Oh no.......Not again
We had an officer killed responding to a home invasion after he was shot through the neck and his partner was shot in the leg. Responding officers caught the suspect without drawing their weapons. No news coverage.
Last year officers were arresting a suspect. Suspect was going quietly, and his friend pulled a gun and shot at officers. Point blank. He was killed. Not only did that one make the news, but there were protests because people on the scene said officers killed him while he sat peacefully on his front porch. Our chief released the body cam footage about an hour later to prove he was the aggressor. Didn't stop the protests.
@Cruxio , nobody cares about logic or reasoning ppl just want something to complain about
@bobbylupo, people would rather be dead than admit they might be wrong
@Cruxio , common problems man, my city has some dirtbag cops but statistically speaking they make up a percent of the dept maybe? The rest of them are good men and women who take their job seriously and ive only seen any of our bois draw on someone one time
*waiting patiently with popcorn for the comment section on this one*
@StopChineseBreeding, idk man, i think we got it all out last round. The thoughts of the regular users are clear i think
@Medic135, wot in Tarantino!?
EDIT: I meant to say Tarnation, but that is so much better!
she was arrested for manslaughter and she resigned. that’s the system working
If the skittles are referring to Trevon Martin, Zimmerman wasn't a cop, I don't know of any incident where a subway sandwich would be referenced minus the dumba** from Empire. And yes the cop made a mistake, if a cop has the Taser and gun on the same side it can happen, it shouldn't, but it does. The fact of the matter is if you comply with orders from an officer no amount of force will be used, if you're given unlawful commands follow them and them sue the dept, you'll make money and not get hurt
@officercoolguy, everybody needs to rewatch Chris Rocks "How to not get your ass kicked by the police" its a 15 yo video but still relevant.
@officercoolguy, hey now, stop bringing reason into this, I want to be ANGRY!
@officercoolguy, nah pal, there's absolutely a huge difference in weight & feel to a taser & that should not be an easy mistake to make whatsoever. As someone who was army infantry, you ought to train with your weapons at least weekly (if not daily) & ought to be doing things to stress inoculate yourself while trying to at least simulate a combat environment so you make the correct calls.
The officer has no excuse for the mistake & should absolutely lose her job & be charged with manslaughter because you have to be an absolute rock-brain to have made that kind of mistake & regardless of if someone was complying or not, if they weren't violent & your rules of engagement specify the use of non-lethal force in this instance of non compliance, you done fvcked up big time. Had anyone in the army even had an accidental discharge of their weapon & were caught could be imprisoned for 3mo, a lethal mistake? Prob dishonorable discharge, court marshal, & prison time. Cops should face the same
@officercoolguy, thank you
@officercoolguy, 5 days ago officer Darian Jarrod pulled over a truck for a traffic stop in New Mexico. The driver, Omar Felix Cueva, came out with an AR-15, shot him, and executed him as he lay on the ground.
3 days ago Sheriffs deputies in Caroll County, Georgia, pulled over a car for a traffic stop. The occupant, Pier Alexander Shelton, unloaded on them with an AK-47, hitting three officers before he was killed when they returned fire.
And those are just the ones that made the news in the UK this week. (Names left in just to make it easy to verify the stories).
I despise cops who abuse their position, but it’s no surprise that some will react too quickly or make a mistake, given that any time they stop a suspect - even for a minor traffic violation - they risk being shot like that. That’s going to put people on edge.
@Sven and Otar, edit: hit reply before I was done typing...
You and officercoolguy can both be right at the same time. The officer should have drilled more (they said she was on the force for like 20 years or something), the department should have had a policy that your taser had to be carried on your non-dominant side and you had to cross your body when removing it, (that’s what my department did) and she SHOULD be removed and charged with a crime. It’s a mistake that can’t be excused.
But to act like the mistake can never happen is ignorant (weight and feel don’t matter in the heat of the moment) especially if you haven’t been drilling enough. Even if you do train constantly, you’re a human not an automaton. This was not the first time an officer mistook their taser for their gun and it won’t be the last time. Police departments have done entire studies in trying to prevent this sort of thing because it DOES happen. This kinda stuff can happen to anyone...
@Nellybert , yes, but when the police are quick to shoot a child who already put their hands up, you cant really blame people for being scared of getting executed by the police. I get that the police have a right to be cautious, but civilians shouldn't have to be scared that a police officer is going to execute them just because of the colour of their skin, even if they did nothing wrong.
This is why every every country finds it strange Anerica wint change their guns laws to try and prevent this from still being the norm
@Sven and Otar, you hear about surgeons leaving medical tools in patients and killing them later, or factory/warehouse workers having lethal accidents on some machinery. Doing the same thing day in and day out doesn’t always make you better at it, it can make it monotonous and cause you to not think carefully. Unfortunately some jobs you can’t afford to make mistakes like that.
But we need to stop focusing so much on police reform and start focusing more on societal reform to prevent these sorts of things from happening. Trust me, the police are constantly reforming.
@Albatraous, Gun laws will only fvck law abiding citizens. Criminals will end up with a gun in their hands no matter what the law says. I dont know why people keep pretending that the law is going to keep criminals from commiting crime. Take Mexico for example. They have very strict gun laws and the cartels own 98% of them. You drive into Mexico and you see trucks driving around with 4 guys each holding assault rifles. I have personally seen this. You say cops were quick to shoot a child. What was that child doing at 2 am with a gun out in the street? And you say they shot him after he raised his hands. It was a quick second decision. In the heat of the moment you dont have time to think and look around and inspect and checkout his shoes and compliment his nice teeth. You see him pulling something out you automatically react to a weapon. People only think its easy to see because they keep watching it on tv in slow motion and cleared up. It was 2 am and dark out.
@Albatraous, It’s a good thing that doesn’t happen then (police “executing people for the color of their skin”)
@Albatraous, You cannot put yourself in the cops shoes and say "its so obvious hes not armed". You dont know the situation. You only know what you see on tv. Yes i agree that alot of times cops are quick to react, especially when it comes to a person of color. And yes i agree that cops abuse their power. But sometimes they are simply doing their job. Yea they need better training for situations like this. But if you dont want to be in a situation like this dont be out at 2 am with a gun and then run from the cops. I am a gun carrying Texan. I have been pulled over multiple times with my gun on a holster in clear view and have never had issue because i announce it to them that i have a carry license and that i am carrying. They simply ask me to step out of the vehicle and remove it. I comply and im still alive
@Albatraous, show me an instance of a cop shooting a child who has their hands up
@officercoolguy, Adam Toledo
@Sven and Otar, she's facing charges, i thought I made it clear I didn't think she should get off Scott free, I was trying to point out the disingenuous nature of this picture.
@sikkdog, are you white?
@Albatraous, No sir/ma'am/attack helicopter. Im Latino. 100% Mexicano del 956 carnal. Born and raised in Texas. I live on the southern border. Its called the Rio Grande Valley
@Albatraous, And we have hundreds of white state troopers down here because of the surge of illegal immigrant crossings. And the ones that have pulled me over (even though they pull me over for bullshjt reasons and i argue with them about it) have acted professionally. Theyre pulling everyone over for any little reason because they keep catching vehicles with 10-15 illegals stacked up in there. So they find what ever bs reason to pull you over. Its happened to me and after the whole gun thing is taken care of i let them know they are full of shjt for pulling me over. Reasons like driving too closely behind or not having your turn signal on long enough while doing a lane change. Stuff like that. And yea i give them crap about the stop but i comply with their orders. And no extra holes on my body yet. Sooo...
@sikkdog, I am glad the police arent so bad where you are.
-- downvoting for the Known racism that is present, or did you all forget about BLM?
@officercoolguy, except when you get a crooked cop, but body cams are making it harder for them to do their shït. Besides, it’s not the cops that write the laws they just enforce them. The politicians appoint police chiefs and write the laws, they’re responsible, which ultimately makes the voters responsible.
Stop voting for people that promise you free shït.
@sikkdog, geez, you have the ultimate white privilege, you get to be an oppressed minority! So jealous.
@sikkdog, also, how far are you from Boca Chica? Do you ever watch the SNx Starship launches?
@Albatraous, Actually so am i. Listen i dont disagree that there are cops out there that are racist fvcks just itching for the chance to shoot a POC. Or over react because they are dealing with a POC. And if gun laws actually affected the criminals id be all about it. But gun laws only affect people who actually obey the law. And thats where theres a huge divide. In my opinion (which i know doesnt mean much to anyone) we should make so that more people get proper training for handling a weapon. Not easier to acquire a weapon but so that people can be properly trained and it would help with the mass shootings and things like that. What idiot is going to walk into a store full of properly armed and trained people and start shooting? Hed be dead in seconds. As far as criminals getting weapons thats a whole different animal. These people get their hands on them easily and they are usually hot. Its close to impossible to stop the sale of illegal weapons. And as for cops, better training
@AverageIdiot, yep. Hilarious too.
@Albatraous, except he did have a gun, and ditched it like 1 sec before being shot. It's easy to see that the cop could ha e thought he was turning around on him to shoot
@Albatraous, not saying the cop is perfect, but this is hardly an example of a cop just executing someone with their hands up.
@officercoolguy, fair enough my man, as long as she gets what's coming and as long as we're all in agreement that mistakes like this should be severely punished, then I think we're on the same page here
Ignore this comment, Funny pics is being fvcky
@Snarfel Burger, I guess I'm not saying it can't happen, but I am saying someone that stupid should not be on the force, and should get the book thrown at them.
Building off your point, police reform and societal reform can happen at the same time. As a gun-loving libertarian type, no knock warrants should absolutely always be unconstitutional, cops should never have qualified immunity outside of maybe damages to personal property (obvs, if in a car chase a cop smashes through your fence or scrapes up your car, they shouldn't be held liable), quotas and using fines to drive up city/state revenue should be made illegal, and body cams should be mandatory and arrests while cams are off should be treated as suspicious and any killings should be treated as intentional manslaughter.
But, encouraging the public to be generally compliant and such should also be a fair thing to do. The issue is far too often police have been abusing their power and getting off with slaps on the wrist
@Sven and Otar, Police misconduct is hardly a problem when compared to misconduct by the general public. That is the real problem we face.
@Albatraous, You’re right, people shouldn’t have to be afraid of being shot by the cops (except when they’re shooting at the cops, I’m not talking about them). That’s the problem - both sides are scared that they’ll be shot by the other side, and scared people make bad decisions. (A cop sees a kid putting his hands up and thinks he’s raising a gun to shoot, so opens fire. Or an innocent driver thinks he’s going to be shot by the cops and flees, leading to a chase/shootout).
@officercoolguy, I think my problem with that argument is somehow “do exactly what a cop says” is echoed by the same people who live by “don’t tread on me” which are completely antithetical. Don’t let the government control you, unless we give guns to more or less moderately well trained people, then definitely let them control you without question.
@Snarfel Burger, okay but my tax dollars are only paying one of them so I feel like one of them should have more accountability to me, a tax payer
@SteveTheAlpaca, your dollars go to the general public too. Besides, that whole “my tax dollars pay your salary” crap people yell at police is nonsense. It would be impossible for every taxpayer to get to decide how they want law enforcement to be done and that’s ignoring the fact that police officers are tax paying citizens too. Not sure why you even said that, because the police ARE accountable. They have rules they have to follow whereas the criminals don’t.
My point about the general public needing some accountability is that we are extremely quick to Monday-morning quarterback every single instant-decision made by a police officer from the comfort of our smartphones while ignoring the fact that 99% of these high profile police shooting cases could have been avoided if the citizen had made different decisions. We never pull up a video, go frame by frame, and critique the choices made by the citizen, only the police officer.
@Snarfel Burger, sounds far more authoritarian than my libertarian views allow, so we're gonna have to disagree on that point.
The police are public servants and employed by the people, therefore they should be able to be held accountable by the people through the justice system and other forms of public office with elected officials and evidence to back it up like bodycams. That sounds far more American and freedom loving to me than saying police officers should be able to operate without oversight just because "trust us 😉".
If the military has stricter rules of engagement and much harsher followthrough on punishment for misdeeds and their job does not require them to uphold the pillar of innocent until proven guilty, then the police AT LEAST need to be held to that standard. No ifs. No ands. No buts.
That would be policy the founding fathers who hated authoritarian policing would love.
@Sven and Otar, not sure where I said anything to the contrary. You yourself said we can focus on two things at once. You’re doing the same thing leftists do, someone defends the police in general and you put words in my mouth like I’m saying, “just because ‘trust us’”. I never even implied that.
As to your statements about me being authoritarian. There is definitely a debate to be had about “no-knock-warrants” but they’re not unconstitutional. The Fourth Amendment protects you from illegal searches and seizures but if a judge issues a warrant to search a particular area of your possessions, the “no-knock” is actually for everyone’s protection. There have been a lot fewer firefights with no-knocks vs when cops announce their presence. The police should do whatever they can to preserve life.
Qualified immunity was put in place because cops were being sued for every little thing. Everyone fights their speeding tickets or DUI’s and people always want to blame the cop...
@Sven and Otar, quotas aren’t real. Atleast where I worked. Policing is a lot more decentralized than you people think. Departments are going to be very different from eachother, but I have NEVER heard of a department with “quotas”. If anyone is generating revenue for the towns, through fines, it’s the court system.
Body cams aren’t realistic for every department. The infrastructure required to store footage is too expensive for most mid-size to small town agencies. You wanna talk about tax hikes Mr. Libertarian?
Police killings ARE treated as potential manslaughter until the investigation is finished. In every police shooting instance, the police officer must turn in their gun, be put on leave, and an investigation is performed. Most the police “reforms” you want are already in place.
And no, the military does not have “stricter rules of engagement” than police. I have met too many cops, that were former military, that would disagree with that statement.
@Nellybert , for all those ppl that say he was just a kid how could these cops be afraid of him there r plenty of children out there shooting ppl and like u said as a cop your first thought should be I’m going home to my family I’m not gonna let some punk end my life for doing my job
@Snarfel Burger, You're right about the "trust us" thing, I did put that into your mouth, which is my bad I admit. I should not have assumed that was your opinion based purely on past experiences of arguing for police reform against those against it who use the circular logic of: "police are paragons of the law because they should be paragons of the law".
I believe that no-knock warrants do violate the spirit of the constitution. Just like the 2nd amendment in spirit intends for the citizens to be that armed militia, I believe unwarranted search and seizure intends that warrants be served openly to individuals who are under suspicion. I understand the moral argument against my position, but I do believe we have a duty to respect the rights of the individual as innocent until proven guilty that goes beyond the general desire to protect life and I say this as a man going through nursing school now.
@Snarfel Burger, As to qualified immunity, this is why I don't have an issue with it as a general idea, but in cases of wrongful death, if a doctor can be sued for wrongful death when they make a mistake that accidentally kills someone, a police officer ought to be under the same restrictions.
Quotas are real within my area anyway, having friends who are local cops admitting to such. Regularly, if theres a lack of fines and tickets in a month, the last day of the month hidden around building corners and bends around most popular country roads the local police are out there pulling over nearly everyone they can for any reason they can find. I understand that they have to do it, but it does exist.
I am actually okay with government spending and taxes in certain instances, I'm a small "l" libertarian in that I'm extremely for personal liberties and am generally against bigger government. I'd be perfectly content paying more for that in exchange to cuts to the military budget.
@Snarfel Burger, My issue with how current police killings are handled is that it's the police investigating itself, I'd much rather a separate and independent body be doing the investigation of police killings to ensure that all is as equitable and objective as possible. The issue is just common sense to me that you cannot reliably be objective investigating your own department no matter how large a department you're talking about. Better to have an outsider do the investigating in such cases.
I dunno what military they were in but for myself and those like my father and brother, we were never allowed to fire on the enemy unless fired upon or we went through a pretty exhaustive checklist of actions in almost all instances when guarding a position or acting in a police capacity. Granted, in a war zone, there's the potential for global/national escalation if we, the best-trained and equipped force in human history, make a mistake, but I'd argue American civilian lives should weigh more
@Sven and Otar, comparing army infantry to being a law enforcement is utterly ridiculous. The military has more opportunity to train during work hours than law enforcement. And you can't expect cops to do such training off the clock when they need to decompress and spend time with their families. They also have lives that they need to live. And unfortunately law enforcement agencies do not get the money to hire enough officers to allow for more training. Those officers need to be in the field.
It's also ridiculous to compare because a law enforcement officer needs to be be able to wear mini hats. A social worker, a therapist, a mental health clinician, a paramedic, a weapons expert and multiple weapons systems, an ace driver, a hand-to-hand fighter, an expert in the penal code, the vehicle code, the business and professions code, welfare and institutions code and others.
@Sven and Otar, In addition when the military goes into a potential combat situation they have their guns out and have access to things like air support, heavier weapons, armored vehicles.. cops are not able to do that.
All of that being said a cop also has the responsibility of knowing which weapon system they have in their hand. especially when they discharge it. In this particular instance I do agree that she should lose her job and face criminal charges. The death occurred through negligence. It sucks and it is tragic no matter which way you look at it. But that kind of mistake should never happen.
@Sven and Otar, American civilian lives do weigh more. Unfortunately people test the boundaries of what an officer would consider a potential deadly threat. People are emboldened to resist instead of comply. And that resistance needs to stop. 99% of these deaths would never have happened if there was no resistance. However instead of telling citizens not to resist community leaders are encouraging it.
Every peace officer I have ever met has a huge respect for the value of human life. Very few even want to be put in a position to take a human life. Every peace officer I know who has been forced to take a human life on duty or even been forced to discharge their firearm in the line of duty has suffered some sort of mental health issue because of it. Even ones were the officer obviously had no chance such as when they were taking fire. They still wonder if there is something else they could have done to prevent the situation.
@Sven and Otar, you want police officers to be sued for wrongful death, they often are (or jailed). In fact doctors are a bad example because they get away with more than police officers. In fact, the Johns Hopkins University published a study that medical malpractice was actually the 3rd leading cause of death (right up there with heart disease and cancer). Police wrongful deaths aren’t even close.
If by quotas, you mean supervisors use statistics to measure how proactive their officers are, then okay. But I don’t think there is an organization out there that has an official revenue generating policy. I think those types of quotas would be illegal, if not, they would be done away with quickly. You have to remember, police are government works, since when do government workers care about being thrifty?
Just to clarify, are you wanting the federal government to levy a tax to go toward local police departments? I really don’t think it’s...
@Sven and Otar, police departments? I really don’t think it’s fair that I should pay for NYPD to have bodycams.
Regarding police shootings being investigated by outside agencies, most of them are. It’s usually the smaller departments that have to rely on an Internal Affairs unit to do investigations. But those are usually overseen by a community advisory board made-up of citizens. They don’t report to the Chief/Sheriff.
First of all, thank you for you and your family’s service. Second of all, if you are in a police scenario and wait to be fired upon before you return fire, you are going to get yourself or your fellow officers killed.
@Snarfel Burger, When I say, police have stricter rules of engagement, it is precisely BECAUSE they are dealing with American citizens as you say. Police have an entire continuum of “use of force” that they must use when dealing with a suspect. Obviously, not all officers follow it properly, but not all military personnel act in the manner they were trained either (i.e Abu Ghraib). Police can’t just drone strike a gang hideout. Police have to keep departmental operating procedures, municipal codes, training, and even supreme court cases all in the back of their mind while dealing with a naked coked out scum back whose attacking people at a gas station.
One thing I heard from some police officers that had formerly served in Afghanistan is that “oversees you often didn’t know who the enemy was, whereas a police officer you almost NEVER know who the enemy is.”
@Sven and Otar, and she did.
I read an article on Reddit that said in all of 2020, in the USA, there were 18 days in which no police officer killed anybody. That’s it. 18 days.
@I Are Lebo, how many days did we go without a civilian killing another civilian? America is a violent country, of course it’s gonna happen alot. If you’re counting the entire country it’s a freaking warzone.
@Laugh Dammit, that’s kinda the whole problem...
@I Are Lebo, and how many of those ppl killed by cops were white cause I highly doubt they were all black
@I Are Lebo, If that’s the “whole problem” then why the hyperfocus on shootings by police? Why not turn your focus the other way around toward the bigger part of the problem?
Yes, because all of these situations involved the same officer