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In the mid-west area (rockford next to chicago) Everyone wears masks but you can tell everyone does it just so they don't get screamed at by someone else, or by the local karen(s) who stalk this side of town.
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@JacieTwisted, You're saying that Karens are actually contributing to society? What a world.
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@JacieTwisted, Rockford...wasn’t that, like, the murder capital of the US several years back?
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@FalconHalo, if Karen’s are promoting it, then masks must be wrong.
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As if, AS FVCKING IF this is even remotely how it plays out in real life more than 0.00000000001% of the time. The rest of the time it's literally the exact opposite (ie no one bothers saying anything).
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@Captain Swordsman, not if you’re wearing a mask.
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@Captain Swordsman, ive seen an anti mask temper tantrum twice in denver in the last 2 months
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@CHEisme, yeah but I only do where the "law" (read: edicts from the governor) which doesn't include outdoors in my state
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@CellSword, okay, I was talking about 0.00000000001% of all human interactions, not of all freakouts. My bad if that wasn't clear.
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@Captain Swordsman, oh yeah, if someone is doing the opposite of them, most people just glare or ignore
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@CellSword, I forgot you’re here too. We should grab a beer sometime.
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So, this guy has never heard an argument against the masks. Only the claptrap that "comedians" try to strawman.
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The mask keeps me warm when I walk my dog... but also gets really wet really fast
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@Awc123awc, this reminds me that scarfs and balaclavas are pretty cool. Once this is all over, I would recommend.
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@That one lurker, I’ve got a scarf but I left it at my moms over Christmas, she’s bringing it to me soon though
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Came for the shïtshow. Was not disappointed.
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Yeah your more likely to be screamed at by an autistic banshee if you dont wear a mask than if you do.
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"Science" is starting to turn into another political buzzword. Like "white supremacy" or "intersectionality".
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@LookOutASni, in this instance “basic decency” would probably be better, but masks reducing spread is science reasons
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@LookOutASni, Science has been used as a tool of politics for a while now. Nothing new. Integrity is a meme anyways.
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@Cpzombie, if masks actually reduced the spread we wouldn’t keep seeing an increase of cases in every place with a mask mandate. The data shows this. Masks do not work. They have only increased the chance people get sick since they are only effective for about 20 mins. After which they are damp enough from the moisture from the users breath to just absorb any and every thing in the air and causing the user to breath it in.
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@ThatGuyx79, I trust you are speaking about this through your medical science background and years of research experience? You’re an expert on permeable, semi-permeable and non-permeable surfaces, microscopic interactions, viral contagions, human biology and you’ve worked in the medical field contributing peer-reviewed advancements in these areas proving your research to be true? Plus you are an expert in statistics and you’ve reviewed all our global data on masks and found it to be wanting? Busy guy. By all means continue to speak on the subject and please get your research out there so that we stop wasting our time with masks and figure out a better way to combat this pandemic. Thank you Dr. Guyx79 for your work in medicine and statistics and continue to keep us educated on your field of expertise.
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@ThatGuyx79, nobody is saying masks are %100 effective at completely stopping the spread. They are only a measure which is meant to reduce the chance of spread and work in conjunction with social distancing to keep spread rates down. And if you control for population density places with mask wearing have significantly lower case rates than places without mask wearing (Vermont v South Dakota for example). And your point on "being ineffective after 20 minutes" is entirely moot because the goal of mask isn't to stop virons from coming in. Only n95s are effective at that. They're to stop virons from leaving from potentially infectious people who don't know it, so if they "absorb everything" that means they would be better from stopping exhaled virus from getting out right?
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@DesignatedElfWhipper, or politics as a tool for science informed policy, ideally. People do misconstrue science plenty but it’s generally pretty clear when that happens (e.g. referencing studies that scientists in the field widely agree is flawed, like the vaccine autism stuff). In general it’s best to see what the field is saying rather than the single individuals that political parties put on the stand.
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@ThatGuyx79, HA you got downvoted and TOLD!
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@Cl3v3rN1ckn4me, not to defend everything @thatguy said, since his definitive statements need to be substantiated. On that we both agree. I disagree however your appeal to Authority. As if "you need to be an author before you write a book" type of fallacy. He may have some odd lived experience, like an area with poorly constructed masks or people using cloth. Wish there have been some studies showing that home made clothe masks are not effective. As a personal opinion, that will need to be bore out by statistics. one of the key reason why masks are effective in hospitals and why they may not be effective in real life is the "clean" environment of a hospital. Thinking about the nature of these products and how most treat them. Touching and fiddling with the outside, excetera. Does lead to the possibility of cross-contamination. I.e. the filter caught something, you touch filter, then you eat.
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@That one lurker, I agree that appealing to authority is bad but I’m not appealing to authority. I didn’t say “trust medical experts simply because they are medical experts” I said “trust the research and studies preformed by experts that informed their opinions” I’m not capable of doing the research myself and I don’t know anyone I can reach out to who is qualified to do it for me. The best I can do is trust in the research and (hopefully) empirical studies. However, I recognize that these studies are sometimes manipulated to serve ulterior goals such as thalidomide going unchecked longer than necessary and sugar barons manipulating health experts to demonize fats in food. But if nobody can be trusted, not even experts or their research, then I will spend my life jumping at every shadow and distrusting every doctor that wants to help me. Medical science saved my life when I was born and I’m not willing to do this research myself. So I trust them because they are the best option.
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@That one lurker, how many times do I have to explain this to you. The main reason for the public wearing masks is to increase the chance that someone who is persymptomatic is wearing one so it catches potentially infectious exhalation at the source to reduce their chance of spreading it to others. At doing this even cloth masks from home are somewhat effective. See "To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic" by eikenberry in Infectious disease modeling 2020 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468042720300117
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@That one lurker, or see "Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against the spread of COVID-19 through droplets: A quantitative mechanistic study" by Aydin et al in Extreme mechanics 2020 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352431620301802
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@Cpzombie, except researchers from Denmark and the WHO have both said that's false and that information has been purposefully blocked/buried in both traditional and social media. You forgot that part.
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@Cl3v3rN1ckn4me, the people who are all those meme things you spouted off do say what thatguy79 said tho, so your (lack of) argument is invalid.
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@jouze, meant to reduce the chance of spread, except the science says they don't and they actually do fvck all at best.
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@That one lurker, you don’t need to be an author to write a book. But, in my experience, writing from the heart creates a messy narrative while researching how to properly craft a novel creates a coherent story. You don’t have to be an expert to have an opinion. But you do have to use good research and facts if you want people to take your opinion seriously.
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@Captain Swordsman, literally read the scientific articles I linked, because the science does say they do quite a lot actually, to quote the first article "this model of mask wearing found that mass adoption (80%) of public mask wearing could reduce case rates and death counts by up to 14-20% over a two month period"
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@Captain Swordsman, do not say what the science says without linking a single damń scientific article
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@Captain Swordsman, I’d love to look at their research. Can you link what they have to say and where they are drawing their conclusions from?
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@Cl3v3rN1ckn4me, yet again we agree, then maybe the main concern is the facts itself. Fauci had just recently came out saying to double mask. We saw politicians for the previous few weeks wearing two masks in public. The media ran story's on the needed use of double masks, and maybe triple masks. Then the science community said no. Fauci went ahead and backtracked on his previous statement, as if he never made it at all. I find this guy to be completely inept. With that personal bias aside. He was the one that said for us not to wear masks, cause he didn't want a run on them, and has admitted that he will lie to people to their detriment. The reason why he's important however is the fact of his office, through which he has become a household name. The reason why I'm bringing him up is because, if, there was less then the plurality of doctors going against him on the double mask issue. They would be band, just like many of the doctors that was discussing a cure....
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@That one lurker, now how can I trust bad faith actors to know what's best from every person across America, when I know they are actively lying to me?
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@jouze, to go off of one of your comments against @Captain Swordsman. How can wearing a preventative measure decrease both "case rate's and death counts" by any percentage? That doesn't make logical sense. A physical covering could do one or the other not both regardless of what we're talking about. Reducing the case rates would automatically reduce the death total, but they wouldn't be congruent with one another. A "50%" drop in cases that only kills 1% of the people doesn't correlate to 50% of that 1% being protected. I'll check if it's a miss quote, or if this study is not using a random sample size. Cause it'd only make since under very restrict parameters how they could get both of those results.
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@That one lurker, apologies that was a misquote because I was trying to type it from memory quickly, here is that part of the abstract "suggest that immediate near universal (80%) adoption of moderately (50%) effective masks could prevent on the order of 17–45% of projected deaths over two months in New York, while decreasing the peak daily death rate by 34–58%, absent other changes in epidemic dynamics. Even very weak masks (20% effective) can still be useful if the underlying transmission rate is relatively low or decreasing: In Washington, where baseline transmission is much less intense, 80% adoption of such masks could reduce mortality by 24–65% (and peak deaths 15–69%), compared to 2–9% mortality reduction in New York (peak death reduction 9–18%)."
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@That one lurker, You can’t and that fücking sucks. But, if his terrible advice was pulled down by enough experts that he was forced to backtrack then hopefully next time he pulls something like that the same thing happens again. It truly sucks that we can’t trust people who should have our best interest at heart but we can either get involved ourselves or hope that those around them do. I’d like to look into these doctors that were banned for discussing a cure, I can only find the Hydroxychloroquine situation. I’m not saying I don’t believe you but I want to do my own research before I agree or disagree and it’s my understanding that viruses are treated not cured. Bacteria can be cured with the right antibiotics but through my admittedly limited understanding viruses are treated with things like vaccines, limiting drugs such as ART for HIV and easing dangerous symptoms while the body heals but they aren’t “cured” aka, completely wiped out and undetectable post treatment.
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@Cl3v3rN1ckn4me, why does someone have to be so highly qualified to make a statement based on things they may or may not know, I believe he is wrong because I work in the medical field and have done personal research to tell me that what he is saying is not scientifically supported, but what the hell do you know? You said absolutely nothing to contradict his argument or any statement he did, you just made a pathetic attempt to appeal to authority that makes you look like a moron, I bet you don’t even actually know if what he is saying is wrong you’re just being a parroting troll, just another moron in a sea of morons shooting other people down on arbitrary factors that they can’t even prove. What is he supposed to send you his degree and resume through funny pics? Write you a whole essay about his career and research? Learn how to have an actual discussion you fvcking troll.
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@ Seductive Cheeto, An appeal to authority is citing that an authority is right based only on the fact it’s an authority. I said that people need to be qualified in addition to doing proven research based on those qualifications and then equally qualified peers need to review the research to ensure there weren’t any mistakes or misleading information. That is an appeal to fact. I didn’t even say he was wrong. I’m encouraging him to state his opinion and then state who and where it came from. I’m not an expert and never claimed to be. I have no idea how effective masks are because I’m an unqualified individual just like I assume he is. Maybe he is qualified and did research that has been reviewed by the medical community. Maybe he can cite some research papers by other qualified people. But he didn’t. He stated unsubstantiated things and left it there and I am pointing out that isn’t enough.
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@ Seductive Cheeto, An appeal to authority would be me saying “trust experts because they are experts” I said “trust experts who have reached thorough conclusions based on facts, evidence and research. Preferably their own, making it first hand accounts, but lacking their own research and conclusions please cite someone who did the research and was qualified to” maybe I was snarky about it but that’s what I meant.
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@ Seductive Cheeto, sorry. Too much editing bugged out my replies so this comment now exists.
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My pro trump, anti mask uncle just caught covid
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@Corpsman , yay!!!
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@hasher2288, you’re disgusting
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@Corpsman , I'm pro trump, indifferent on masks, and I can't wait to catch it. I just want to get it over with
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@hasher2288, classic example for a bad human right here, thanks
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@Corpsman , I feel so bad for those people sorry dude
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@Petersquatch, or you can just not catch it or spread it? Trump lost by the way hahahahhahahah
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@Sotchoku, look im not going to try to catch it. I wear my mask, I social distance, I dont go to parties anymore, but if I catch it, I catch it. Also, thanks for the reminder! I dont live under a rock. I knew Trump wouldn't win, and you know, I hope Biden does a great job. I'd doesnt matter who you vote for, we're all in this together. Its not something to spite each other over.
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@Petersquatch, then why mention it at all
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@Sotchoku, that's the way the thread started, and I wanted to make a point that were not all brainless bums.
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@Petersquatch, two week vacation for me. Though talking to the other guys that had got it theres a decent chance you'll loose your sense of taste for longer than a month.... other than that whatever.
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@CocoasBro, I sure hope I lose my taste. It would make my diet a whole lot easier
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@Petersquatch, if you haven’t noticed, it’s a derogatory term. Nothing good follows “I’m a trump supporter” Like oh yeah? You support racist? “Oh no but-“ Whatever dude
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@Petersquatch, I thought the same thing about my diet when I lost my taste and smell! I realized my junk food eating is as much habit as it was craving. I still ate junk even though I couldn’t taste it. I mean, I ate a lot of bland unseasoned chicken at first, because nothing had a taste, but I eventually ate junk food just for the texture I think. Lol
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@Sotchoku, I’m not a trump supporter or an anti masker I just found your strange hahahahhahahah to be weird.
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@George Feeny, thanks I don’t care hahahahahahahahahah
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@Snarfel Burger, don't care. Anti maskers can get covid and die. Haha go get offended somewhere else. Anti maskers can all die.
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@hasher2288, you can do everything “right” and still get sick. I lost a dear friend to covid. Being “anti-mask” shouldn’t be the death penalty And why should I leave? How about you go be a scumbag somewhere else, this is Funnypics not 4chan. Your downvotes prove we’d rather you not stick around here.
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@Sotchoku, you’re welcome
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Get some fresh air... while it’s still free and legal to do so.
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Never forget that St. Fauci himself said on national television that masks don’t help stop the spread of viruses before the deep state got him to change his tune. Your dear speaker pelosi was out telling people to “come on down to Chinatown!” And that there was nothing to worry about. But as soon as they realized they could use a “pandemic” to encourage mail in voting and assure that they could manipulate the election results enough to win, that’s when masks became the most important thing ever, the lockdowns started, and the mass over reporting of case and death numbers started.
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@Bobaganusche88, blah blah blah election results blah pandemic blah blah the media
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@Bobaganusche88, he said that in February, back when the only data we had was from the Chinese and they were saying there wasn't any cases of person to person spread. But see scientists have this magical ability called learning, which I know is a difficult concept for you, but when they see data that doesn't support their current understanding they are capable of changing their stance in response. So once it became obvious that data from China was bad and we saw cases of airborne spread in late February he changed his stance to support mask wearing, but did it gradually to ensure there wasn't a mass panic and people rushing to buy masks like what happened with toilet paper
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@jouze, he admitted that he told a “white lie” because he didn’t want everyone to go buy all the masks. Which probably would have happened. But here’s the thing, when the government lies, everything they say will now be taken with some healthy skepticism.
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@big freedom, yeah it wasn't great and the pivot was less than graceful, but theres a difference between "healthy skepticism" and still denying the scientific reports that have come out over a year after the fact
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@jouze, well, since he continues to tell, then later admit to “white lies” I think not listening to him is logical. As a microbiologist myself, I know when I’m being lied to. The average person doesn’t. I would take everything he says at 50/50 And real scientists deny “science” all the time. As soon as something is “settled science” in something so rapidly changing, that is a lie. Want the people to trust in government and their scientists, don’t lie.
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No one cares if YOU wear a mask. Keep your habits to yourself and you will find few conflicts. If a business/establishment demands mask usage for patronage, use one or go elsewhere— latter advised. If Govt mandates ubiquitous usage, protest forcefully. If a person attempts imposition in a public/non-private place, send them to hell. Wearing “the mask” in a pandemic is as effective as hiding beneath a school desk during a nuclear blast. NO policy advocated to date would stop or even slow the spread of an airborne pandemic. None yet are meant to.
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Wait guys, didn't you hear? Its two masks now according to fauci... Unless you have 2 masks on you are a super spreader and are basically a mas murderer... Wait fauci went back on that right after saying it was common sense..strange.
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The opposite.
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@Cave Dweller, every time there’s a freak out about masks, it’s always about someone not wearing it. Always
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@big freedom, it’s true, but gaslighting and propaganda are the Left’s only tools. Good news— the more people wake up to it, the less they’re willing to play along.
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@big freedom, if you really think that then your news sources are incredibly biased. Because there have been plenty of cases of this happening
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Suddenly CO-VID Tests are announced to be not very accurate, too many false positives! So now the rates can drop under the new regime. Just convenient timing. Those who actually followed this whole thing knew that it was mentioned back in the summer. But only now that the Commander in Theif is sitting in office, do they release that info.
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*See's 60 comments* oh no
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Funny that people like that don’t wear masks to hide their face from the facial recognition tech
I’m wear a mask because I can mumble to myself without being noticed now! MUAHAHAHAHA