Stupid modern medicine labeling everything we just assumed was flaws in a human being
I'm 34 and was diagnosed last month. Yesterday was my first day taking Vyvanse and it feels like I'm seeing color for the first time.
For anybody that thinks that ADHD is just forgetting and fidgeting, like I used to, that's the least of it. The brain doesn't produce as much dopamine, so the older you get, the harder it is to enjoy things or have your brain reward you after completing tasks or having hobbies, causing severe depression in some cases. Had I known this before, I probably wouldn't have struggled for 8 years before getting help.
@Whole Inn Juan, sounds familiar the not feeling or enjoying things. But i wont seek help for i dont want my name on a list. So ill just suffer through it. Helps remind me of reality.
@Whole Inn Juan, yes. Adhd affects ALL areas of life. Especially straining on relationships. It often comes paired with anxiety and depression. However it has many upsides. We’re usually more attentive, very creatively talented, have a high iq, calm in situations others r not. Etc. but if u ever have kids pls be careful in diagnosing them. Being diagnosed with adhd falsely is a problem. Just bc a 2 yr old cant sit still doesnt mean they have adhd.
@Cuactemoc4919, Maybe you can try the herbal route? Pot is a big help for my big sads but there are lots of other herbs and what not that may at least help ease the symptoms
@Nekozombie, i do and it does.
@Cuactemoc4919, I'm glad you have some relief at least friend if you ever need to talk or anything lemmie know okay? Same for anyone else reading this
@Whole Inn Juan, I was diagnosed a year ago and I feel exactly the same at 31. I’ve lived most of my life with anxiety and depression and it wasn’t until I started treating this did I feel a sense of relief and calm
Autism and aspergers litterally just means slightly socially awkward at this point.
@CocoasBro, whenever I'm socially awkward, my wife tells people I have assburgers. It pisses me off so bad...
@CocoasBro, this is one of the reasons why antivaxxers have against vaccines, because the spectrum for autism was changed in the 80s i believe and now encompasses a variety of symptoms and it just coincided with vaccine popularity back then
@ThePandaPool , i can imagine.
@that1german, sorry for the long response.
There is research in progress that shows vaccines do affect AU spectrum kids more than regular kids. BUT THEY HAD THE AUTISM BEFORE THE VACCINE. The theory is that average people can process aluminum in the bloodstream. AU people’s DONT process the aluminum in the vaccine and it deposits in the brain, causing disruption to an already altered brain chemistry. Most AU diagnoses don’t occur until 2 or older...MMR starts at 18 months. So these moms who say,”MY BABY DIDNT HAVE AUTISM UNTIL THE VACCINE”... no- your child always had it. The symptoms became more apparent because their frontal cortex is not developed and have trouble processing how to react to an abnormal stimulus. Will the aluminum eventually be processed? YES. Was it the vaccine? HELL NO. Whatever the thought, it’s nice that it addresses the one main anti-Vax anecdote data
@SchroedingerPussPuss, that's a really interesting theory. You happen to know the site or have a link where I can read about it?
@that1german, yea. It sounds like a stretch to me.
@ThePandaPool , it kinda does. Even though I don't have any degree in human biology, it doesn't make too much sense that something like autism, which only affects mental acuity to my knowledge, should have any reason as to why the body couldn't process aluminum in the immune system compared to a healthy mind. Could be that I'm more misinformed and behind on info than I think, but it still doesn't have much correlation to me.
@that1german, the only info I have that makes this conceivable at all is that aluminum is found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients.
@SchroedingerPussPuss, i question how much the vaccinations in the mothers effects the child though. I was effected very badly to the point of death from vaccinations partly because my mom had problems before I was ever thought of. The mercury, lead and aluminum in the vaccinations of the mother I wonder what effects that has on the kids which then when the kid gets vaccinated would pronounce the problem even more
@CocoasBro, as someone with aspergers I can contest that's completely not true, that's just the stuff outside people see. It usually effects every part of your life in some way with little "quirks". I have to take every label off all my clothes, I once ate just Yorkshire puddings... For a year. Eye contact makes my skin crawl and eating soft foods that are neither solid or liquid like soup makes me instant vomit lol.
Think of it like this, aspie senses are over sensitive and as such all sensory stimuli is overbearing sometimes to the point it feels like being violated. That's when meltdowns happen.
Thank you for reading :) have a nice day
@Kayda, And yet there is a person below this comment thread who thinks living with aspergers is just so wonderful and great for every individual diagnosed with it. Smh. Despite the fact that people with autism or are on the spectrum have way higher rates of suicide. Maybe if you told him about your experiences he would better understand? You can read the conversation and decide for yourself if you want to weigh in or not of course.
But thank you for sharing your personal experience. And i hope you also have a wonderful day 👍
@LaDarkProphet, I have no idea what comment you mean?
@Kayda, Scroll down ^-^
@LaDarkProphet, oh... Yeah I skipped that bit because it started off about crispr but Holy Hell.
Well, to be to the point:
I have aspergers.
I have a top 2% IQ.
I suffer with depression.
Would I give up my aspergers? Probably not. I'd trade my spock/data way of viewing the world logically for the ability to make small talk? No thanks.
Would I have kids? No.
Would I use genetic screening if I did want them? Yes.
Happiness is the only thing that matters in this fleeting blip of a star system existence that our conscious perception hurtles through. To love, be loved, make a difference, do good in this world.
Be excellent to each other :)
@Kayda, Not sure why you said weather or not you would personally give up your disorders for a more "normal" working brain when the conversation was about using modern technology to prevent disorders from manifesting in the first place.
Nor do i understand why you think getting a more "normal" brain would somehow mean you would lose iq? That one really confuses me because while their is a correlation to the spectrum and high iq individuals it by no means causation, and there are plenty of extremely intelligent people without any neurologic or psychological disorders to speak of.
But nevertheless i thank you for your insight, as confusing as it is to me personally, and i 100% agree with most of your closing statement.
Happiness and progress are the only things that truly matter, imo. Overall human happiness and the drive for knowledge should be the sole focus of humanity. I would eagerly sacrifice my happiness and well being for the sake of human progress. Thats just me dough ^-^
@LaDarkProphet, I dunno man, it's hard to express opinions on such a complex topic when it's different for everyone and there's limited space to get views across.
Absolutely 100% agree with you on the last bit! Would happily give my life for the progression of humanity to be kinder to each other and our planet. Or space travel... Obv lol
@Kayda, Space travel ftw! Been watching a ton of space stuff recently, thank you random YouTube recommendations, and its just so fing cool! Ever seen Chris Hadfeild's videos from when he was on the ISS? So cool. Or the videos from Mike Massimino? Great stuff lol
@LaDarkProphet, I'll add them to my list! I did watch the spacex launch, even went out to see if I could see it passing, and I now have the sequen 🦕 haha
In regards to the demons attacking, there’s a reason why exorcisms, albeit exceedingly rare, are still a thing.
@HammerOfHeretics, oh demons are real af, but the crackhead i just dealt with was definitely not actually seeing one
@Medic135, hahaha yeah the man definitely has demons him guiding him to the next crackhouse. Like a damn GPS
Funny they used the name Janice. Janice Joplin had severe depression in a time where the only support was "suck it up" and they wonder why she fell into heroine.
@ThePandaPool , she was trying to follow their advice. They didn't specify what "it" was that she should be sucking up.
"My buddies weren't in a 'depression' after coming back from Vietnam. They didn't have 'trauma,' they just became alcoholics and killed themselves like REAL men!"
Who needs to develop coping skills when you can just carry a card saying you’re weird?
So how does everyone feel about crisper and the thought that we might be able to one day in the near future prevent things like aspergers, autism, and downs syndrome from happening befor the child is born?
@slurpieboy101, I’m not sure I’d want to prevent Asperger’s. It provides a different perspective on life. We are different, not less.
@slurpieboy101, I like it because then I can give my son a giant pp
@AJMalone, no one is saying you are less, I don't know much about Asperger's but the people I know with autism haven't wanted others to live like them. I think their view is interesting but there isn't much that will allow them to fit in so the best we could do is make areas where they feel safe but can't add much to society or share their views.
So I feel preventing people from having autism would be for the better even if we lose out on their viewpoint.
@AJMalone, You dont want to prevent several mental illnesses and disorders because they might give tou a different perspective on life? Thats is easily the dumbest, most self centered and selfish idea i have ever heard! You can tolerate even thrive with your condition? Great! Good for you! What about the thousands of others who would rather just be "normal" whatever that means?
I am seriously struggling to process the monumental selfish stupidity i just read. You would allow children to either be born with or develop mental problems simply because you find the "different perspective" on life advantageous? Thats like saying you enjoy alzheimers because you get to meet new people every day!
With each passing year we are getting more and more advanced with medical technology and understanding of human biology. Soon enough it will be 100% possible, even easy, to give birth to children with 0 risk of birth defects, either mental or physical. And you would throw that away? (TBC)
@AJMalone, You would seriously rather allow people to be born with problems then to be born without them? That mentality absolutely boggles my mind. Its... Fvck! Im so irritated i cant even form my thoughts properly!
It would be immoral and negligent to allow a child to be born with defects if we could have prevented it otherwise! Blind people can have an amazing "perspective" on life and about life as well and even develop some extraordinary abilities, should we let children be born blind if we could otherwise prevent it?! Just... what a bowl of fvck! Sheer and utter ignorance is what it is! (FIN)
@slurpieboy101, I have aspergers. And I've specifically chosen to never have biological children of my own. Because I never want to see them struggle the way I have. It would break my heart
For all of you dicks saying that not removing autism would be "selfish" that's not your choice to make. You cannot remove a huge part of a person without experiencing it yourself. Figures in history on the spectrum: guy who invented pokémon, Newton, Einstein, Mozart... probably. Huge giants in the advancement of our world. What if they had ordinary, little human brains like yours?
Sorry that got a little too personal.
@Paranoidica, it's not that we have a hard time interacting with society, its that society has a hard time interacting with us.
@Paranoidica, thank you. I wasn’t trying to imply that no defects should be removed but the minor ones can be dealt with. Many people with Aspergers live happy and fulfilling lives as long as they find the right help and deal with it the right way.
@LaDarkProphet, minor issues like Aspergers can be dealt with. Major issues like dementia and schizophrenia need to be fixed. If you actually read the comment I believe I said I would not prevent Aspergers. What I did not say is that I would not prevent all disorders.
@Paranoidica, But we arnt talking about a person. We are talking about a child either being BORN WITH A MENTAL DEFECT or not being born with one. Its that simple. Ultimately, it would be up to the parents to make that decision. But in my honest, blunt and straightforward opinion? It would be negligence and child endangerment to willfully allow a child to be born with what would hypothetically be easily preventable. Its just as bad, actually worse imo, then not giving them vaccinations. Its the same mentality. Absolute mong.
And so what if some astronomically people MIGHT have had social disorders? Newton died a virgin and belived in Alchemy. Einstein struggled with depression his whole life and married his cousin. Tesla was romantically in love with a pigeon and died alone, miserable and broke. What you are ignorantly and arrogantly suggesting is that human suffering is ok so long at progress is made. And that is outright immoral in my book. (TBC)
Furthermore, you are making it sound as if extraordinarily intelligent people have never achieved great accomplishments on their own! That you somehow have to have some mental defect to be intelligent? What an absolute load of hogwash! Plenty of people are very intelligent AND dont have mental and or social disorders. It is sheer ignorance to think you need to have a mental defect to be intelligent or creative. And! You have absolutely no proof that any of those people "were on the spectrum" because we have no way of diagnosing them. We can assume and theorize but that is not proof. Absolutely monstrous. (FIN)
@LaDarkProphet, I often forget how futile it is arguing online. I'm right, you're right. I'm wrong, you're wrong. It's meaningless.
I want you to pay very close attention to this next sentence, read it twice if you have to.
A DISORDER IS A DISORDER IS A DISORDER NO MATTER HOW YOU PERSONALLY FELL ABOUT OR EXPERIENCE IT YOURSELF. Get the picture? I do not care how "great" your life is living with whatever you were diagnosed with. I do not care how "enriching and unique" it is. I care about the bottom line you immoral nitwit. A disorder is a disorder. Period. End of discussion. No matter how benign or even beneficial YOU think it is or might be. Because guess what sunshine? World dont revolve around you. There are PLENTY of people who are on the spectrum who hate their disorder and wish they were normal. Suicide rates among people who are on the spectrum are drastically higher then "us normies".
Now, i was thankfully blessed with a pretty normal brain and mental faculties. But if that many people are at risk of and commit suicide then maybe, just maybe, it aint all sunshine and rainbows eh? (TBC)
Like i said before. If you can live, even thrive, with your condition then great! Wonderful even! That is an amazing and wonderful personal accomplishment. It really is. But you said it yourself that "...as long as they find the right help and deal with it the right way." Think everyone on the spectrum is that lucky? Think everyone has a wonderful support system to fall back on? The high suicide rates in spectrum individuals would suggest otherwise.
And to even remotely think of allowing a child to be born with a mental disorder, any disorder physical or mental, no matter how "benign or beneficial" you think it is or might be, is 100% immoral and would qualify as child endangerment and negligence in my book. Absolutely monstrous. (FIN)
@Paranoidica, It is futile arguing with someone who has the same mentality as an anti- vax karen. No matter how logical, rational or fact based your argument is they are just going to ignore it. Smh.
This is indeed meaningless. But that doesnt mean i am going to stand idly by while people talk about potentially/hypothetically allowing children to be purposefully born with mental disorders. I agree that arguing is pointless. But that doesn't mean i wont say my peice so that other people can read this and draw their own conclusions.
@LaDarkProphet, get help for your anger issues. Quickly. It sounds as though you might have severe depression being “normal”.
@AJMalone, O im sorry, are you a certified psychologist? Perhaps a medical doctor? No? Didn't think so.
For your information cupcake, ive never had the misfortune of having ever been depressed before. Thankfully. And I am pissed because you are advocating for CHILDREN TO WILFULLY BE BORN WITH MENTAL DISORDERS. I get just as pissed off when i read about anti-vax karens.
I love science, especially medical science and technology. I even want to be a Paramedic because i want to help save lifes. What you are theoretically suggesting is that we would purposefully allow actual children to be born with mental disorders for whatever sick and twisted reason you justify.
It is absolutely barbaric. That sort of mentality that is. As stated before, to me it is the same negligent stupidity as an anti-vax Karen's way of thinking.
So. No. Im not "depressed". Being angry doesnt mean you have depression you uneducated neanderthal. It does mean however that i care a lot about the conversation FIN
@LaDarkProphet, I can’t seem to get it through to you that not all disorders are the same. Any given disorder should be dealt with on its own merits and each person dealt with as an individual. No, I’m not advocating being born with a disorder but rather to deal as best we can, like counseling, on an individual basis rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. What works for one won’t necessarily work for someone else. And no I’m not a medical doctor or counselor but I will seek the advice of one when I need to. Thank you for your time and good luck becoming a medic.
@LaDarkProphet, also keep in mind that as a paramedic there is a chance, however slim, that your patient might have a mental disorder and might not realize you are trying to help and will possibly resist. Do your absolute best to save that one life because you will be the help they need. A medic can’t save everyone but to the one saved the first responder means the world.
@AJMalone, Are you messing with me or did you genuinely forget what started this debacle?
Op asked how people felt about using CRISPR CAS9 and similar methods to prevent things like aspergers, down syndrome, austim and any and all other disorders neurological or otherwise. Now maybe you dont pay attention to the cutting edge of genetics. But what op is asking, and what the technology would easily be able to do, is weather or not we should remove disorders from the equation all together. As in use the supposed technology to make it outright impossible for children to be born with disorders on the genetic level. Laymans terms it means giving birth to literal perfectly healthy children.
And you said, "Im not sure i'd want to prevent Asperger's. It provides a different perspective on life."
We are not talking about treating a particular disease/disorder, which of fvcking course depends on a case by case basis, but on preventing the chances of someone being born that way to begin with(TBC)
And you literally went on and advocated it WAS better for people to be born with a disorder. That is literal what you ignorantly typed out! "IM NOT SURE I'D WANT TO PREVENT" means you would rather NOT prevent people from being born with disorders you absolute mongoloid.
And how insulting can a person get? Do you think im to stupid to think that i might have to deal with people with all sorts of disorders on a daily basis? You realize we train precisely for those situations? Holy bowl of fvck you are astronomically ignorant. Do you have any fvcking clue what paramedics do? Im genuinely curious. You dont think we have contingency plans for just such a situation? Next why dont you tell me i might have to treat someone with a viral disease! Or a racist! I am beyond baffled by your "also keep in mind" post. And insulted you think im that stupid. (FIN)
@LaDarkProphet, you’ve made your point of view quite clear. Thank you.
@LaDarkProphet, now that that show is over let’s get back to the funny pics.
@LaDarkProphet, btw, in all honesty, I do realize paramedics have a tough job and you train for a lot of contingencies. It's a highly specialized job that requires a lot of time, energy and patience. It takes someone who genuinely cares about people to do that so I would like to thank you for doing it.
@AJMalone, O... well um thank you for that ☺️ Genuinely and sincerely. Im not a paramedic yet, was going to school for it when the pandemic hit so im waiting for my college to open back up, but its what ive deemed was the best way for me to give at least something to humanity. I know to most people its not much, and chances are high ill potentially save the life of a serial killer, or a racist, or a junkie or even maybe the next Hitler, but chances are way higher that i will stastically save more innocent lifes then i will save the not so innocent.
So that is what I have... schizophrenia
Someone is gonna misinterpret what im about to say and rage about it but whatever, fvck them in advance. ADHD and Autism, although very real, are extremely overdiagnosed to drug hyper kids and not teach them any skills or manners
Sort of like prescribing boys retalin for acting like boys?
Every slight nuance to people doesn't require a diagnosis.
My dad grew up with tourette's, they didn't know much about it and the doctors wanted to test on him Alot to learn more but some of it could have had negative effects on him so my grandma refused, but not alot of people knew what was it was or understood it so he experienced a lot of bullying in school