What happened at the Capitol yesterday was bad. What happened over the summer in major cities all over the country was bad. I just wish more people could look at both of these things and agree that America isn’t supposed to be like this.
@Block1187, what happened last summer was people finally having enough of oppression. What happened at the capitol was a bunch of people trying to continue that oppression. America has always been this way, just not for most white people.
@gregjabb, f@ck white people and their
Not burning sh!t to the ground and leaving in a semi orderly fashion.
@gregjabb, looting businesses and rioting didn’t solve the oppression, and in fact video footage shows that some of the most violent individuals involved in the riots were white antifa members and anarchists. You are part of the problem with all this, someone who immediately justifies their own side when violence occurs and demonizes the other when violence occurs. Step back for a second and realize that in nether case was anything meaningful accomplished, I live in the Twin Cities and these were the costliest and deadliest riots in state history, and out of all that destruction came not an ounce of goodness. There are still dozens of boarded up and burned down buildings in the areas hit hardest by the rioters, and do you know who suffers the most from it? The people that live in those communities that were burned down. It’s not the white people in the suburbs who suffered from all the destruction and death, but tell me again how the riots of this last summer were different than what
@gregjabb, happened at the capitol? You might be right in one major way that they are different, there was billions of dollars of damage done and dozens of people killed during the riots, a lot less than what happened yesterday. Until we stop excusing violence because it advances the side we agree with, violence will continue to erupt on both sides. Stop adding fuel to the fire.
@Block1187, very well said
@gregjabb, Please understand that if you justify violence based on how righteous you think the cause is that there are always people with other values who feel just as justified and by your logic are just as entitled to conduct themselves in a violent manner. These people are convinced that this was not a democratic process, that Donald Trump won not by technicalities but genuinely earned more votes. They THINK they are fighting FOR democracy. To you, they're fighting to overturn democracy. To you the demonstrations over the previous months were about fighting oppressive systems of racism, I assume, and to others it's just violent outbursts victimizing and terrorizing cities across the US where most people are just trying to get through covid without needing to rely on $600 pity checks from the gov. You are inadvertently legitimizing the position of the people that stormed the capitol. You've made the case if someone genuinely thinks they're fighting against injustice, violence is ok.
@Block1187, now what happened at the Capitol was some true American Patriots and heroes teaching the elites of valuable lesson about their lack of invincibility
To be fair we all knew this was gonna happen. I’m just sitting here in Dallas with a bucket of popcorn waiting for round 2
Are you guys alright over there?
@Canadian wolf , no
Time for Iraq to come and overthrow the government to provide peace and stability
Trump caused this with his lies and propaganda starting many years ago, way back in the 80's when Doonesbury was lampooning him. He talked about running for President then and was laughed at. Flash forward, January 6, 2021, 5 people dead or soon to be, after Trump's brainwashed Cult 45 mobs the Capitol, their minds melted by decades plus 4 years of lies and conspiracy theories, resulting in a Trump cult member's blood on the marble floor of the Capitol building. Trump and his supporters are complicit in these deaths. THAT is how it went down. Weak-minded pu$$ies afraid to think for themselves so they let a deranged madman do it for them. Trump and all of his supporters should go to prison.
@Mistyblue Ghost, the grand majority of humans have madhumans thinking for them. It may never change
@Cuactemoc4919, It's the same mentality as any religion, created by a prophet for a profit, that allows people to be easily brainwashed for their money, faith and loyalty. The Cult of Trump is no different, they'll lay down their lives and bleed their bank accounts for him. It won't change until people can start thinking for themselves.
@Mistyblue Ghost, I'm really not interested in absolving the media and big tech of a substantial amount of culpability here. They've been erratic, unreliable, down right sloppy...
*Points at 🐢
Not you Funny Pics, you've been great
@NotCaveJohnson, Oh puhleeeze, what a copout. It all comes down to individual beliefs and the choices they make for themselves, and the choices can be made based on facts and evidence or heresay and conspiracy theories, depending on your critical thinking skills level, which, for Trump supporters, is very low. Blaming the media and big tech just makes you a hypocrite, you are a user of a biased, privately-owned platform, including funny pix, but if what you read or hear doesn't suit your core beliefs, based on what you've allowed yourself to believe, and whether it's backed up by your community of like-minded believers, then you consider it a problem while still being an avid user. That girl who died in the Capitol let herself be consumed by conspiracy theories and heresay, she basically died from a steady stream of National Enquirer headlines, and that is the sad outcome of not being able to think for yourself, no matter what you see or hear from the media or big tech.
@Mistyblue Ghost, all the dude said was that the media is also to blame... Which is true, because all information comes from media outlets and they have been neglectfully abusing their power and responsibility to people for years
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, Right, so take no responsibility as a consumer of said media, gotcha
@Mistyblue Ghost, that's not what I said, individuals can take responsibility but masses of people cannot. You can't expect people at large to be responsible and thoughtful. The media knows that they govern the mindsets of the masses and abuse that rather than use that power for good
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. People have free will, they pick and choose their sources of information, education and methods of delivery. If they choose to have all their information come from Trump, Fox News, Facebook, Twitter, NewsMax, OANN, etc. as a steady diet of misinformation, propaganda and riot-inciting bullshyt, that is each person's choice. The problems are people believing every fekking thing they hear because it came from their chosen sources, that is NOT the media's problem, that is ignorance and an intolerance to ideas other than their own.
@Mistyblue Ghost, you expect too much from people at large, and you hold those with actual power not accountable at all. Also you're just kind of a rude fvck.
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, Oh I expect a hell of a lot out of people at large, blaming media over taking personal responsibility is the fekking problem. You seem to forget that people in power were put there by people who chose to believe their propaganda, such as the neon god Trump worshipers exalted. It all comes down to free will and freedom of choice. And if you think I'm rude, that's YOUR choice, at least you said it before anyone else so it didn't look like you were influenced by tech. If someone calls me a rude fvck after you, well that proves my point beautifully.
@Mistyblue Ghost, People make decisions and hold values based on their understanding of reality. If reality is misrepresented to you your ability to make correct decisions. Making you susceptible to holding incorrect positions.
Why is lying or fraud an immoral or unethical act? Because you prevent someone from being capable of making a rationally informed position.
If you don't understand the value of manipulating perception to direct outrage for personal gain, I don't know what to tell you other than where to shove it.
I highly suggest you watch Andrew Breitbart at the Anthony Weiner Press conference. These are no longer journalists. They haven't been for a while. What's happening now used to be called Yellow Journalism.
Very few people set out to disprove their own convictions. You have an unreasonable expectation of that occuring. Even if it should. Skepticism is not taught in schools. Credulity is taught in churches though.
@Mistyblue Ghost, Propoganda is, like, not a thing, I guess.
Good news to Joseph Goebbles. You're completely blameless for the holocaust because it takes away from Mistyblue Ghost's hate erection for Trumpers. The German people should have known better than to consume it and so he's off the hook. Got it. 👍
@NotCaveJohnson, I'm fully aware and educated on the psychology of brainwashing and how Hitler, Trump, etc. used it to manipulate his followers. If very few people set out to disprove their own convictions and choose to follow like good little sheep, letting a deranged lunatic like, oh , Trump, think for them, that's why justice prevailed and Biden has won. Because the other half certainly can think for themselves and make informed decisions based on evidence and fact instead of heresay and conspiracy theories. You're the National Enquirer, we're the AP, PBS, NPR, CBS and BBC all rolled into one non-censored MASS of individual free-thinkers.
@Mistyblue Ghost, You're joking...
1st I think Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom too. He's a sheep leading other sheep. You can keep your hate boner. It doesn't absolve him.
2nd if you claim the "other half" is completely unaffected by propaganda and manipulation and has a solid grasp of reality you're necessarily delusional and have yet to stop laughing at the other side to recognize you're side, I'm assuming based on your incorrect assumption that I'm in the side with Trump, is doing literally the exact same shjt.
Reeeing the country into the ground. Self righteousness is a powerful drug my dude.
@NotCaveJohnson, Propaganda IS a thing, it's how Trump and Hitler arose to power, but it only worked on people who were incapable of seeing situations from multiple angles. With Hitler, free choice and the ability to choose what type of propaganda you listen to was extremely limited, with Trump and the ability to have more choice than you knew what to do with it, people still made their choices: Trump, QAnon, Fox News, conservative radio.. after SIX WEEKS of a steady diet of the same propaganda, psych studies show people started to believe in it, based in fact, truth or otherwise. If you can't see the difference between Hitler-era and Trump-era propaganda options, that ignorance is solely on you, but it comes down to a matter of leaflets, bullhorns and one-station radios vs. a fekking shyt-ton of misinformation from multiple sources. And I can't have a hate-erection, maybe metaphorically, but definitely hate-stiff-nipples for Trumpers, all of whom are complicit in the Capitol horror.
@NotCaveJohnson, Trump was absolutely the cause of what happened, up to and including the death of one of his own supporters and after, the murder of a police officer by his supporters. Trump started sowing the seeds of January 6th, 2021 in the 70's and 80's with bullshyt conspiracy theories he got straight from the lie-infested National Enquirer. He ramped up his rhetoric for decades, picking on the weak-minded ("I love the poorly educated") and when Twitter hit, it was off to the races with lies after lies that his supporters believed, eventually inciting them to violence. He organized that March with the sole purpose of utilizing mob mentality against the Capitol. This was YEARS in the making. "If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed, and we will deserve it.". - LG
@Mistyblue Ghost, *Knocks on your head like Biff* Hello, is anyone home? I'm not disagreeing in terms of propoganda. I'm warning you that you are also on a steady diet of propoganda. You think you've chosen the safe "news" outlets and You're on the right side. You're a frog in water slowly coming to a boil, looking out at another pot filled with frogs in boiling water saying "take a look at those idiots. Who would fall for that?”
Yuri Bezmenov was super interesting to listen to concerning active measures and subversion techniques. Destroying your enemy without firing shots. Art of War stuff.
You're falling into a trap, is what I'm saying. You're hate-stiff-nipples for Trumpers is well crafted misdirection. It's given you a blind spot. You need to watch the hands, not just the mouth.
@NotCaveJohnson, Let's see, WikiNews, TheRealNews, Reuters, AlterNet, to name more, but I actually get more accurate, and faster, news from my friends in Germany who get reports of what is happening in the US sometimes hours before there is even a mention here. Nothing blind about my spots, that's how I was able to see Trump coming from miles, and decades, away, and it's how I knew him being President would be the worst thing to ever happen to the US. It sucks being right all the time.
@Mistyblue Ghost, you assumed I was a republican or a trump supporter, or subscriber to fox news.
@Mistyblue Ghost, Here's my prediction. Racial tensions will get worse. Kyle Rittenhouse will get off and people will say that it's evidence of racial bias, but it's really because the information was misrepresented to people and they don't understand the law or firearms. The two officers in Atlanta will get off, and people will say it's further evidence of racial bias but really it's because the story was misrepresented to them and they don't understand the law or policy. The officers in Minneapolis won't get charged and people will say it's further proof of racial bias, but really it's because the events were misrepresented to them, they don't understand the law and how they are overcharged in a way that the prosecutor can't prove. There will be more unrest especially in 3.5 yrs for the election when racism becomes political currency again.
Social justice, CRT, etc. will continue to poison everything it touches with self righteous racism. It's going to suck being right all the time.
@NotCaveJohnson, I honestly was more concerned about your belief people are incapable of discerning reality and fact from propaganda, despite options to gather news from several sources and using critical thinking skills to make their own conclusions. Everyone in my circle does it and I wouldn't want it any other way.
@NotCaveJohnson, I actually have no argument about any of that, it's very plausible due to racial tensions running deep and the roots of unresolved, mishandled issues go back so long. I didn't say just because Biden is in that it's all going to be sunshine and unicorns, no, but at least we can better focus on the issues without that freakshow Trump brought.
@Mistyblue Ghost, "Oh puhleeeze, what a cop out. It all comes down to individual beliefs and the choices the make for themselves, and the choices can be made based on facts and evidence or hearsay and conspiracy theories."
Big tech is also implementing ToS which makes combating misinformation surrounding violent events or taking unpopular but well supported positions impossible. Allowing lies to be propogated and their challenges to be flagged for policy violations.
@NotCaveJohnson, Doesn't matter what private tech companies put in their TOS it's literally their business and none of ours, we're guests, we have to play by their rules. You make it sound like it was impossible to get fair and accurate information before big tech even existed, or that it would be impossible to get it now, though there's a plethora of sources to choose from. We the consumers created big tech, we have our choices as to what we allow to absorb into our brains from it, but if you think we have any say in a privately owned company's TOS, you're sadly misinformed.
@Mistyblue Ghost, People are legally allowed to be assholes, that doesn't mean I can't argue why anyone's behavior is unethical or immoral. I can make an objective augment about how given behavior is detrminetal without whining about big daddy government fixing it for me.
Their behavior is capricious and making civil discussion while citing sources or pointing to supporting evidence more difficult, which is detrimental, imo. Lying by omission. Most people are unaware of the censorship.
HOWEVER, there is a legal argument. Do you know anything about section 230? You could argue that a private company which enjoys section 230 protections has some legal restrictions on what they can have in their ToS.
A private company can do what they want but THEY agreed to ToS with the government essentially.
In the mean time I'll try using other services. It doesn't mean I can't make evaluations on the morality or effects of private actors choices on society.
@NotCaveJohnson, I know of Section 230 and I imagine private companies have to adhere to government regulations in trade for it, but that's part and parcel with how a company would try to defend itself from being sued for allowing users to post what they want, within the limitations of said company's TOS. It's not a perfect world but we do have a right to our opinions still.
@Mistyblue Ghost, Right, and Donald Trump and his supporters can spread and consume as much propoganda as they want, as they have since the 80's, it's their business and none of ours. So if you think we have any say in what private citizens believe and say, you're sadly misinformed.
"Trump and all of his supporters should go to prison."
Now I'm just being a smart ass. I interpreted your first comment as advocating for the imprisonment of Trump supporters who rioted at the Capitol and not like a Trump support that was at work in Omaha, Nebraska on Jan 6th for example. Right? Well I just wanted to bring it back to the top to end it.
It's been good. Thanks. ✌️
@NotCaveJohnson, Welkies! I laughed (the Biff knock), I cried (well ok maybe not), but I def got stiff nipples over the whole convo. It's amazing what shakes out of making an inflammatory comment. A little bit troll? Maybe, but no regrets, A+ in debate class! 👍
@Mistyblue Ghost, you should go to prison, then Hell.
Who’s the shïthole country now, Donald? We are. Forget MAGA. It was always MASTE. Make America Shïttier Than Ever.
Lets not forget what rudy said "trial by combat" of course dumb trumpist saw that as a call for violence
Last night was crazy and historic. I condemn this action, these 300 odd people has inadvertently harmed America. Because fascists in Congress and our soon to be president will use this as reasoning to capture and kill political opposition. Each and every death will be publicized as justified, because of the actions of a few hundred.
Regardless of arguments of justification for breaching the Senate house. You have given loathsome duplicitous cowards a reason to hate you and everything you stand for. These cowardly people already bent the knee to there new gods but now they can save face.
As for non political people I'm sorry that your first taste of the world has been of fire and brim stone. You've been lied to, you may even come to understand why. You've been lied to these past four years, I don't blame you.
I merely wish people understand which actions have consequences and who is above the law.
@That one lurker, I said this yesterday and will say this again FVCK OFF. It was not Biden or his supports that tried to stop a constitutional process from happening. You have no right to say that the other side is “going to take advantage” not after what happened yesterday. An enemy flag was allowed into are nations Capital yesterday. Don’t you dare try to spin this into Both Sides.
@Thone09, Define his supporters? Because unlike Trump, the crazies that voted Biden are not supportive of him. He is a tool.
Biden supporters are uninformed uninitiated individuals that don't have the two cent to rub together to vote for more then an immediate issue.
As for your self, I don't know you are your words, I spent yesterday calming my family after the event. Since this shook them to the core.
These 300 some odd Trump supporters have killed any good faith garnered. Since discussions like this are becoming impossible.
Tell me in truth, this will not be used as justification to marginalize groups of people that was not involved and was not advocating for this to occur.
If you can say this with out lying then we have either past the worst of this storm or you're naive.
@That one lurker, damn bud. how long did it take you to twist, contrive, and contort right wing extremists ASSAULTING THE BUILDING OF OUR FVCKING CONGRESS CARRYING OUT THE LAWFUL WILL OF OUR GODDAMN CONSTITUTION into “dems are an evil cabal and these are the actions of a few that the evil cabal will use to do horrible things”
i know these people arent regular mainstream republicans. i know this. but man if you have anything to say about people who literally try to supplant the constitution other than some form of “these people are treasonous filth” you can fvck yourself with every cactus on gods green earth you unamerican fvck
@Hoban Washburne, yes, the people that has stormed the building performed a heckler's veto and smashed the place up. I condemned that wholeheartedly. I'm also seeing the reaction of people in Congress who are using this moment to expel any poeple that was using their constitutionally given power to object to the vote.
So simply, I see a road and I look ahead. With both the rhetoric and the escalation that is going on.
We're going to see the establishment take revenge for this slight against their president.
@Thone09, but like that is just his opinion bro why you being all rude and telling someone to fvck off for their opinion. I think you are worse than him.
@Hoban Washburne, If you want my 2 cents, its already been confirmed that there were antifa members there disguised as trump supporters. Now not all of them were antifa members, but monkey see monkey do. There are plenty of trumps supporters dumb enough to follow their lead but I'm willing to bet that there's more going on than just "trump supporters storming the halls of Congress". I mean that is what happened but I'm sure there's more to the story. Powerful people are at work here and have been for a long time. We are just the public and our information that we see is chosen for us.
@That one lurker, you sir, are unhinged, and live in your own twisted reality. You really need to take a look in the mirror if these are the conclusions you drew from an attempted coup d’etat
@Captain Rumble, Because as we learned yesterday that is not an opinion that a cry for violence.There times that yes you may have civil discussion and have a difference of opinions be heard but when when terrorist literally stormed the Capital yesterday you don’t get have civil a discussion you have to stomp out hate.
@lilwhiteboyz, “it’s already been confirmed” really? Care to give some evidence? Because just about everyone from Viking man to “camp auschwitz” t shirt guy have been identified as far right group members. The president didn’t call for antifa to March to the capital, he asked his supporters to. The antifa line is just a lie you tell yourself because you know deep down this was an embarrassing spectacle and you don’t want to shoulder any blame or responsibility.
@lilwhiteboyz, unless you are referring to the Two people (one person questionable) that were identified. I’m gonna go with no this wasn’t antifa even BuzzFeed has disproven that narrative. This was on Trump who couldn’t even make a single video telling people to be calm and go home correctly.
@lilwhiteboyz, yeah and also he told those asshats at the capitol building, "We love you, you're very special." All while telling them to "go home" but not condemning their actions.
Occam's Razor states that, when evidence is lacking the simplest answer is most likely correct. Which is simpler? The followers of a man who has been claiming the election was rigged before the election even happened and who likely believe that the election was truly stolen (tbh I'd be pissed to the point of insurrection too if this were true) decided to march on the capitol and violently stop what they believe to be an illegal election from going through? Or that democrats or some cabal paid a bunch of rioters who already "won" (even though Joe Biden is hardly left enough for that caliber of leftist) to go, break the law and risk imprisonment simply to give them a slight edge when all the elections are over so they can institute reeducation/internment camps for newly defined political undesireables?
@Sven and Otar, one is overwhelmingly more simple
@Spetsnaz , I don't know you, I don't know what media you consume, and frankly I wish I did. The more info I have the better my perspective.
Right now, all I see is demonization, vilifying, and the out right calling a group of people to be cleansed. By ABC
Congress members trying to remove other Congress members for holding up the vote with claims of election impropriety.
So please forgive me if I know where this is going.
@Thone09, as do antifa yes two people suspected.
Buzzfeeds a horrible publication.
But Trump did try to tell people to go home, and for it he was locked out of his Twitter and Facebook.
@That one lurker, because their stirring up these legitimate *feelings* that the election was fraudulent for political points caused the greatest house of democracy to be violated as well as the loss of 4 people's lives in a violent insurrection. They are seditionists and traitors. Those congresspeople deserve to be tried and punished under such charges to the full extent of the law and the rioters deserve at least arrest and imprisonment for their crimes. But the people outside who peacefully protested? Absolutely not. This is America, not Nazi Germany or the USSR
@That one lurker, he gets his news from Buzzfeed (and Facebook). Lol. That's the problem right there
@Sven and Otar, they're calling for treason though. Should these people, these 120~ congressmen be put to death for speaking out against an election they find suspicious. A legal process layed out by the constitution.
We have the first amendment in this country. If they didn't call for direct violence, then their deaths would make us Nazi Germany or the USSR.
Right know the rioters are being charged with breaking curfew and trespassing. This may change for individuals. As long as the sentences are fair there is no problem. I, however, believe they will not be fair.
My main problem is the escalation and how no one is backing down, and how it'll keep getting worse.
I dont really like when people say "trump supporters" like those guys that do that shït represent every single person who supported trump.
pretty sure any trump supporter with a brain would have known that storming the capitol was gonna result in exactly what happened.
I wont argue anything else because I don't really know the whole story yet and I'm sure there will be more to it as time goes on.
@That one lurker, Ya that’s the point a publication as horrible as BuzzFeed was able to Disprove that “ANTIFA” was at the rally beyond people yesterday because it’s that easy. Every other major news source has been confirming every major person as Trump followers. And per that Video you mentioned opened with him saying that election was stolen first before he told people to go home. The one moment we need him to say one single message he could help make sure that know everyone knows “he’s a big and strong man”that was cheated first.
@That one lurker, I’m pretty sure they proved that they weren’t trump supporters a lot of the ppl in the pics were seen at blm protests and part of antifa and I’m pretty sure neither of those groups support trump I’m just repeating what I heard geez calm down ppl
@dj evolve fan club, ah good to see you’re here I needed someone to proof read my work. I mean you were able to bring such interesting point against my comment yesterday.
@bobbylupo, if you have the sauce please share with Thone09 and me. I'm eating spaghetti and so I don't have the time to argue.
@lilwhiteboyz, to start this off I haven't had much time to research this I've been working, the info that I got was from the Washington post, which now they are changing the story slightly as I cant find the original article. Not that I even trust the Washington post. All I'm trying to say is we can never really know what really is happening, let alone a day after it happened. This was done by radicals regardless and shouldn't have happened. Frankly I dont really care, I lost faith in the system a long time ago and I dont plan to become a politician to actually make a difference. I did my part, I voted, not much else i can really do. I mean the main reason I even follow any of this shìt is because of covid. Most people would consider me a conspiracy theorist when it comes to covid because I think it was manipulated by humans.
@That one lurker, if this shook your family to the core and u spent a whole day calming them down I’d say your family is a little too sensitive that’s a bit of an overreaction don’t u think
@bobbylupo, I have a large family, and in my defence it's hard to be the only one looking at politics 24/7. Many of my family are dems, so it's not been only reps that I've been talking off the proverbial edge.
@Thone09, no it's not a cry for violence. It's his opinion he's not asking anyone to hurt anyone. Also, if you truly cares about what our country stands for you wouldnt be trying to suppress another person's freedom of speech. You are showing your true colors man. Good luck in the future.
@Thone09, it may not have been biden supporters this time, but what about the rioers and the looters of this past year? How many lives did they destroy by burning small businesses? How many people were terrorized?
I don't think the Democrats are going to start rounding up Republicans. But let's be real. There are extremes on both sides there are a-holes on both sides. And the fact that both sides are acting like this shows just how doomed our country is. then quite frankly I believe it is the fault of our politicians for allowing it. Both parties.
@Thone09, and how is a Trump flag an enemy flag? By that statement alone you've shown your bias.
@RogueKnight, the Trump flag is but the confederate battle flag is an enemy flag.
@RogueKnight, Forgive me if I draw a distinction between people burning down Private business and people trying to commit treason. The one reason you should be bringing up those is to ask the question of why the police response was so light compared to those different “protests”.
@Thone09, it isn't an enemy flag. Well it has a lot of negative meanings, they lost a war over a hundred years ago. That's like saying the British flag is an enemy flag.
@Thone09, It wasn't treason. If that's what you want to call it then what about all the liberal groups that have taken over state capitals in the past years? They've done the same thing by stopping a constitutional process.
As to why the police response was so light, my guess would be poor planning. Typically Trump supporters don't act the way they did in the last few days. There's usually not any large scale aggressiveness like we saw in Washington. No bombs were thrown. The cops were not directly attacked.
Whereas the rioters and looters throw Molotov cocktails, space fireworks, space homemade explosives, space and try to stab officers with sharpened pipes.
@RogueKnight, When you are physically attacking a federal building that is meant to be the Bedrock of democracy trying Stop a process laid out in the Constitution to help a single person try to help a single person or a group of people keep power. I think you’ve earned the name enemy of the United States and thus have committed treason. And the confederate battle flag is used today as a enemy flag just as was when they lost the war or else they wouldn’t brought it. As for the “Less Violent Supporters” Proud Boys and Trump supporters have Just as high of an Body Count during the other protests as the other side does there is absolutely no reason to say they are more peaceful and to not have a high police presence ready.
@Thone09, except that it has been proven so there’s that
@That one lurker, I’m with ya brotha
@Thone09, you watch too much CNN
@Rowsdower, ok I’ve written so many comments here so I’m going to assume your comment is about antifa being behind everything to make Trump Supporters look bad. As per one of my earlier comments Two people only that’s it every other person has been confirmed as a Trump supporter. And no I don’t touch CNN, but there’s also not a single news channel that can change what happened yesterday.
@That one lurker, I read this to my wife and she said: “Yeah, I wouldn’t argue with this nut job.” Lol that about sums it up.
I will admit though, if our elected officials start taking political prisoners and start murdering them...I’ll look real dumb.
@snipesmcgeee, yes, opinion and conjecture. Based on how things go and if democrats do what they want with their supermajority.
I was not saying this will happen soon, but give it two to three years.
New York has started a bill, wanting to indefinitely detain individuals that are suspected to be infected.
This details, if passed, you can be held until they say other wise.
Please read it.
If I'm wrong then I'm the fool.
If I'm right then we are the fools.
@JoeJoestar, you’re right. I think every Trump supporter with a brain would have known this. Both of them.
@Thone09, not taking sides here, but my mother was watching it live and apparently they started reporting that the capitol was broken, yet at that moment everyone at the rally was still watching trump leave
@Spetsnaz , You want evidence? This is the closest I've seen substantiated. A guy named John Sullivan, founder of Insurgence USA
“I’m John Sullivan from Salt Lake City Utah and we are about to burn this shjt down”
In Washington DC on December 20th
He said he was at the Capitol to observe, but he climbed through a broken window. He was an eye witness to the woman who got shot.
He's not ANTIFA, so it doesn't apply to the claim directly. I think the guy you were speaking to was misinformed about the two members via facial recognition. I see that's been retracted.
Given the number of people I'm positive more examples will pop up. It's a trivial claim, it doesn't make a difference, anyone that entered that Capitol was in the wrong.
Please don't be dismissive though. We're not going to get out of this if we keep treating people who genuinely believe what their saying with malice or contempt. Be nice. Be empathetic.
@That one lurker, Good faith garnered? Not marginalize groups of people? What a fekkin' hypocrite. In your same post you marginalize Biden supporters and claim good faith garnered by Trump supporters culpable and complicit in what happened by spreading baseless lies and misinformation for years, and even after finding zero evidence of fraud or corruption, you built the foundation for what happened on Wednesday. Take some damn responsibility, just because Biden supporters have the ability to put OUR good faith in facts and evidence doesn't give you the right to marginalize us by keeping the lies and misinformation spreading with your "crazies" not really supporting him and using him as a tool, because you will NOT speak for me.
@Mistyblue Ghost, bro, reread my post. I'm saying that Biden supporters are miss informed. Making them wholly distinct from any of your crazies.
Then I say, literally, the 300 people that stormed the house has killed all the good faith people had with Trump.
How are those two comments congruent?
And how am I a hippocrate?
Please give examples and try not taking me out of context.
@That one lurker, Define his supporters? The "crazies" that voted Biden, not supporting him, using him as a tool, misinformed, all in the same paragraph? Any of that ring a bell you moron? You're one of those nut jobs that spreads so much bullshyt you can't remember what you said. You are a hypocrite specifically FOR EXAMPLE marginalizing over 80 million Biden voters with these comments. And hate to inform you of this but ALL Trump supporters are complicit in the deaths and violence at the Capitol by supporting Trump's campaign of lies, misinformation and propaganda. Don't blame us cuz you let yourself be brainwashed by the rantings of a lunatic weaned on the National Enquirer. You're absolutely pathetic.
@Thone09, your comments might bear more weight if you learned to spell. Why would I trust your political views/ intelligence level if you can't even use the English language correctly? If you just moved here from Nepal then that's ok and I apologize. Why is anyone going to listen to someone who sounds like they haven't finished high school? Maybe take a year off this app and read a book on Socialism's history. Maybe one about grammar as well. Have a good night!
@Mistyblue Ghost, bro, do you work in a theater, cause that's some good projection you're doing.
Insult aside. Each campaign is trying to court different groups, to garner enough support to get the vote.
I.e. the ex Cuban in Florida is different from an Inuit from Alaska. Across all divides people vote on specific issues. These can be boiled down to different layers of support and supporters.
For instant Trump got a large vote of first and second legal south and middle American. Because they vote against communism/socialism.
Biden gained the white supremacist vote by advocating for new segregation laws and race based socialism.
The reason why you don't know this is because there are supporters on both sides that just vote D or R.
Biden got a lot more uninformed people to vote for him. He lied every step of the way to get there. He openly advocated for opening the border during a pandemic, while locking down the country.
He calls for a reunification of the TTP hollowing out our manufact
@Hoban Washburne, hey so I haven’t read this whole thread yet but I just wanted you to know that your first comment was pure poetry and my day is substantially better after having read it
@That one lurker, Pedal your propaganda elsewhere, toots, you're a wacko spouting useless and inconsequential crap, nobody cares about your voting groups rhetoric, it all boils down to Biden being your President, so deal and chill
@Mistyblue Ghost, I was describing how lumping every one in a ball was stupid. But if that's lost on you, then understand you are who I was talking about. You're a low information voter.
I can only hope that you find peace with your self while you sleep through four years. Only to come back to vote against the next hate figure.
@That one lurker, Ugh staaahp your posts make me want to wash my phone in soap and water. You can't debate worth shyt, not worth my time
@Mistyblue Ghost, bro, have you ever play fought with a kid cousin or with your son?
You gently poke and prod them to get them to understand the limits of aggression, so that when puberty comes they understand force.
Then understand, this wasn't a "debate." It was you getting mad at seeing a basic fact of life. Not every uden is taking your jobs, not every capitalist your passion, and not every rightist your step forward.
Some times the people that disagree with you are just uninformed people.
So, please don't take this the wrong way. I was like you 4 years ago, because I had not seen the destruction Obama was doing. So I voted Trump then watched him like a hawk, to make sure he wasn't as bad as the last guy.
He was for the first two years but got much better.
My question to you, with all of this happening. Will you hold Biden to the same standard as Trump, or will you stay uninformed?
@That one lurker, You do you with your seriously skewed perspective, the rest of us, with an actual grip on reality, will be fine without you. What a weird little man.
@Mistyblue Ghost, tell me, my jolly fool. Three things each. If you can answer me with 80%+ true and facts, then I will concede.
Name three good things Trump did.
Then three good things Biden is for.
If any are back handed, then understand they fail.
Prove your perspection is more real then the real world.
@Gatsby, thanks man. i try to be bipartisan, many of my friends, all extremely intelligent people, are republicans. a few voted for trump in 2020. one even still thinks it was right. their politics go against the grain of what i consider to be american freedom and equality, but we debate it, civilly, and remain good friends. so when i say these fvckers at the capitol are treasonous abominations unto america, i dont say it as a stuck up liberal (i am liberal). i say it as a man who loves his country and is made sick by these people and this leader
@Hoban Washburne, I interpreted it in a bipartisan manner; something written by an unbiased patriot, not a propagandist.
@That one lurker, 1. You're a nut job. 2. Nobody cares about your deranged narratives. 3. You think the bullshyt that comes out of your mouth makes one bit of difference, to anything or anyone but facts are facts, Biden is our next President, so suck it up buttercup😆
@Mistyblue Ghost, bro, why you got to be so illiterate. Go, like, pick up a book before you burn it.
@That one lurker, First off, it's bra, not bro, secondly you get all your propaganda from social media, and lastly, like, you're obviously a misinformed millennial trying to sit at the grown-ups table. If you actually read books, which I seriously doubt, you need to choose more wisely cuz you are coming across to all of us here on this app as a true Trump fanboy and, just like Trump, is incapable of speaking the truth. You're unhinged, just like Trump, but no worries, Biden will have a great mental healthcare plan for you! 😂 (word to FPers: keep an eye on this one, he's probably amassing stockpiles as we speak)
@Mistyblue Ghost, nah, I said bro, and I ment bro. Cause you and I are brothers. As my brother in oblacted to tell you what's going on.
Nancy Pelosi has just now had a failed coup attempt.
You didn't know that, cause you don't care. You're trying to make this tribal for the sake of catharsis, but you stab at a person for seeing the world differently. That's because you don't see me as your brother, only an other.
@That one lurker, Can't be your brother if I'm a girl you half-wit! BRA! Geeze, you're so dense you can't even see past the bullshyt you've cemented yourself in, to the point it didn't even occur to you there are girls on this app. You're reactionary and over-emotional for a guy, you need to get a grip. Just because you see things differently doesn't give you the right to force people to think your way. You think anybody on this app is even remotely swayed by your nutcase opinions? Way delusional BRO.
@Mistyblue Ghost, first off, who would know and who would care if you where a girl. So using that as a point of order shows how genuine you're being.
Equally so your concept of every conversation being a recruitment drive shows you're not a good faith actor.
By just trying to score good boy points with the other crabs in your bucket.
^This being a turn of phrase that sounds irrelevant and nonsensical, only being brought about from real world experience. It's only learning the meaning, that it then becomes an obvious malaphor.
@That one lurker, Because it shows how single-minded you are, which is a main point of order, your inability to uncloud your brain from your own propaganda. Secondly, you're obligated to tell me what's going on? Holy crap on the highest narcissistic level, I can't stop laughing on that one. A random "Pelosi failed a coup attempt" comment, nope she is going through all the right channels and is extremely transparent, unlike Trump's sad attempt at forming his own pathetic party using alt accounts. You're a hypocrite wanting others to see you as being something besides an "other" while you freely insult people for how they see your nonsense, in almost every post you've ever made. You lurk, you troll, you bait, you are a common garden slug, and that's an insult to common garden slugs. Nothing to see here, folks, literally.
@Mistyblue Ghost, ok, so you don't see the new York Times as a credible source of news then, so that's fine.
You're using dehumanizing language, demanding that I do not have an opposing opinion and that I should not have the right to speak it.
Yet I'm the person slinging bile.
Look in the mirror some times, and maybe get off Twitter a bit.
It's been shown by scientists and statisticians that Twitters model is purposely polarizing.
Lastly, since you didn't know about the coup, I guess it is my obligation to say what I see.
Then it's your obligation to see what you see.
Then it's everyone else's obligation to do the same.
That way we can see the world and discuss ideas about how to improve it.
Is that not reasonable?
@That one lurker, Nobody is stopping you from vomiting your opinion, but nobody is in any way obligated to discuss anything with you, you are truly delusional if you think you're going to obtain utopia from random social media opinions. Nobody's obligated to do anything here, sorry to say, and def nobody cares about what you think your obligations are. Who appointed you the spokesman of Funny Pix? If it makes you feel better, I appoint you Speaker of the Nuthouse 😂
@Mistyblue Ghost, this is how we got in this mess in the first place. People and ideas being silenced, only to re-emerge as a disgusting new beast.
Like segregation being promoted again.
Did you even know that it's not only being taught in University, but segregation itself is trying to be put into law?
I'm not a nut, I just know things you don't.
@Thone09, it actually was Biden and his supporters that stopped a constitutional process from happening when they rigged nearly every step of the election from the votes themselves to the courts that were supposed to be handling the challenges. You're forgetting about that part.
@That one lurker, Nobody's trying to silence you but I'm damn smart enough to know you won't get social reform from the comments section of a meme app. Don't you think your insights and hypotheses can be better utilized at a more proactive level? Write your congresspersons, join a real-life group of like-minded activists. Because, bro, you're just pissing in the wind here, ain't nobody gonna care.
@Mistyblue Ghost, that works to a point, but we're seeing the mass purge form social media. The desolation of the Republican party, and the actions of 300 being painted over 75millon people.
I'm not going to hide in some echo chamber and wait to be put under heel. I'm going to go out and tell people what's going on, what they do with that is up to them.
Like for example you. Activity closing your ears and shouting down opposition to presumptive information.
I could bet five bucks you don't even know most of the detail surrounding the event or what might have triggered the storming itself.
Please, if you'd like, what's your guess.
@That one lurker, The event that triggered the storm was when Trump announced he would be running for President in 2016. Every single person who voted for him is complicit in what happened at the Capitol. Spreading his cancer of lies, brainwashing his cult, this was all made possible by every person who voted for him. All of them have blood on their hands. Hope you can sleep at night.
@Mistyblue Ghost, I can, because I'm not a monster.
How have you been sleeping?
@That one lurker, Awesome! I don't have blood on my hands for voting in a deranged, fascist dictator weaned on the National Enqirer, vomiting lies and conspiracy theories since the 70's, and who screwed over our military by illegally diverting military funds for his border wall, idolized despots, vetoed military funding because he was butthurt by Twitter comments, had over 360,000+ Americans die under his watch from COVID and did absolutely nothing about it, ravaged natural environments for his wall AND stole land for it, put the US into 3 trillion in debt, shafted the Kurds who fought for us, grabbed as much Pu$$y as he could get his fat little fingers on, turned on his own VP, stripped environmental emissions laws, etc. and is going to be GONE soon. Best sleep I've had in four years😂
@That one lurker, Oh and I forgot about the part where Trump golfed for almost an entire year while in office!! Ain't that a fekkin' humdinger!?
@Mistyblue Ghost, ok, let's start from the top. How is he a fascist, and equally, what is a fascist.
@That one lurker, Hmmm let's see, idolizing fascists, organizing a mob to march to the Capitol in an effort to grab power, creating his own fascist party. Check, check and check!
@Mistyblue Ghost, so being a fascist is not definitional. It's who ever you hate at the given moment.
By the logic you've presented Obama and Biden are both fascists.
Bush, Clinton, Bush again. Who isn't a fascist under your definition? Your self? Your was just trying to bully me into silence.
Please do some reading on what fascists actually believe, it makes it hard to push them back when normal people don't know what they're talking about.
@That one lurker, OK I'm done with this, your psychotic fear of being silenced is your cross to bear alone, and no matter what I say you're just going to twist it. You won't get anywhere, with anyone, on this app, especially with your spins on truth and facts. Bottom line is, truth and facts prevail over any attempt to twist them in your favor. Goodbye and good luck, wow are you ever going to need it.
@Mistyblue Ghost, written like a true fascist.
You know you're in a bad neighborhood when the house next door is on fire with the family on the lawn fighting and the house across the street is digging a moat to keep out the HOA.
I'm doing that from the UK, nevermind Canada!
@Crazycooper, you better get back inside the house. No outlet to the streets in the uk