College teaches more then just schooling. It teaches work ethic, how to work as a group, an ability to maintain a schedule, proper communication on all levels, ect. You know, things that are important at all jobs. People need to get their head out of their as$ and realize college isn't just a waste of time and money. Not everyone needs to go obviously, but certain careers require it
@theshadosnipe, I’d go to TAFE if I wanted to learn that
@theshadosnipe, I think anything outside of specialized fields shouldn’t be a college degree. Like yeah doctors and shjt should be trained up but half the people I know with degrees are way outside their field. And most of the ones that aren’t have specialized jobs that require tons of training.
@BigJohnson86, the whole point of college is to teach specialties. teachers, IT, doctors, accountants, lawyers, ect. I suppose if you want to be a supervisor at McDonald's you don't need one but I can't think of a decent job that doesn't need one
@theshadosnipe, I'm not saying college is a waste of time or anything, but unless you need a degree to get into the field you are going into, all you are going to do is pay money you don't need to pay. If you don't have those qualities already, then you are just going to fail out of college and have spent time and money for nothing. A job can teach those just as well if not better than college.
@theshadosnipe, a college degree basically shows an employer you are teachable, and have enough work ethic to follow through with something non-trivial
@Patamon, that's if you find a job willing to teach you. Most want you to know, or at least have a basis, of whatever they're looking for. Why would they hire someone without a degree when there a dozen others that are equally qualified and have degrees?
@PowerPickle, which is pretty important tbh...
@theshadosnipe, I am a clerk at a warehouse making a decent amount, and I have three supervisors and a manager that make better money than me and none of them have degrees. College is a good choice for some, but too many high schoolers who aren't even adults wind up taking out loans and don't even use their degrees.
@theshadosnipe, to use your example, I learned work ethic, communication, maintaining a schedule, and how to work as a group all from low-paying kitchen jobs. I think college is important for some, but not everyone should go. There are plenty of trade jobs and labor jobs that keep the economy working.
@Patamon, I work at a window factory and we also have managers that don't have degrees, but i wouldn't call manager a specialist job by any means. I do agree that if that's your goal in life then don't go, but if you want to be someone who makes that 80+k then you're going to need a degree or be Hella good at the stock market
@theshadosnipe, I do agree, for most jobs making 80k+ you probably need schooling of some kind. I was more referring to the fact that at least where I grew up, high schoolers were made to feel that if they didn't go to college they were failures and there was an immense pressure to do extracurricular activities and take the hardest classes, which is not healthy for the psyche of someone that young. But I also have a strong opinion on how our current system of schooling is deeply flawed, but that's not important. I think we agree on the major points lol
@theshadosnipe, I’m an electrical engineer and I don’t think I needed to go to college to do my job. Case and point is I spent 2 years being a design engineer having never been to college before deciding to go
@Patamon, I believe we do as well. I just hate the people that claim college isn't necessary for any job. As though someone can just grab a scalpel and become a surgeon, or fly a plane
@BigJohnson86, so your saying just anyone can do your job without any training or education? They don't need any particular mathematic skills or understanding how electrical currents work? I could just show up and do your job eh?
@BigJohnson86, I’ve heard horror stories from the US where teachers don’t need specialized degrees in education (Bachelor of Education). Scary stuff to not be properly trained in your career.
@theshadosnipe, I learned none of those in college.
@Ajunta Pall, then you either went to a bad school, had bad teachers, or were a bad student
@theshadosnipe, IT really doesnt need degrees. Most of it is self taught rather than in a classroom. By the time you have finished learning what university teaches you, the technology has moved on. Much better to learn how to be adaptable with learning new software and systems than actually learning one system itself.
@theshadosnipe, wouldnt that be a university? To teach universal knowledge?
@theshadosnipe, i say all should go to college. Informed humans tend to be better humans.
@theshadosnipe, anyone with more than 2 brain cells can. The vast majority of my work can be trained into any intelligent human since it’s just entering info into a company program and reading results. 1 actual engineer that really knows what’s up could supervise 10 people doing what is effectively more advanced data entry. The only classes they need above high school math and physics is how to read schematics and how to use auto cad
@Albatraous, and where are you going to learn new software and whatnot? Most jobs aren't going to want to take the time to teach it to you, and people can't typically afford or even know about it on their own.
@BigJohnson86, so your job clearly falls under that "not a specialist" job, which is fine. Not every job needs a degree. But there are tons that do. Learning how to program a router and switch, fly a plane, be a doctor, lawyer, and countless other examples. They're all jobs that you need some sort of schooling for, are they not?
@Cuactemoc4919, I will say college isn't for everyone. If someone is content just working at McDonald's their whole life it's a waste of their time to go
@theshadosnipe, I disagree on the communication thing. College teaches to write essays. Communication in the real world needs to be clear and to the point, frequently in a short email. There are no 15 minute presentations or essay sized emails.
@AverageIdiot, that probably depends on the college. I'm in my final semester of my associates degree and have only written maybe 3-4 essays, and those were for gen-ed classes. The classes I took for my IT degree were almost all hands-on, save for some worksheets on the chapters we read. My final cisco and Network Troubleshooting classes were literally just one big project that was a do-or-die grade. We had the entire semester to configure the network from scratch and we're graded on the results
@theshadosnipe, Aussie trade school
@theshadosnipe, just playing the devils advocate here, but you can learn a lot of those soft skills without having to get stuck with tens of thousands of dollars of debt
@Cuactemoc4919, while I agree that informed humans tend to he better, in our current system college just isn't a viable option for many due to how expensive it is.
@Wankershim, sure, but then you have to prove it to a potential employer, and good luck with that
@theshadosnipe, those skills should be taught in highschool. College is for specialized labor.
@Jdasher5744, they should be taught in high school, but rarely are sadly
@theshadosnipe, commercial windows or residential windows?
@leanord Church, commercial. Wausau window and wall systems in Wisconsin
College is a massive waste of time and money for 90% of all jobs.
You know what doesn't require a college degree? Industrial sabotage.