If you're not a woman in the game industry then you don't know whether or not women experience sexism in the game industry.
If you're not involved with the game industry period then you probably don't know anything about the game industry or the various social issues associated with it.
@SimonPetrikov, yes i do corporations are hives of intersectionality and general progressive idealogies. So i can say with almost absolute certainty she hasnt experienced "sexism" or at the very least the "sexism" she experienced isnt how a normal person would think of sexism.
@CocoasBro, I mean a uncharted story writer that was female was kicked out because she didn't want to make 4 the female balck woman the most op plot point in the story
@Killing instincts , and thats how a minority, racist, authoritarian idealogy takes hold of a nation. Get into positions of power fire anyone who doesnt bend the knee, proceed to taint everything with the idealogy. If said corporation goes under whatever its an enemy that was defeated if it succeeds all the better for the idealogy.
@CocoasBro, Riot Games just settled a class action lawsuit over discrimination, sexism, and harassment. This same company that was exposed for balltapping/crotch grabbing, people farting on others, sending pics of their genitalia to female coworkers, few female employees by attractiveness, and other stupid shjt.
@CocoasBro, are you trying to argue that sexism doesnt exist in corporate America? Cause it definitely does I'm a BME major there are women who are more qualified than me and I'll get the job. I've also had girls that are friends talk to me about certain douches who no longer work at the place i interned grope them and send them inappropriate messages. Just saying corporate america tries to pander to liberals for sure because it's the largest growing market but they certainly have employees that are sexual predators and that's just statistically speaking. the amount of hate for "gamer girls" is real a lot of people I know even believe girls like video games like guys do. I certainly believe they arent exposed to the same things early that develop the love guys have for violent video games at the same ratio in the population guys have experienced but that's just exposure.
also that was just one of three points the pic made.
I guess answer the question from the first commenter do you work in gaming? do you even work in a large corporation? I mean billion dollar that's to busy to monitor employees?
Your second comment makes me think this might just be a drunken rambling only because your arguments often are way better and bring up facts. No judgement on that been there done that but I'm gonna say to you that you definitely don't know about sexism in corporations and it doesnt happen just in the US but I know you live here and claim to be 23 so ya this may not be your conversation as the original comment said.
and no I am not talking about the wage gap I also think that at the least its overstated and realistically probably doesnt exist.
@CocoasBro, tldr is ok but damn man this ain't your best.
@SkizleDNizleS, and google and twitter have been caught saying allow hate speech as long as its against white people. Along with alot of other project veritas sting operations prooving Regressive biases.
Also key word settled just because you have an anecdote of a handful of employees being sexist doesnt proove a systemic problem in game companies.
@Runnin with scissors, yeah your anecdotes does not an argument make. Considering how far left you are im sure thats what you would see. People like you would be tell me you only got your position because of white privilege and how you should give it up to poc. Youll go on about your ingrained sexism. In other words i dont trust what you have to tell me because its viewed through a far left identitarian lense.
@Runnin with scissors, let me put it another way. Its not like i dont believe individual examples of sexism doesnt happen. In fact i believe you when you tell me socially awkward nerds dont have the most graceful way with woman. What i dont believe is that any corporation has a "systemic" problem with sexism against woman. I dont believe that the problem is within the institutions themselves. Liberals like to put the word " systemic" in front of words as sentence enhancers without knowing what the word actrually means.
@CocoasBro, im really not far left but I certainly lean that way mostly for environmental issues. lol I would never argue that white privilege removes your ability to have an opinion about racial issues or should influence me or you enough to make bad decisions based on race. I think it exists but not in such a significant way that most people even realize they are being treated differently.
You didnt answer any of my questions and just made a bunch of claims about me, an online personality who you have never met.
You really remind myself of when I comment and am belligerently drunk or at the very least too angry to think clearly.
Having an open mind is important from all sides it's why I love John McCain believe it or not.
I will say this to you insults and lacking responses to simple questions makes you look uninformed and lacking in critical thinking. Take that how you will or answer my questions and we'll have a conversation.
@Runnin with scissors, okay if your not far left then tell me your oppinion on white privledge.
@CocoasBro, I know what systemic means. You dont have any right or reason to try to talk down to me just so you know. I never said socially awkward nerds and it's not a lack of grace.
There are corporations/industries/universities that have fostered systemic racism and sexism. Not all or even most but some. Saying it doesnt exist is kinda like saying that you know how the inner workings of every currently operating business in the US maybe even the world. You sound dumb and you usually dont which is why I will ask again you drunk?
@CocoasBro, I just did tell you my opinion on white privilege in the comment you responded to... Now I have to ask, can you even read your phone right now?
@Runnin with scissors, oh so you did my bad. Anyway i think that makes you a racist. And im not trying to talk down to you.
@CocoasBro, haha well you certainly have been talking down to me with your claims about me that sounded like you believed them to be factual. Also now your are calling me a racist. Hmmm. I'm happy that's only your opinion this time instead of you claiming something to be true without anything to back it. Well I've answered enough of your comments to feel I deserve answers to my initial line of questioning above. Care to do so?
@Runnin with scissors, do i believe individuals can be sexist. Yes. Do i see that as a systemic probelm? No. It is only systemic when it is written into the rules.... for the most part. Very rarely you can get a conspiracy a wink wink nudge nudge but thats not really worth talking about.
@CocoasBro, are you 23 really? Have you worked in gaming? Have you worked for a billion dollar corporation?
Just those three. Be honest or at least provide informational background.
I interned with steen research a small rendering company personellwise but controls around 1/3 of the chemical market. They currently are exclusive to darling but will soon have a new organic fertilizer production process that has already had millions of dollars in investment. I'm hoping to be in an applied economic and finance graduate program next year under Carlos dobkin a fantastic researcher and statistician.
I'll be 26 on August 27th.
@CocoasBro, still no answer. To any of my questions I'm very disappointed in you. I dont think your wink wink nudge nudge is worth talking about here because I'd argue all parties have been involved except trump wink wink nudge nudge.
@Runnin with scissors, no but ive seen alot of evidence about their biases.
Also i dont trust your oppinion as you look at things through the racist/sexist intersectionality lense. That blinds you.
@Runnin with scissors, yeah i dont care if a racist is disappointed in me.
@CocoasBro, wow you make a lot of claims about me. Meanwhile I just want an answer to 3-4 questions.
3rd times the charm eh?
Are you 23? Have you worked in gaming? Have you ever worked for a billion dollar corporation?
If the last comment starting with "no" was you answer to them all then damn, but if "I've seen a lot of evidence about their biases" is also your response then wow I'm surprised you arent more like 16 with that lack of experience haha.
@CocoasBro, call me what you will but that doesnt mean you've answered my questions. Trying to ask questions here that are simple to answer but you won't.
Also the reason I'm not taking offense to you calling me racist is because i cant even take you seriously right now lol. I certainly am not racist at least in my mind and many of my conservative and liberal friends. You seriously seem drunk. I've had way better arguments with you before that dont result to name calling.
@CocoasBro, I'll leave you with this cause I'm crashing and I tend to get more ranty.
Answer my questions like i did yours or forever be an ignorant racist pussy.
(You started it and hey you won't be if you answer them)
@Runnin with scissors, i mean you admited to judging people by their race. Its not a claim. Also btw congrats on the job.
@CocoasBro, gawd I gotta respond one last time because 3x asking the same questions and hoping you'd respond didnt work.
Answer my damn questions.
I do believe white privilege exists to some degree but I also think every race has the capacity and tendency to be racist. Its conversations and exposure that grant understanding. I do think white people have had it better in the US historically and some people are still alive from separate but equal times. People pass on antiquated views kinda like if you grow up with Christian's you're christian more than likely. I'm not calling You racist (until the last comment but that was hoping you'd just answer my questions. Kinda like you gay if you dont respond). Jesus this started with sexism but you are really down to be critical of others without asking or answering any questions. I actually hope you are drunk right now because like I said before this is disappointing. Answer the mofu questions.
@CocoasBro, your association with google and twitter, which isnt morally right either, doesn't mean anything to the topic at hand. It doesn't prove a systemic problem, but lends credence to the idea that it isnt impossible for it to happen
@CocoasBro, I get you're trying to not give him ammunition, but ignoring all his questions really implies you probably don't have good answers to any of them.
Anecdote: I'm a software dev, and in my experience there is a systemic problem in small startups (where I have the most experience), and I'm talking really small, like 5-15 people. With companies that small, there's usually just the CEO or a small group of founders, and no HR department. The majority of developers of men, so many companies don't have any women for stretches of time. When one is hired, theres no one to stop of discourage leadership from harassing them. I've seen CTOs and CEOs taking covert pictures of female employees, asking them out during work, f*cking them at work parties and firing ones that reject them. One such companies had more than 100% turnover for the women in the 8 months I worked there, while not a single man left. There's no one to keep these people accountable so they keep doing it for "fun".
@CJWJ, ran out of characters but to clarify I'm not in game dev but pretty adjacent.
These small companies create a general culture that people on top can treat their employees however they want, encouraging sexual harassment.
I can't comment on the larger companies but I imagine some of their problems might be inherited from people that switched from these small companies.
@CJWJ, so your saying you joined a company with rules written in place that discriminate against women. If not then its not systemic.
@SkizleDNizleS, its an anecdote aswell. But towards my point that corporations are intersectionaly biased.
@Runnin with scissors, yeah thats a judgement based on a persons skin color. Thats racism.
And i thought i answered all your questions.
@CocoasBro, unless your answer to all three was "no" which doesnt make much sense, no you didnt.
How is that judgement I think you are confusing judgement with acknowledgement. Please reread my last comment. You seem like you are someone feeling attacked.
I still want my answers though and I've been waiting awhile. So whatever order you prefer.
@Runnin with scissors, you admited to believeing in white privilege. Unless you have severely misunderstood what white privilege is then you are without a doubt admitting to being racist.
Inherent advantages possessed by a white person on the basis of their race in a society characterized by racial inequality.
So yes you are making character judgements based on race if you believe in white privilege.
Yes i have answered your questions multiple times. Since your incapable of reading ill do it again. It does not matter if i have experience in these fields or not because the evidence is overwhelming. And it shows a far left racial identitarian bias. In fact ill start spaming you links incontrovertible evidence of said overwhelming bias.
@Runnin with scissors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?b=4JsnKursVpU
@Runnin with scissors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0
@Runnin with scissors, i can litterally go all day. Let me know if you need any more overwhelming proof. Of course even all this wont be enough to convince you because you're so married to the idea of being a liberal you will become the very thing you would have claimed to hate in order to apply that label to yourself.
@CocoasBro, lol spam your links all you want its youtube links. I'm laughing my ass off over here at your "irrefutable" links that are on a site known to allow almost any content with tons of lies.
Give me a .Gov or .edu source otherwise I wont bother or didnt you learn to expect fake news? Lol I really am laughing. You still didnt answer my questions. Experience does matter so you're not just talking out your ass.
The best argument for why I think white privilege exists, and I didnt before, is have you had the talk? Not the sex talk but the talk that most minorities in this country give their kids about having people out there that hate you because of your skin and cops might treat you different. It's not like I think white privilege is prevalent really but denying it exists is way more racist than acknowledging that we still had separate but equal in many of the current american lifetimes. Those same people protested against integration, which heyo, is racist.
@CocoasBro, seriously give me any .edu or .Gov source thats how you'll win an argument otherwise you might as well send me alex Jones telling me the frogs are gay.
Watch the alt right doc on netflix it's kinda neutral because you can take what you want from it.
However I will say you a big ol racist haha I've lost all respect for you now. I'm gonna make fun of you a lot. But in cleverer ways than you'll be able to respond without getting downvoted like you have been here.
@CocoasBro, .Gov or .edu is like high school basics btw. As a great meme says you have no power here.
If you spammed those I would change my mind. What you sent isnt worth my time. I'll check in tomorrow if you'd like to share something with data rather than an opinion.
@Runnin with scissors, the links proove a left wing bias. Thats all theyre meant to do. They do that pretty spectaculary considering they are from said corporations. Not sure how you didnt understand that but i also dont understand how you think judging/ making assumptions about an entire race isnt racist.
@Runnin with scissors, also what is a .gov or a
Edu gonna tell you that the corporations own advertisements and words directly from the lips of the head of the companies wont?
@CocoasBro, I really dont give a fvck about what corporations say or who they cater too its money for them. It's how they actually act internally which there are studies about, or did you not know that? Did you know the largest wealth and growing demographic is the left? Now as a company that relies on money who do you side with. Are you even high school educated like oh my god you got the big dumb and nothing to back it up with.
@CocoasBro, holy shjt you are actually uneducated. A .gov or .edu is any peer reviewed and factual document based on a study or extensive data that can be used to prove something. You may as well be sending me wikipedia links otherwise. No .coms no .orgs..
@Runnin with scissors, corporations : this is how we act this is what we believe here is evidence that we conform to these values.
You: pfft thats not proof of anything.
@CocoasBro, only because it's their own studies not a third party that will lose everything if they arent 100% truthful. corporations have pated themselves on the back for hiring 1 female employee. lol actually I'm done here you actually seem too stupid and racist too be someone that will ever make any kind of impact in society so why should I bother trying to change your mind? Haha good luck I'll just finish my masters in applied economics and move onto an MBA program and argue with those that have a brain. Good luck.
@Runnin with scissors, peer reviewed doesnt mean sh!t. Theres a peer reviewed paper on how dogs humping in the park is an example of toxic masculinity, and another peer reviewed paper which is litterally mien kampf rewritten.
@Runnin with scissors, cant understand that discrimination based on skin pigment is bad but you totally have a masters in economics lol.
@CocoasBro, I dont yet working at it though. you really cant read can you?is that why you sent youtube links? peer review can mean less but .Gov sources are supremely accurate and .edu sources stake the reputation of the college on it being accurate. basically it's like you'd be saying you're smarter than the harvards professors to refute a statement published by them. good luck with that haha.
@Runnin with scissors, theres no reasoning with you. But hey do me a favor. When you get into a position of power after graduating dont use it to discriminate based on race. Thats not cool.
@CocoasBro, I never would but I will try to make improvements on racial equality to make everyone feel equal and accepted in a country that wants to be based in freedom. Or I'll just move to germany.
@CocoasBro, lol "reasoning"
@Runnin with scissors, "i would try to make improvements on racial equality" i bet that means preferencial hiring based on race in your mind right? But you're not racist. Genuinely curious how do you justify that in your head.
@SimonPetrikov, exactly. It’s impossible to know about something unless your immutable genetic characteristics match those of the people it’s happening to. Impossible to know. Can’t understand. Don’t try. Empathy isn’t real.
Im a guy thats been in the games industry for only 2 years so I dont have any firsthand knowledge on the first issue but the next two are too real
The wage gap is a myth
@Rudolph Schmidt , but... but it doesn’t say the wage gap was a problem??
@The nOly One, DID I STUTTER??
@The nOly One, But really when many people talk about sexism in a workplace they're probably referencing the old wives tale that there is a wage gap which every woman seems to believe for some reason.
@Rudolph Schmidt , I am no man to back the wage gap myth, but sexism claims in the video games industry (from my understanding) is more men saying women know/understand/are less qualified because of being a woman. Not saying that is true either but its a more reasonable and harder to factually check grievance
@Rudolph Schmidt , the thigh gap is real
@Rudolph Schmidt , my dick is a myth
@Rudolph Schmidt , I'm a developer, not in the game industry, but I've seen some pretty blatant non pay related sexism at work, like the boss taking covert pictures of female employees, asking them out on dates at work, f*cking his employees at work party's (and firing ones that rejected him), etc. Small startups especially can be very hard for women since there's no HR and people (especially bosses) can get away with pretty much anything.
I offered to help back any of my coworkers if they wanted to press charges or take any action against the guy, but they all said no since they'd rather just try and keep their head down and move on.
@CJWJ, I’ve heard similar stories about SAP Canada/USA
@Rudolph Schmidt , says the man
@Orlandude, Y so sexist? Offended by facts?
@Rudolph Schmidt , backed by what?
@Orlandude, You're trying to say there is a wage gap yet it's a fact that you can't give me one study that shows this is true. There is a study saying that men make more than women on average yeah. But people literally think that a man and woman who work the same job and same hours wont get paid the same. There is no true wage gap. You're the only sexist one here. What if I said your opinion is invalid due to being a woman?
@Rudolph Schmidt , you can't say that my opinion is invalid due to being a woman, because I am not a woman.
Also, here are some real studios on it by a simple Google search. It's very much real.
Luckily though, it is closing and getting better so, I hope that one day you could in fact call out that it is not a thing anymore.
@Orlandude, All those literally say what I just said. Men make more on average than women but that's not a wage gap. More men become doctors and lawyers and scientists than women do. So they tend to make more. A wage gap would be the myth that "women make 77 cents per dollar a man makes" which is totally false. If a man and woman work the same job and the same hours they make the same. That's how it should be and how it is. Just because more men have higher paying jobs and there are more stay at home moms than dad doesn't mean the workforce is sexist. In fact women have more legally given rights than men. That's a fact.
Sexism means she walked in and they ddidnt immediately put her into a ceo position.
@CocoasBro, no, sexism probably means they treated her as if she knew less about video games because she was a women. I obviously am not going to say its true or not, or whether it was based on her gender, but it likely didn’t have to do with her pay or title
@The nOly One, press x to doubt.
@CocoasBro, I’m just saying what women’s claims are about the industry, not saying its factually true or not
@The nOly One, i know
@CocoasBro, working in IT they hire women to higher positions and they can't handle anything without tons of help from other people or needing deadlines extended.
@CrazyRightWinger, wtf? Are you arguing from your limited experience women in general are less capable of solving problems or completing projects in technology based fields than men?
it sounds similar to saying black people have less developed brains than white people and therefore should be designated more to manual labor. and no I'm not saying you're a racist or that's true about you but it's a decent parallel.
@Runnin with scissors, I don't think he's right, but I think your comparison is going pretty overboard. Even though he does seem to be implying women are less capable, he never said they should be "designated" to do other jobs. I think he's suggesting they get promoted to management too early to fill diversity quotas. Not saying it's true or right, just how I interpreted him.
Also in my experience most IT managers need a lot of help from people (it kind of what being a manager is implies) and deadlines are often extended for any number of reasons, not always incompetence
@Runnin with scissors, we have a lot of black guys on our team and they do a great job because they were hired on their resume and experience.