First of all everyone I know is having kids and secondly how tf can any country in this overpopulated planet say there aren’t enough kids being born
@bobbylupo, inb4 someone tells you the planet isn't overpopulated
@bobbylupo, Its boomers that have antiquated ideas that marriage and sex should be for making families
@bobbylupo, the planet isn't overpopulated
@Jeremy Williams, If you think the planet is overpopulated, you are welcome to off yourself.
Show you really believe what you say.
Only China and India are realistically overpopulated. I can drive 20 minutes in any direction to find empty lush green land.
@bobbylupo, As the meme says, there’s a “replacement level” when it comes to population. It’s a sweet spot where you have to have enough babies to fulfill all the roles of the old people dying off, but not so many that the society isn’t prepared to house/feed them.
@ Michishige Shou, it's not a matter of space, it's a matter of resources and waste/pollution.
Also "if you think it's overpopulated, kill yourself" is the most asinine argument you people have. And you use it every single time
@bobbylupo, I think it’s from an economics point of view. Since more people are living longer, we need more babies to be born so that eventually their work feeds the pension of the old generation.
@bobbylupo, because were not over populated. Theres just alot of third world hell holes without enough food to go around because the government is corrupt as sh!t and all the people have left to do there in their shanty towns is fvck.
@ Michishige Shou, this is seriously the dumbest thing I've ever read anywhere ever. there is a lot more to the world that the small bubble you clearly live in. also telling someone to kill themselves makes you trash, then your uneducated opinion .ages you less than that. Id say dont breed but im thinking there aren't many girls around dumb enough to let your worthless dick inside them.
@TriangleTesticles, boomers don’t have enough to complain about apparently
@JoeJoestar, that burn HOORRYYY SHHIIIIEEEETTTT SONOVABEEETCH
@bobbylupo, boomers had multiple kids back to back... I think that's what they are referring to.
@JoeJoestar, change your name, you don't deserve to be named after someone as cool as JoJo
@bobbylupo, It seems like everyone i know is having kids, too, but looking at birth rates at a larger scale this is true. America and Japan are two countries I can easily point to where people are not having enough babies that replace those dying.
@bobbylupo, hey man they need someone to pay into their social security pyramid scheme
@Jeremy Williams, Except the Earth has plenty of resources and plenty of ways to deal with pollution.
I forget the actual statistics, but a hole the size of state the size of Rhode Island could easily hold all the pollution and waste of the world for quite a few years.
Earth’s population only uses up 10% of Earth’s landmass.
If the Earth actually used their resources intelligently, you could easily develop land to be farmable.
But instead, people like you will jump straight to overpopulation, insisting that other people die, instead of finding intelligent solutions.
So like I said before? Off yourself, if you truly believe overpopulation is a problem that can’t be solved with intelligence or technology. Be the cure to the problem.
@JoeJoestar, Na. Your own comments are the dumbest thing you’ve ever read.
Humans take up 10% of the worlds landmass. Overpopulation only happens when humans group up in a singular city, instead of spreading out. Places like China, or India.
I know you haven’t used your brain, the cobwebs in there are quite telling.
My original comment? The cure to overpopulation is what exactly? If hypocrite such as yourself expects other people to take a bullet, you’re wrong.
Poor countries historically have more children to provide for the family. Richer Countries like the USA like Japan are stable because people want to provide quality lives to their children.
If the growth rates are anything to go by, Japan and USA will stabilize their population voluntarily. The population is shrinking
Meanwhile, China is responsible to more pollution, more population, more disease (like rat diseases in humans) then both the European Union and the USA combined.
Oh, and more population then both as well.
@bobbylupo, if we're gonna colonize Mars we need more inventors, scientists, farmers, welders, electricians, and computer tech specialists and programers
@ Michishige Shou, except to gather those resources, habitats are being largely destroyed. Forests are being cleared, massive freighters are burning incomprehensible amounts of unregulated fuel to move it around, and people are working for near-zero wages to produce these resources.
Waste isn't contained in a hole the size of Rhode Island. It's floating in the oceans. It's being burned. It's in the stomachs of wild animals who ate it because their natural habitats have been destroyed or reduced so much that they're starving and being forced into human-populated areas. This destruction of habitat also means reduction in oxygen-producing flora, both terrestrial and aquatic.
I'm not insisting that people die, you angry clown. I'm saying maybe people don't need 7 kids. Maybe it's okay for the population to naturally decline a bit.
"Technology" alone, with no explanation, is not an argument. It also clearly isn't an immediate fix, as the problems continue to worsen.
@TriangleTesticles, next time I see animals having babies I'm gonna yell "ok boomer"
@Jeremy Williams, Except incorrect.
But that’s kinda expected for a low information fool like yourself.
Take a look at the US and the European Union. Take a look at Japan. Look at China.
China, despite being the second richest country in the world pays for nigh the lowest. Has the single largest waste footprint, the most emissions.
Despite that, The Paris Accords (the agreement to help the world be “better” on its climate effects let’s China increase its waste.
Stupid people like you can’t find an intelligent compromise. You want to cut the problem in half? Westernize India and China. Advances in technology will improve, and solutions are available.
Solution #1 take the overpopulated masses of China and India and spread them out all over the world. Most countries like Australia, Europe, Northern Africa and South America will likely pay them better, with less effect on the environment.
But thinking must be hard for you.
@ Michishige Shou, yes because humanity is the only species on this planet worth conserving, right? It’s not about the quantity of resources, it’s how they are distributed and the balance between them existing in nature and being consumed by humans. For example, let’s say, we need a shjt ton of algae for, idk, beauty products. Or vitamins if you want something necessary. If you disrupt the amount of algae enough by humans over farming it, or even let it bloom to extremely high levels, either one of two things will happen. Oxygen depletion from climate changing factors such as factories and plants will accelerate the atmospheric destruction and let in harsh cosmic rays that will kill humanity (but not necessarily all life on earth, the earth has seen much worse than humans) or B. Algae blooms in the ocean will grow to unprecedented levels from consumption of the nutrients from the waste products we dump into the oceans, and will cause excessive oxygen in the atmosphere, which is (cont.)
@Prince super Vegeta , 1. Poisonous in high concentrations to humans and many animals/plants/bacteria, and 2. Create a blanket effect, trapping heat absorbed from the sun and heating up the planet excessively. In either case, balance is key, and this same argument can be applied to human population. It’s overall state is “overpopulated” in terms of this unbalanced resource consumption and waste generation
@Jeremy Williams, objectively speaking, you’re right about that, but we need education in the poorer countries for not having 7 kids, and medicines that stop high infant mortality rates. Problem is money, corrupt politicians and ceos. If you’re talking purely about the US, I agree it’s the circus performing boomers that need to grow up
@Prince super Vegeta , Except I never said to destroy anything. Nor did I advocate such. I gave suggestions to reduce the effect of humans.
Nice fallacy in logic there.
Secondly, your example is terribly flawed. Let me give you one better.
Humans need trees for paper and construction resources.
This results in Humans planting more trees. Humans make their entire livelihood from growing trees then using them for resources. The trees are then protected, and helped grow by humans.
I live about 20-30 minutes away from one of the hugest forest fires in my area.
One thunderstorm set a single tree on fire, an entire mountain range burned.
Nobody was protecting them. Nobody was managing them.
If humans want something, or need something. Necessity is the mother of invention. Humans will go to a great degree of effort for what they want.
@ Michishige Shou, except that you did. You implicitly implied it whether you noticed it or not. The current state of technology is not enough to combat the harm humans are causing to the environment so we can combat it with population control. But what you’re saying will eventually be true, just not now
@bobbylupo, 2.1 children per adult female is the required number to simply maintain the current population. In some countries, the birth rate is significantly lower. Meaning those cultures will die off completely. Japan, India, China for starters. USA not far off.
@big freedom, China is going to die off? They have 1/4 of the population of the planet in 1 country
@bobbylupo, and that is extremely unsustainable at the rate they are going. It's not gonna die off completely because something like that would be caught well before it was too late, but this exponential growth is eventually going to lead to a collapse, and then a new country/countries will take China's place.
@Prince super Vegeta , Except that I didn’t.
Nice try. You have to add arguments and word I never said.
You can’t even argue the point honestly.
To imply destruction is to act like you are. That it’s inevitable.
Most humans safeguard their investments. I’ve gone to the beautiful national parks. I’ve seen nature. And unlike you. I prefer it protected instead of left on its own.
But what would a hypocrite like you know? after all you are named after a narcissist that would happily destroy planets.
@Jeremy Williams, Oh btw. When it comes to resources. America makes such an abundance of food, that huge quantities get thrown away.
The only places that particularly struggle for food anymore? Places that regulate or fight against capitalism. China, cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea are all habitually lacking food resources.
The USA hasn’t had a famine since the 1850s. There’s plenty of resources if you use your brain. A lemming like yourself automatically jumps to self destruction.
@ Michishige Shou, what's self destructive about not having 4 kids?
Also your argument is "Well I have enough food, so what's the problem?"
@ Michishige Shou, name calling is the lowest form of argument and if you are resorting to that, you’ve already lost this debate, my respect, and my patience.
Too many people in the US barely make this much in a year, some take 2+ years to make this much. It's a joke, hospital costs have people questioning whether they can put up with sicknesses/ailments/injuries because of how you'll financially be destroyed after seeking treatment. Stay safe and healthy Americans~
@Kounat, at $13 an hour. I don't make half that in a year. Lol. If it dies, it dies...I can't help that if I can't afford that.....it shows I'm single doesn't it? Always have been...32 years...
⭐️🌈 Capitalist Dystopia 🌈⭐️
@Kounat, I've worked in Healthcare for 20 years now. Insurance will set a lower max charged price, and get 20-30% off of the lower price. Then insurance will cover around 70-90% themselves. Until your max out of pocket is met, then they'll cover 100% after that.
TL;DR they paid $500- $2,000 of that bill. Depending on insurance.
@AverageIdiot, what if you're on something like medicaid or government assistance insurance?
@Kounat, TRUMP IS LOWERING MEDICAL COSTS
@SmartFeller, If you don’t like Capitalist countries, China is waiting for you. You can expect to make 50k less a year. It’s what the average wage difference is in China.
Your other option is Cuba, which can’t afford the luxury of modern hospitals, or Cambodia.
You should talk to someone 100 years ago. You’d learn how wealthy you are compared to most.
@Desiderata, Medicare hospitals cannot charge you and take a loss. Medicaid they break even and don't make money. If it weren't for private insurance our Healthcare system would collapse.
@AverageIdiot, thanks for answering. This is good to know.
@Good Pineapple Pizza, it’s true! Depending on who you are, you can get top-tier COVID treatment after paying only $750 in taxes! It’s THE BEST!
@SmartFeller, you’re gonna get messages from people who missed civics class and think our economic system is 100% capitalism. They’ve been trained to bare teeth at the word “socialism” without understanding that so many of the safety nets used by millions recently wouldn’t exist if we purged anything that involved anything other than pure capitalism.
@CunningLinguist, no surprise bliis because of price transparency(which means hospitals will compete on price), and lower costs for drugs. For these 2 things alone we owe Trump a hege thanks
@Kounat, but when all hope seemed lost.... a deadly pandemic hit and shjt got worse.
Is...is this real. How in hell do you Americans even do it? And how on earth do hospitals begin to charge such obscene prices?
(Genuinely asking not just being rude, this is insane)
@Turtlezen, usually they charge that much to try to get as much money out of our insurance companies as possible. And then to see how much money they can get from us without us fighting about it. Usually if you call them when you get the bill you can sort out a better deal. But it is outrageous. Earlier this year I had to go into the hospital for a 45 min breathing exam (because my doctors office wouldn’t do it because of covid) and they tried to charge me $2000 for it.
@Turtlezen, the person who took this likely has insurance and isn't paying that.
Hospitals actually charge way less If you have no insurance.
But yeah, prices negotiated between ins companies and hospitals are way outside of what anyone pays.
@Majesticmoose00, just the fact that you have to take costs other than raising a child in consideration is just absurd. US needs to figure this out.
@Turtlezen, A year ago my mom had to spend 2-3days in a hospital after a surgery to remove growths in her colon. The initial bill was something like $65K+. After insurance stepped in, everything was only $6k. It really is just a complex and silly negotiation game between patients, insurance and the hospital, but virtually no one pays those ridiculous prices, even without insurance. Also, thanks to the 2 party system, regulations and threatened regulations just adds to the complexity of everything. Take Obamacare for example. I'm not gonna discuss if it's good or bad, but the size of that law and explanations of it are thousands of pages. Its unnecessarily complex.
I know legal documents have certain turnkey passages and language that can seriously fluff them up, but Obamacare is still a beast nonetheless.
@MrLogg, I wouldn't say I took any of those costs into consideration when having kids. I not once thought about how much they would cost. I know in general, that no matter what costs I am faced with, I will always be able to cover them. Money is pretty easy to come by. I find that for the majority of americans, SAVING the money, and not spending it is the skill many lack.
@Majesticmoose00, there's still a lot of people in the minority part, 51% is the majority so it could still be a problem for many.
@MrLogg, what majority/minority are you talking about?
51% of who or what think what about what?
@Majesticmoose00, you stated that saving is the issue for the majority of the Americans. I get that some have money and just waste it but there are probably quite a few that have to use it all to stay afloat.
@MrLogg, sure, some people struggle to stay afloat.
As a teacher, I would guess I am in the lower tier of income in the nation for paid professionals. So if I can be responsible and save, while still not living in anything considered poverty, I would imagine those who make more, as well as those who make even a good portion less can also manage finances enough to manage the occasional medical bill. I also know that each time I had a kid, a government employee would come in and talk Medicaid with us (the free medical for those with low income. So there may be a very fine line where someone doesn't qualify for Medicare, but would struggle to have kids. This is where the social safety net exists. Family and friends, a community group, or a religous coming together to help fund a payment on something unexpected. As I said before money comes easy. But if it isn't saved, or it is spent, yeah, it won't be there later.
@Majesticmoose00, teachers must be the most underpaid trade all over the world. As long as they aren't private teachers. I'm not arguing but it is to me a bit strange that so many countries have almost free healthcare.
@MrLogg, the states is better than people make it out to be.
The big Bill's are fun to look at, but that is part of a negotiation outside of the reality of the clients final expense.
For example, we had a bill for 800 for an ultrasound. The copay was supposed to be $20 for the whole visit. I asked about it, and the dr. Office said, oh the ultrasound wasn't covered under our insurance, so we had to pay for it. When we contacted the group that does the ultrasound, they charged $25 not 800.
$800 is what they report to the insurance company, because they try to get as much out of the insurance company as they can. At no point were we actually going to have to pay the $800 as an individual client.
So the bill shown on this page, is likely a starting point. I mentioned my son who was in the NICU. His original bill started as $25,000. There was no way we were going to have to pay that though. Even if the insurance company rejected the whole thing, the hospital would reduce them.
@Majesticmoose00, as I look at it the problem lies in that health care has turned into a business more than a aid for people, its promising that it could be corrected.
@MrLogg, I Lived in Canada for a few years, and the level of service mainly in the availability of tue same doctor is unmatched.
I usually have a wait of 0-10 minutes for an emergency visit in the US. for a visit with our family dr. She is usually 0-2 days out for a scheduled appointment (maybe a couple hours for any available dr.) She was longer once when she was on vacation, obviously.
Major surgeries for family and friends have been immediate-1 month out. Usually in the 1-2 week range for something more serious. My dads triple bypass was a week, my father in laws heart surgery was 2 week out.
These times in Canada were impossible. Heart surgery was a 6 month+ timeframe. Seeing the same dr. Was rare, especially the larger the city, because you get scheduled based on availability within large range. So you may have to wait a week to travel an hour and a half to see a new doctor for an infection that may be cleared up by then.
Want morphine in the ER? Not in canada. Lots of issues
@Turtlezen, Adam Ruins Everything covered it well: https://youtu.be/CeDOQpfaUc8
@Turtlezen, this is wrong, you usually pay your remaining deductible. When my daughter was born we paid $1200.
Those are rookie numbers. My twin boys had to be in the NICU, cost $500k. Thanks to insurance though I only paid a small fraction of that
@PowerPickle, sorry about your boys, that must have been rough.
@fitizen, Yeah it was a rough 4 weeks, but they are a year and a half now, running around causing general havoc. So all is right in the (my) world
@PowerPickle, our youngest was born right after our insurance deductible reset. Basically everything was free for the rest of the year, even my 16k bill for testing they thought was a heart attack...turned out to only be heart burn
@Bionicbonk, heartburn/acid reflux really does hurt that bad. I'm trying to get on prescription medicine myself.
@Desiderata, I’ve never had it before, but I was so out of breath just bringing in the garbage cans so I didn’t know. A few days after an overnight hospital stay, my primary care doc told me to try a Prilosec....symptoms were gone.
Almost 400 dollars for an EKG? Nah lad ill just place 2 fingers on my partners wrist and make the beep myself
There was one I saw where they were charged a skin to skin fee.
I wish I lived in a country with free healthcare.. Oh, hold on. I do. Yay.
*cue butthurts to downvote*
@MattBnW, take me with you
@MattBnW, I'll stick with being able to make appointments quicker and getting better treatment. You can keep your free steaming pile over there thank you.
@CocoasBro, compared to those prices? Might as well be for wherever they are. Depending on how often they go or need to go, the taxes might just be worth it. The peace of mind of not having an astronomical hospital bill unexpectedly I'm sure is worth it.
@mas2de, considering a sudden hospital bill can cripple many for several years at least taxes is pre-done and expected
@eleven, a large portion of Americans in debt are in debt because of unexpected hospital bills. Most Americans are one large injury away from debilitating debt.
@AverageIdiot, Your username speaks volumes.
Wife and I want to have a baby later this year and. Honestly terrified of the bill
@slug111, Shop around for poor people doctors. I go to a really nice clinic, they even have information about all kinds free/discounted help you can get if you need it. I also suggest asking the receptionists to make your appointment with a nice doctor/midwife.
I'm not justifying the cost but the reason why...
Insurance typically is looking for a reason not to give full reimbursement to a hospital. The hospital has to itemize, assign coding (ICD-10) and inflate charges because it knows it may not get it all back. It's a tug of war between the insurance company and hospital. There are many patients that don't pay either but American non profit hospitals turn no patients away. The last year i worked at my last hospital we had a someone who entered US illegally. He broke several bones in construction accident. He needed months of physical therapy but no facility would take him so we had to give it to him free. Those costs are passed along to others. Also outpatient procedures are still fee for service so the hospital gets paid more but fewer people are getting this because of covid.
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, it's illegal to charge a patient with insurance more than a patient without so they charge high prices for everyone, knowing "self pay" patients won't pay.
That’s clearly a c-section but still.
@sullywow, I was gonna say, there’s charges for waaaaay more than a straightforward delivery.
@sullywow, how is it clearly a c-section bill? I have two children, with one born by c-section and both prices were pretty close. Upper 30k. Also there isn’t a charge for anesthesiologist on here.
Thankfully we have the NHS....but how can hospitals charge $10000 for a room
10k just for a room and a bed to lay on while having a baby. Yikes.
I have pretty high deductible insurance and the hospital gives discounts on a lot of this stuff. We only paid like 3k oop. That can be a lot but less than 40k for sure
Once we can market healthcare with a price tag (like that of Chiropractic or Laser eye surgery), this would be a lot less of an issue. Instead, laws and regulations will contribute to keep our prices too damn high!
People don't know how insurance works.
Its called insurance... im not sure how one goes around as an adult without any because most jobs have health insurance options.
My daughters total expense was about $3500. My son, who had to be in the NICU for 3 days cost a total of $5500. Plus doctor visit copays during pregnancy, maybe +$200-300 each.
Wasn't too bad with insurance I pay for through the school district I teach at.
The replacement rate of a society is important. USA is headed to look like japan rn. Where shut ins are common, elders are living longer but having kids becomes delayed and less viable. And then millennials end up 80 with nobody to help them.
@orion55, by the time we're 80, we'll probably have robot HC workers for a lot of stuff.
I also recall a US President saying that people should have more babies so that there was enough Social Security money for those adults when they get old enough to need it. That used to be a good argument but not that money js being siphoned off.
@mas2de, robot health workers: “you’re reached 81 years of age today”
Me: “yea I’ve been around a while now lol”
Robot: “happy last birthday”
My roommate was charged $200 for signing into urgent care and then leaving because he felt better suddenly.
Replacement level? BOI we still over-populated
Just move to the UK, you'll love it, it's just like China
@butternut squash, so you can only have one kid in the UK?
Still cheaper than having health insurance in the US.
Does this mean that we can call kids born in this era busters, or perhaps a busta.
And here I was thinking Covid was a good population control
Canadian, can’t relate
My old health plan cost about 400 per month and had a $1500 deductible before coverage kicked in at 80% to 20% my only visit for the entire year was in November for a broken ankle and i was billed over $6000 from the hospital. So a $3600 bill to me for a foot xray a pain pill and some crutches. Oh and they said there was to much swelling to see if it was broken (it was) so to go to a specialist the next day.
don’t worry the immigrants will take their place
I've had a child... We didn't pay a
dime. For the week we spent in the hospital or the C section I live in San Antonio Tx. I have no health ins... That's what the hospital charges the Govt...
Ok boomer 😂😂😂😂😂
Thats probably a good thing overall anyway