The fly had the higher ground
@dogenstein, Pence did an awesome job, Kamala just came off bitter and condescending... like most liberals
@Rowsdower, he really did. He made me want to be a white supremacist too.... like most conservatives
@LeShook, Lmao good one. Last I checked white supremacy hasn’t been a real issue since the 1800’s. The ones burning down our cities are BLM and pussies
@Rowsdower, well literally 4 days ago the US department of homeland security warned that the most persistent and lethal threat is violent white supremacists. That was in their official report on dhs.gov. So a bit more recent than the 1800:
@LeShook, most of BLM is white. They believe that they are superior to minorities. That's the reason they're helping them. It's the white savior complex with a bat.
They burn black owned businesses because they think a work ethic was made by white people.
That's in "white fragility" a book made by a person that proclaimed themselves to be racist i.e.
"I do not feel comfortable around black people."- white fragility
Level of racism.
So a large group of white people terrorizing black people, because whitie knows what's best.
If that's not white supremacy, then I don't know what is.
@That one lurker, I think you’re believing too much of what you’re reading from one news source... and reading a lot into it at that. I’d check multiple sources if I were you. I think you’re treading into conspiracy theory territory. Do you know why Ghandi did what he did and why it worked. Because many white people have these Christian beliefs that tell them to treat others with love and respect and to disdain human suffering. That’s another possible reason why so many white people join BLM
@LeShook, why do you automatically assume he didn’t do any research? Your types are the most ignorant I’ve ever witnessed
@LeShook, would you like to tell me what's a conspiracy theory out of what I said?
On your Ghandi quote.
No. Ghandi understood we have checks and balances. We're centralized in a judeo-christian belief but he knew we needed to be justified in our reaction. So his nonviolent revolution could only occur because the english don't like to be viewed as monsters.
Lastly BLM is ran and made by marxists. Marxism is the parent belief of communism and fascism. All three are fervently atheistic in foundations.
Where I could agree that people that know nothing is flocking towards the banner, if suggest that most of them are leftist edge boys that don't understand what's going on.
A communist "useful idiot" as it were.
@That one lurker, This. This is why I think you’re reading too many conspiracy theories.
Try PolitiFact. Try AllSides. Try ABC news. Please. Or just stop reading whatever you’re reading. It’s blunting Occam’s Razor.
Yes one of the original founders self-describes as a Marxist. One person out of many doesn’t make them all marxists. They founded because a white guy stalked, confronted, and eventually murdered a black guy and then was acquitted. They didn’t get founded because capitalism puts power in the hands of the few (although if we’re being honest it totally does). And if you notice a pattern, BLM comes out every time another black person is murdered by a white person; usually a white police officer. And that’s something we teach is most schools as bad, so maybe a bunch of white people join the movement to protest murder and not because they’re being duped by a communist plot. So maybe be open to the idea that people join because they dislike the murder of black people
@LeShook, to be non-confrontational, in reference to your ending statement, I'll let your implication slide. I believe all black lives matter, just as I believe that every life matters.
I do read bevy of papers, all the way from PolitiFact, Huffpo, CNN, ABC, CBS, News Week, and the Daily Wire. I've proudly no lifed politics for the past four years and cut my teeth on a fanatical Young Turks fan. And throu out all of that time I have never heard the story that you're alleging. Are you talking about Zuckerman or Trayvon Martin? Cause regardless of which neither of those match your description. BLM formed after the Trayvon Martin case, where a black man allegedly called out "hands up don't shoot" this caught a media firestorm even though it was quoted from one eyewitness out of seven and the other six refute his claim. In fact the man that brought it up was trayvon's friend. This is the start of BLM.
The start of the movement I agree with you, the leadership was marxists but the...
@LeShook, movement was a dissertation of grievance. The people of the movement was true believers and worked off their aggression with actual peaceful protesting and violent altercations.
What I'm inferring to is the revival of BLM over Brown case. Where video emerged of a man dying with an knee on his neck. This stoked racial fears and brought back BLM like a fücken phoenix garnering them more support then their previous iteration. It came out some time later that the brown case was over blown, but we can talk about that later.
BLM as a top down organized group got infiltrated by antifa. Antifa is a subversive organization of cells that act independently till called on. Taking military and Insurgency techniques from the mohideen they work to mask their movements like a terror cell. They joined and took over BLM by no longer waving antifa banners, but instead of waving BLM banners. That is all they had to do...
@LeShook, so, antifa for being a coalition of insurrectionists marxist, leninist, and communists. Using fascistic tactics to scare and terrorize support, using BLM as a mask to look peaceful to normal people.
If I gotten any of this wrong, or if you find my methodology to still be a conspiracy theory. Could you instead of just saying conspiracy theory, describe to me how it is a conspiracy theory.
Saying it is just a conspiracy theory is a defensive mechanism to not understand the question.
Has BLM called for the abolishment of policing, capitalism, and the nuclear family.
They have removed it from their mission plan after three months of it being up.
Are all white people running around with BLM White supremacists.
No one would state that.
Are some white supremacist.
To understand this you need to know what white supremacist think.
My question to you, since the majority of this thread has been to me explaining my rationale...
@LeShook, Do you know what the white supremacist want? As in, as in there're full manifesto.
p.s. sorry for the long post. I don't expect for you to answer any time soon and I hope you have a great day or night. Even if you inferred that I hated black people. I think my response speaks for itself.
@That one lurker, it’s disappointing that you read so much but still agree with the articles that contain so little truth. And you write beautifully but say such nonsense it makes me sad. For everyone.
I referenced Occam’s razor before because it applies to your methodology. You take in a world of information and rather than believe the simplest explanations you grab the ones that fit the view you already started with, even if it’s a convoluted explanation and it’s not supported by the majority of sources you cited in your reading. And seriously if you buy into the belief that BLM is a Marxist movement or white supremacy died in the 1800s it doesn’t matter how much you’re reading. You’re only believing a very select subset of that. Remember what I said before about the US department of homeland security citing white supremacists, NOT antifa, as the #1 threat to the US in their 2020 report? That’s fact. If you’re reading something that says antifa is worse, maybe consider it’s wrong
@LeShook, no, no. You're misreading me. I'm agreeing with both you and the statistics. I'm only saying why they are true. You can disagree with me about my assessment but you can't like two disjointed conversations together. If I believed what he believed I would have repeated it, which isn't even coherent to the argument that I am making.
The Department of Homeland Security sights white supremacy has the number one threat to the US.
I said it from the beginning. We disagree on the definition of what is white supremacy. My definition is "to hold one's race and skin color superior to that of others." Some people take it a step further and declare to have something to do with culture, I disagree with the culture. Any person regardless of skin can become part of another culture.
The people who conflate race and culture together are the "far right, neo Nazis". They hold the same beliefs as antifa, the key difference is conscience.
I am Superior there for...
They start from the same pl
@LeShook, to just put plainly if you want the most narrowed result.
People made a decision to come together.
The group that came together was made up of people.
Some of those people thought a thing.
When that group gained momentum
A separate group joined in the first.
The people that were like-minded accepted them and defended them
Now there's more of those people.
They are allowed vocal minority in the group
And the larger group are unaware of why that group is yelling, so they yell to.
If I say there is a rotten apple in the bunch, and all you can see is good apples. Would you call me a liar, or come look at this side of the apples.
That and how much do you understand about the five red "isms" i.e. marxism, communism, leninism, fascism, and socialism?
Man really said systemic racism isn’t real and all people look at is a fly
@ThatRussianDance, the right dont listen to anything to protect their sh!tty 2016 choice to protect their ego
@CellSword, I mean everyone on the right I know is pretty happy with the choice and is making it again this year
@ThatRussianDance, because it isnt.... can you name one law that only effects black people?
@Nekozombie, you didn't get my point, you have to ignore everything trump has done to be happy with that choice. Most of my conservative friends have no idea about any of the messed up stuff hes done because either a: fox doesn't report it, b: they ignore all news, c: fox put their spin on it, d: they excuse it by performing mental gymnastics. I would agree with you but I can't get anyone on the right to admit ANYTHING he's done has been selfish or bad for the country as a whole. Thats called blind to political bias. Yes the left has those too but my current attention is on the sitting president because we are supposed to question those in power. I did so with Obama too.
@CocoasBro, define systemic racism
@CellSword, i just don’t want kamala harris to strip my freedoms clean
@CocoasBro, it’s more about unequal enforcement of laws, implicit bias, our racist history that has prevented BIPOC from accumulating wealth, etc
There’s a whole wiki page on it, and US is the first example. Educate yourself please.
@CellSword, its a buzzword that means something different to everyone who uses it.
I would use it as racism inherent in the system as it implies and by system it would be in the government system. So rules that are based on race with the intent of uplifting one race over others or pushing one or more races down in favor of other races. Laws, or policies inside the legal system etc.
@SmartFeller, So youre saying theres a grand unwritten conspiracy against other races.... sounds familiar.... almost like a certain jewish question people on the far right propose.
@CocoasBro, so you’re saying that you’re right because you use a different definition of “systemic racism” than other people. With that in mind, let’s use a real definition instead of a “buzzword”. Do you acknowledge that, in the U.S., there is “collective failure of organization[s] to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin”? This is a definition of systemic racism given by the MacPherson Report (which is worth looking up, btw).
@ThatRussianDance, which cities experience systematic racism the most? And who helped shape that system? Baltimore has been run by democrats in nearly every government position for decades. Shouldn’t they be fixing this system of racism then? Or do they keep a system that benefits the politicians that govern the city? They want your votes not your opinions and they definitely don’t care to solve your problems.
@Kyroll, define appropriate service. Also it sounds like youre agreeing with me that were talking about the government here, but youre not specifying which organizations failed who, how they failed, etc. Also who is MacPherson and why does he hold the power to define this? Hes not oxford?
@Kyroll, that definition is horrible it gives no more new information on the word than the word itself.
@CocoasBro, look up redlining. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20and,the%20selective%20raising%20of%20prices. Its a practice that went until the 1970s. Its result is that predominantly minority sections of cities are poorer. As a result schools receive less funding from taxes. Meaning worse teachers and conditions. Worse education. And a constant spiral of worse conditions
@ThatRussianDance, it’s true! asian and indian people out earn other races by a big portion! they must be riding the wave of systemic racism in their favor!
@colt1245, your example is from the 1970s? You couldnt find an example with the last half century? Also lets assume that its true thats not evidence of racism. Let alone within the system if at the time schools were funded within the local area and thats what the local area could afford i dont see any racism in that scenario. Racism is an intent not disparity.
@CocoasBro, but you just kind of nullified your own point, you said its different to everyone who uses it, therefore anyone who uses it can apply their own definition. So you can't say someone is wrong with their assumptions due to the fact that in your eyes its definition is essentially an opinion?
@ThatRussianDance, man the right gets triggered so easily. Look how many downvotes I got! Lol
(with no counterarguments)
@My Opinion is Trash , in what way do you anticipate this?
@My Opinion is Trash , I'm just tired of russia fvcking with us, and I want a president that will actually do something about it
@colt1245, Well that sucks for the 70's. Anything today though? Redlining is illegal now. And has been for nigh on 50 years. What's the excuse THIS decade?
@CellSword, Russia isn't f*cking with us. It's China.
I see you still buy into the "Russian government collusion" myth.
How many more investigations have to happen before the Democrats admit it was THEM who sought the assistance of Russian oligarchs?
@CocoasBro, from a historical time period 50 years is a relatively short period of time. People are still living in the conditions created from the practice. There are people who oversaw or were involved in similar programs that are still in power. Im guessing you didn't read the summary of the program? What i described were the effects. The cause is that minorities were more likely to be denied loans which resulted in them not being able to purchase the houses that white people were and move to suburbia. This cut them off from a major financial a socioeconomic mobility tool
@LookOutASni, read my reply dealing with historical time periods. If you want evidence from today read information about how minorities are more likely to receive harsher sentences for the same crimes
@CellSword, The word isnt actrually defined by google or any of the dictionaries. I define it by the point theyre trying to proove in order to keep it simple for everyone. So i guess that in order to move foward with this conversation one thing needs to be answered. How do YOU define it?
@colt1245, why were they denied loans? Can you proove that they were denied loans specifically because they were black, or was it because they were at higher risk? Either way it doesnt matter because that was over 50 years ago. You might aswell use jim crow laws as your example on how the government is racist today.
@CocoasBro, please read more about it :) the practice is illegal now because it was shown that removing all other factors minorities were significantly more likely to he denied. For issues today you can look at the run on effects of this. Minorities are significantly more likely to receive harsher sentences for the same crime. Theres been studies showing that with a resume that is exactly the same besides a white vs black name the white name receives more call backs a statistically significant amount more.
@CocoasBro, i can go on and on. Humans work on several different time scales. Some we can see in the moment. Some we cant see until we look back and combine several centuries into one. You should research the trends and forces view of history. Things that happened 100 years ago still impact our daily lives. Just look at the sykes picot agreememt and what that has done for thousands of people dieing in the middle east
@colt1245, and men have higher insurance rates than women because banks use statstics to calculate it. But like i said it doesnt matter cause this was 50 years ago.
Yeah and men get harsher consequences for the same crimes. Its not because the system hates men its because we commit more crimes that entire study was flawed. I know that study it just takes random people from around the united states. It doesnt factor in county, judge, past crimes committed, etc. Basically that stat is propaganda.
@colt1245, that doesnt proove the system is racist though. Were talking about the systems specifically goverment systems. Youre going to have to point out CURRENT laws in place that discriminate against black people.
@CocoasBro, i have provided several examples for why something being 50 years ago means it can still impact the world. Please provide a counter argument. Furthermore the issue with systemic racism isnt that its specific laws. Its that due to the history of the system certain biased are baked in that result in a different treatment of individuals based on race. The idea is that we can look at the results of the system and see that these arent the results we want. Then we look at the system and decide how we want it changed. We can see that the current result of the system is a disparity between racial groups. Personally i dont believe this is a good thing so im invested in learning why and how we should correct this
@colt1245, The point you need to proove isnt that something was systemicly racist 50 years ago you need to show a law thats racist TODAY. Otherwise defitionally america is not systemicly racist by definition.
@colt1245, how is it baked in point to the law or policy otherwise your just chasing conspiracy theorys and racist ghosts.
Oooh 200 years ago slavery therefore the entire system is racist doesnt matter what the laws currently say.
@CocoasBro, you obviously didnt read or internalize my reply at all. Im sorry youre not debating in good faith. Have a good day
@CocoasBro, just curious what you think about lindsay Graham saying that young black men "can go anywhere they want in South Carolina, as long as they're conservative"
@LookOutASni, you realize that there have been several confirmed reports by us and other allied countries that Russia is sewing discord in western countries right?
@CocoasBro, you just changed the subject. I don't have a horse in that race. Just pointing out that you were telling someone their opinion (by your own definition) was wrong which inherently fallible
@colt1245, yeah clearly you cant proove that the system is currently racist. You can only talk about how past racist policies somehow still count toward how are system currently operates. Have a nice day hopefully you drop the conspiracy theories.
@CellSword, I hear alot about what conservatives "say" and it normally isnt what they said.
Yep just looked it up you took it way out of context like normal.
@CellSword, no i didnt?
@CocoasBro, like normal? When have we ever talked?
@CocoasBro, feel free to give appropriate context if you'd like
@CocoasBro, I don't understand what more Colt could want regarding that law. It's gone. It's illegal now. Whether it still affects the current population is irrelevant, because putting laws in place to counteract it's effects would in fact be racist.
@CellSword, no, you actually have to ignore everything Trump has done to be against voting for him this year
@ThatRussianDance, he was correct
@My Opinion is Trash , did you seriously downvote me for asking you a simple question about how kamala harris would strip your freedom? That just made me defensive to anything you have to say. Do you know how to persuade?
@Captain Swordsman, you mean how he admitted to lying about the danger level of covid while at the same time calling it a liberal hoax?
@CellSword, no, because that's not even remotely close to what happened. Come back to me when you're interested in at least having a good faith discussion and not being the most disingenuous POS this side of Jupiter.
@Captain Swordsman, see i said a fact and you dismissed it. I'll give you the same invitation though :)
@Captain Swordsman, that's okay though, I've seen more facts dismissed regarding trump than there are grains of sand on the beach lol. You don't phase me.
@Captain Swordsman, "I could shoot someone in the middle of time Square and not lose voters"
Thats you buddy
@CellSword, you didn't say a fact though, you said I made up lie. There's a big difference. I could say that Donald Trump is 50 ft tall and his pheromones are capable of impregnating all fertile women in a 20 mile radius, but me saying it doesn't make it true. And, even if a so-called news Network like CNN were to also say the same thing, that still wouldn't make it true. So since you don't even have a basic understanding of what actually constitutes a fact, it's going to be pretty hard for us to have a discussion now isn't it?
@Captain Swordsman, you know its on tape right?
@Captain Swordsman, the fact that fox was running around trying to discredit everyone and everything involved didn't make you suspicious at all?
@CellSword, implying I watch Fox news
@Captain Swordsman, im just saying question your leaders! Holy sh!t its a basic American quality! I honestly do the same with democrats. You are so on team RED that you excuse or agree with absolutely everything he does. If you give me 3 things he's fvcked up ill concede to actually have a conversation with you. Unless you think he's ACTUALLY perfect, in that case you're just a moron.
@Captain Swordsman, oh are you the youtube kind?
@CellSword, look, let me drop the facts on your little pea brain. Donald Trump DID NOT: "Lie about the danger level of covid" (or admit to such). Donald Trump DID: Reassure the American people that the virus would be taken care of to the best of our abilities (which it was). Donald Trump DID NOT: "Ignore warnings from health professionals through inaction about the virus". Donald Trump DID: Literally the exact opposite of that. I mean for real like literally reverse every single part of that and that's what happened. Donald Trump DID: Give us the best economy my generation has been alive to witness prior to the Kung Flu through tax cuts, deregulation, border security, and repeal of terrible trade deals, including, but not limited to: the highest tax cuts for the middle class that I've been alive for, highest average wage increase in about a century, black unemployment at the lowest recorded numbers EVER (we'll come back to that), stock markets surging to record highs
@Captain Swordsman, still waiting on 3 negative things otherwise there is absolutely no point talking to you and we can just both ignore eachother regarding politics
@CellSword, continuing to ship money to Israel; not acting quickly enough to quell the violent, destructive, murderous rioting in Portland and elsewhere (though with this one I can understand that an election is coming up, but I still don't think that excuses it); and I can't really come up with anything else policy wise but I will say I rolled my eyes when he started talking about violent video games like it was 2001. Now will you quit projecting your own bias and lack of critical thinking on to me?
@CellSword, now how about you give me one, one, read that again one, literally just one thing you think Donald Trump did right. I highly expect not to receive an answer to this, since you clearly are the one who is completely biased, tribalist, and brainwashed, and you decided to project all of that on to me
@Captain Swordsman, im not left, im dead center on the political spectrum. I do appreciate the 2.5 reasons though. What about the military parade? Thats the only other one I've been able to get rightys to admit was dumb
@CellSword, I'm not familiar with any military parade
@CellSword, okay I looked into it and yeah I guess it was pretty dumb but this is my problem with lefties and so-called "centrists" (ie lefties LARPing as centrists by occasionally calling out some inconsequential stuff from the Dems) where they'll go after a Republican or populist like Trump over the most inconsequential things and act like that makes him unqualified to be president, completely ignore or be ignorant of any good things he has ever done for this country, occasionally go after Dems for some ultimately inconsequential thing in the interest of pretending to be fair, and then claim to be unbiased Central parties. Still waiting on YOUR 1 (one) good thing from Trump btw
@CellSword, Donald Trump DID: Commute sentences and issue pardons to multiple people convicted (under the Clinton/Biden crime bill) for nonviolent drug related offenses, including a black woman who saw her own children for the first time in 21 years, and her own now nearly-grown grandchildren ever as a result. He DID: Sign the First Step Act which is designed to facilitate reintegration of nonviolent convicts with good behavior back into society early in a similar vein. He DID (as mentioned): give us the lowest black unemployment on record. He DID: increase federal funding to Historically Black Colleges and Universities. If I was a racist, I definitely wouldn't vote for Trump, I tell ya.
@Pyvin, no extra laws just knowledge of the situation to dispel biases. Current stereotypes exist for a reason but that doesnt mean its genetic
@Pyvin, in addition that was an example not all the examples. It just shows how the system is currently broken and how perpetuating ideas can keep it broken for longer
@CocoasBro, Systemic racism does and will exist as long as affirmative action is legal.
@CellSword, to show the polarizing times, short quips of unintelligent spurging. Thank you for staying civil, I probly wouldn't feel like telling with out it.
1. His demeanor is dìckish, though entertaining, I wish he could narrow his focus.
2. Continuing Obama's bombings, the few if not only times the media has called them "presidential."
3. Attacking the media. The media is heavily biased and sees him as a threat to there way of life. If he keeps going then I actually have to work. But his incessant with praising the good and condemning the bias forces them to stay against him. Since, like crabs in the bucket, any one Trump praises is "not a true scotsmen" out of the industry.
To answer your first comment, I wish I knew now back then, cause would have through money on him be for I voted. Even with my small gripes about him, most of his failures is his presentation.
Twitter is garbage and should die off and the normal news purposefully makes stuff up just to undermine voter confidence
@CellSword, as to the second comment. One of the major problems when it comes to being a trump supporter now in days is that you have to essentially no life the news cycle to get a good reading on trumps actions. To distill the truth from the media like this is soul crushing. How many times will they claim Trump " didn't condemn white supremacy" when we've seen it constantly from him. How many times do we need to read about the Charlottesville hoax. Russia collusion for three years, zero evidence found, then they impeach him unlawfully for "quid pro quo"for Intel on a guy that said he was never going to run for office again, a year an a half before he ran for office again. And after all that they said he was in the pocket for the Chinese.
I do not blame any person, that would dip out after all of this gas lighting.
Trump has done amazing things during his time, and I love the fact that the house has finally got a backbone when dealing with the president. I just hate that it will only..
@That one lurker, be for Trump. The next president will not be under such scrutiny or hostile opposition.
@BiteMyShinyMetalA55, hey man, get that common sense sh!t right TF outa here. Can you see that it's disrupting our delusions. How can I virtue signal with all this truth
@CocoasBro, if you feel like you don’t understand an issue well enough to talk about it, don’t start running your mouth on it. Either make a good-faith effort to educate yourself or shut up. I will not cater to your ignorance. That’s what Google is for.
@CellSword, just the normal have you heard insert person x here said.
@Pyvin, hes just repeating the narrative. There is no solution to the problem hes presenting. The idea that historical injustices effects still linger and we should be ashamed of ourselves and repent perpetually is a strong one amongst the left and their cult.
@member berry, You are correct. Ironically enough systemic racism comes from the people who decry racism and systemic racism. Ive gotten used to that irony lately.
@LookOutASni, .... You think that Russia is Not a hostile government to the USA!? Yes, China is as well and they have Chinese agents in the US actively stealing intellectual property and engineering info and scientific info. China is absolutely as adversary to the US. But to think that Russia is not is so willfully ignorant that it is mind boggling. If Russia is not a US adversary, why would EVERY SINGLE US INTELLIGENCE AGENCY conclude that they are? Why would we have videos of Russian air forces antagonize our own? Why would they ram our naval ships? Why would they ram our transport vehicles with our troops in them? Why would Russia have bounties on the heads of American soldiers? Why would they attempt to hack every election we have? They do the same to most countries in the world, it's not just to the US. Russia IS a currently hostile government to the USA and many other countries. Only a liar or a moron would say otherwise.
Kamala died on stage all on her own. The fly was simply asking if Mike was going to eat that.