I’m sure these comments will be nice and respectful.
@weneedacrusade, I disagree with you!!!!
@weneedacrusade, your mother is a nice lady
@weneedacrusade, tbh I think everyone can agree that our healthcare system in the states is fvcked
@weneedacrusade, just grab the popcorn buddy. It will be a show and you can’t stop it.
@troubled panda, 🤭🍿 I’m willing to share. This oughta be good.
@BigJohnson86, how dare you say that about her. You know how proud she is about being the best whore in town.
So you take that back, right now.
@foenix, health insurance companies, yes. Healthcare system as a whole, no.
@weneedacrusade, impossible to know until you make one!
@BigJohnson86, you take that back!
America's health care is a disaster and if you think otherwise, you're wrong.
@Proactive Citizenry , Or, you’re an executive with share options in one of the healthcare providers.
@Proactive Citizenry , yes, but the only people at the mics are not having a conversation. They're just yelling about socializing the health industry. Which would make it worse some how. We've been on the slow decline since government artificially stemmed the supply of doctors. Then making the fees till the end calls for the necessity to have insurance. Even if it's cheaper to not be insured.
This is why Obamacare is a Monumental failure.
I think my points are simple. 1.Prices up front.
(It sucks to have an occasion where somebody is forced to pay for an emergency. But to have the ability to shop around for less life threatening ordeals would be great for the lower class.)
2. Loosen the restrictions on becoming a practicing doctor.
(By my understanding, it's a craps shoot for people to get accepted as doctors. But I know we have a hard cap on doctors.)
3. If the other two are met than insurance should only be needed for the unpredictable.
@That one lurker, finally someone who articulated it
@That one lurker, wait... just so I understand, it seems like you're saying that the answer is to just give lower quality healthcare to the poor, and I wouldn't think anyone would support that.
@ThePandaPool , not exactly. Think of it in economical terms. Medicine is a high-demand field, but doctors are in low supply, so their time is very valuable.
Rarity + Scarcity = mo money
The problem with the circumstance is that scarcity is being controlled.
Price controlling specifically is socialist/communist, because it represents a controlled market.
The idea behind it is to keep the price of something we're you want it.
The cherry industry will dump a ton or two of cherries to keep them from becoming to cheap. But that there is artificially inflating the price.
So what I'm saying, if I am correct the government controls the amount of doctors at any given time. This means there's no competition.
I.e. my previous steps. Allow doctors to fight over the patience cash and you'll see prices drop, with a slight drop in quality.
Reason being, I would rather have someone be treated for broken leg immediately, then to have them wait three years like in socialist countries.
@That one lurker, yea, you lost me at drop in quality, and that whole 3 years to get treated in Canada fallacy.
@ThePandaPool , doctors have a success rates of 93%, I can't remember where I got this data, but in the same study it said cops was at 97%. Success being measured against accidents that would kill a citizen with no provocation.
If these numbers are true.
And if these numbers purely related to the amount of care an individual received. What would be the total you would be fine with if less ment more treated but more means less treated?
Also, Canada thing is not a fallacy, at most it's hyperbolic. Since they have "death tribunals" where people are evaluated based upon their usefulness instead of based upon their means as to what level of care they receive and how fast.
An old person they break their hip, but since they're retired they see a doctor to talk about it in 3to9 months. Not to cure it, just for x-rays.
It's so bad that they had to set up "super hospitals" that run off the American system.
My whole point in the matter is simple. Hamburgers are great. If you want them cheap, buy them cheap. Want something better, buy something better.
That's why I'm saying pricing upfront.
Because we're at a stage where penicillin is like water, some drugs less expensive than that. The expense is seeing the doctor in the first place.
Make the cheaper and you improve the base level of care across the entire country.
@Proactive Citizenry , if you think insurance companies and government regulations protecting them aren’t to blame, then you’re wrong.
@Proactive Citizenry , but this is false. I’ve literally called my insurance before many decisions and always have the price. My American health care is wonderful. My wife’s is better. Have you ever considered yourself to be the one in the wrong?
@That one lurker, yeah currently the prices for emergencies are listed on everyone’s policies. You just have to do your research.
Americans are just too proud to admit there's so much wrong with their country. I have more freedoms in Scotland than they do in USA
@Kaywinnet, minus freedom of speech, right to bear arms... wow the two big ones. You litterally dont even have the right to defend your own life or speak your mind, but sure you have more freedoms than us. Lmao.
@CocoasBro, it's probably a case of opinion anyway, we can agree to disagree :)
@Kaywinnet, Well I can anyway.
@Kaywinnet, but how many guns do you have.
@x2 6x 9 lol, it took ONE school shooting for a law reform. If you need a gun, you can get one. But they don't sell them at Walmart lol.
@CocoasBro, I’d personally rather afford healthcare that isn’t cheaper cut off the arm and leg I’m trying to save America has the most free speech but that doesn’t mean other countries lack it entirely
@CocoasBro, I’d personally rather afford healthcare that isn’t cheaper cut off the arm and leg I’m trying to save America has the most free speech but that doesn’t mean other countries lack it entirely also it’s so obvious that corporations run this country it’s not funny anyone who denies it is either in denial or a brainwashed moron
@Kaywinnet, I love how he acts as if he knows your country and its laws better than you do. Classic coco. Trying to reason with him is folly, but its fun to watch him flail around with his nonsense sometimes.
@Mantis Tobaggan, I mean different folks are gonna have different opinions, especially on such diverse topics as healthcare and gun control. My point was kind of how all people should question if they really get what they need from their country. And IMHO I don't think Americans really fight for what's considered basic rights in other countries like mine. Education, healthcare, clean frickin water, stable power grids, a benefit system, the right to roam (limited to Scotland) etc. Basic human needs should be a given, for a population to thrive and be happy. But alas, this is just one wee Scots opinion
@Kaywinnet, I gotcha. I was just warning you not to waste your time on him if you're expecting a reasonable debate or anything.
Also, what is "right to roam"?
@Mantis Tobaggan, ah, well I do enjoy a nice debate but I'll take your advice.
And its basically that the Scottish have the rights to most of the land for recreation, ie you can walk onto a land owners area, and camp. And a lot of our land is protected, especially the hills, lochs and Highlands etc.
@Kaywinnet, Asking as a fellow Brit - does the whole 2A thing confuse you too? We get told we “don’t have the right to defend our own life” but I’ve literally never been in a situation (or know anyone who has been in a situation) where a gun would have been helpful. Only people I’ve ever even seen carrying a gun over here were armed police/military. Do they think that our streets are full of heavily armed criminals, and defenceless civilians or something?
@Nellybert , Self defence is treated vastly different in the UK to other countries, and personally its one of the things I'd probably change. I'd allow people to carry at least a mace or something. But again, looking at the statistics, most of these self defence items are just abused in other countries and used offensively. Violence is always going to be a part of human life when people aren't happy, the lesser access to weapons those people have, the better imho
@Kaywinnet, oh ok I gotcha. Is there a limit? I'd imagine you can't just camp on someone's doorstep lol
@Mantis Tobaggan, well we wouldn't anyway, majority of the people who use the right to roam respect the land they're on, close gates etc.
@eleven, "dude id rather be arrested for wrongthink and be pay more in taxes!!"- you
@Kaywinnet, my dislike was pointed at your snide comment about our access to guns and school shootings.
I've retracted it since we may have a different definition of specifically "school shooting."
Since data for US statistics are heavily biased against the ownership of fire arms. To the point that they counted a guy who committed suicide in a parking lot at a decommissioned school.
I'm of the persuasion that a swift goverment is a terrifying one.
Could you give a brief description of the circumstance, the weapon, and the reform.
@That one lurker, Hmm this could be a complex debate. But I would deem it any shooting at a school, but this isn't the only type of gun crime where innocent people become the victim. I'm not against guns actually, if you hunt and keep them stored correctly by all means go for it. Maybe just no handguns or automatic weapons, or even just stricter checks would help?
Here we had a shooting called the Dunblane shooting, a man took a handgun to a school and kids died. The laws were changed after that. In fact we now need a license from the police to own air guns after a stray pellet killed an infant. Like I said though, very complicated situation and I'm going to be biad by the fact I live in Scotland. If I lived in USA I'd probably try hunting
@eleven, as much as I disagree with confrontational nature of cocos comments. It's true.
Other countries have conditional speech.
I.e. Irish blasphemy laws, Britain's woke isms, nazi discussions in Germany, or even something as simple as a joke in Scotland.
The reason why this needs to be pressed home is simple. Looking at the count of a former commie named "Count Dankula" on youtube.
He posted a video where he said "My girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is so I thought I would turn him into the least cute thing I could think of, which is a Nazi."
Then showed a video of her pug doing trained solutes to key phase "hail Hitler" and getting excited for walks with "gas the j@ws."
This man was brought to court, dragged throw the mud and was forced to become a political figure. Because he shared it to his five subscribers, all of whom was his irl friends.
Three years in the courts, every paper dragging his name, while pointing harassment at an...
@That one lurker, any people who would hire him.
All for it to come out that no one raised a complaint under the 2003 Communications act. When the claimed party was reached a month in the trial they stated they didn't know or care about the event, and that they was not offended by the video.
THE STATE USED IT AS PRETEXT, faked outcry to go after this nobody for being edgy.
That is why I'm with coco on this. Cause these "countrys" are not free.
As for your final statement ofcouse there are. It's been that way for a while. It's also one of the reasons why I hate the dems and 2000 era reps.
@Kaywinnet, the main concerned about gun control specifically, is that where it's tryed in the US it fails horrificly.
To be specific we have no "meaningful" access to automatic weapons. The majority of crimes are done with handguns.
A few ways to police handguns would be implementing stop-and-frisk laws, which the left finds racist. Or letting legal gun owners to be able to carry, which the left finds confounding.
I'm personally concealed carry license owner, and with how long it took I found the process lacking. The only good it gives me is the ability to buy guns and walk out with them on the same day. Since the license itself acts as a background check.
But that's all stepping past the point. The main cross road is the fact that the second amendment in our constitution states
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I would hate for you to have not had read it.
@Kaywinnet, the point I press, is that it has nothing to do with hunting. But more to do with defending the states against foreign and domestic threats. Included a tyrannical government.
Benjamin Franklin, a diplomat and fame pattonair once made a comment of our system.
" a democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what what we had for breakfast. A republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote."
It's even came to our current president, saying the American people would only need Ar-15s and tactical nukes to take on the US goverment.
Which means I'll be getting a mini nuke license soon. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@That one lurker, I think we probably won't meet in this middle on this issue, but it was really interesting hearing your perspective. Have a lovely day!
@Kaywinnet, there's not much of a middle any more to be had nowadays. It's sad to say really. All I would like is for you and your friends/family have the ability and opportunity to defend themselves in a active shooter scenario.
In a broad oversimplification, "laws only effect people that follow them."
People are ingenuitive, if they want something bad enough they'll find a way to do it. Even when it comes to killing people.
I think specifically about the acid attacks that have been affecting British kids.
Because guns don't kill people. People kill people.
@CocoasBro, I’m sorry what? It’s not wrongthink America has the most freedom with speech however notice that most other countries limit a couple of things there’s a slight difference. Also it’s always taxes taxes taxes with you people. Maybe we should force corporations to pay their fair share of taxes first instead of increasing taxes on the common folk. Everything is always wrong on the other side best to ignore them and assume I’m right. Hey here’s an idea how about you think your own thoughts instead just parroting what your parents and chosen politicians say. Independent thought is not hard. Whether my ideas are stupid or brilliant at least they’re my own
@eleven, Yeah dude limiting speech so you cant critisize certain things are essentially wrongthink/ Blasphemy laws. You litterally cannot critisize certain idealogies in certain nations. Lefty nations how morally repugnant is it to throw a person in jail for disagreeing with you.
@Kaywinnet, Hahahahha!!!! No you don’t. You can got to jail for saying mean things in the privacy of your home. Scotland is a nightmare.
@Kaywinnet, yeah they do. Shotguns and rifles only though
@eleven, well said and very sad how accurate it is
@Kaywinnet, I’m gonna warn you now, American conservatives (coco and lurker) won’t back up their claim.
That’s the major problem with the US to many people won’t listen to professionals. It’s the Dunning Kruger effect.
(We also have the democrats that do nothing and the republicans which are…well they’re fascists).
@MrTuxPenguin, Back up your claims here then. What professionals are the majority of Americans not listening to, on what topics? And please, tell me how Republicans are Facists. The second one is going to be really interesting to hear.
@thatoneguymaybe, Let’s start with all the doctors saying that you should take the Covid vaccine.
Or the fact that the right is trying to push the ideal That collages try to indoctrinate and brain wash you to believe in leftist ideals.
The right isn’t a bad as nazis. I just needed something far right to compare them to.
@MrTuxPenguin, I'm going to assume you by "all of the doctors saying you should take..", you mean all the doctors that are saying that?
Because it's most definitely not a consensus among doctors.
If that is what you mean, then I'll counter with this.
Perhaps it's because they are listening to different professionals?
I posed that as a question, but it's really more of a statement.
They don't agree with the professionals that are being lauded as the arbiters of truth right now.
If you don't see how colleges are bastions of leftist ideals, I'm not sure how you missed it.
I can understand you not hearing about all of the cases where students were ridiculed, and given bad grades because they didn't reflect the leftist ideals of the professors.
It's not reported by the mainstream, and leftist alt media.
Do you know how many professors are left VS right? There is a heavy skew, and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
You need to explain how they are anything like Facists.
@thatoneguymaybe, Point proved.
Conservatives don’t trust professionals because “they’re biased”. No education. No media.
@MrTuxPenguin, Ah, so because they don't believe the same professionals, education, and media, as you, they are wrong?
You have proven my point, you are closed-minded to the possibility that the world isn't the way you have been fed to believe it is, that you would rather accuse someone who challenges your worldview of being stupid, and crazy, but not fight on the merits.
You decided to try and get your cheapshot in, but it just exploded in your face showing your true colors.
I thought we could have a proper discussion, but you have to get past your elementary school mind when it comes to reality.
Shame, I thought we could get somewhere.
@thatoneguymaybe, You’re right. I’m in a mood right now. Please, which professionals are saying don’t take the Covid vaccine?
I have the FDA,
John Hopkins hospital
With featured members such as Lisa Lockerd Maragakis, M.D., M.P.H. And Gabor David Kelen, M.D. consulting on it.
Anthony Fauci (of course)
And the majority (96%) of doctors recommend getting the vaccine.
Sonja Bartolome M.D was one the first to get the shot and she answered your questions here
But that’s just from Google.
@thatoneguymaybe, These are from duck duck go
Fox News says nothing good, but nothing bad either.
And here’s one shooting down Carl Tucjetson’s misinformation on the vaccine.
I apologize for generalizing and coming across as harsh. Which professionals say not to take the vaccine?
@thatoneguymaybe, I’d also appreciate that if you make a statement like “kids get ridiculed in school because their conservatives” you have some proof to back it up. Otherwise it’s a conspiracy and not valid.
And it’s conspiracies like that that make people not trust professionals. People that literally spend their lives learning about that topic. That go to school for that topic.
Instead of everything being a conspiracy, that literally everyone is in on it to turn you communist, isn’t it more likely that you’re just wrong? Not to be mean, but Occam’s razor.
@MrTuxPenguin, You know we can't click, or copy any links right?
I'm certainly not typing each of those by hand.
However, regardless of how safe the CDC, JH, and Fauci(The man who hasn't practiced medicine in 40+ years) they want to claim it is, we have hardly any evidence to back that up.
The FDA only gave it Emergency Approval, and we have no idea of long-term affects.
We have seen a lot of information about people having reactions to those with the vaccine, and a number of people dying from the vaccine.
However those instances are labeled "Misinformation". If it wasn't for people having firsthand, or secondhand experience with it, they would be successful at eliminating the information.
For example, I personally know people who had reactions the vaccine, or from being around Vaccinated people.
Here is a link you can't copy or click, but it has sources to talk about the banning and removal of "misinformation".
@MrTuxPenguin, I actually took the time to type that last link in your first comment, it proved to be as uninsightful as expected.
It simply claims that 96% of the surveyed physicians had been vaccinated. All 301 of them.
Of those that said they wouldn't get it, they listed familiar reasons for not wanting it "It's too new, and has unknown long-term effects".
The sample size is far too small to be of any real consequence. Plus you can see that even doctors are hesitant for the same reasons.
I actually work with doctors a lot, and a fair number don't think people should get it. Some are forced to by the hospital they work at, or by the office they work at, but more than 4% in my experience (I know, it's anecdotal) have problems with it.
One of the biggest reasons I asked the question, was because there is never 100% agreement in the medical community. But you seem to think if someone thinks differently than the mainstream(Or the advertised mainstream), they are automatically wrong.
@MrTuxPenguin, I can paste a bunch of links here, that you can't copy, or click, just so you see them, unless you want to type them all.
@MrTuxPenguin, Continuing with just general issues at colleges
The PragerU pages have the Facts and Sources as well, just so you know.
@MrTuxPenguin, Also, here are a few names of Professionals that are advocating you don't get the vaccine.
Dr. Andrew Kaufman
Dr. Hilde De Smet
Dr. Nils R Fosse
Dr. Elizabeth Evans
Dr. Mohammad Adil
Dr. Vernon Coleman
Dr. R Zac Cox
Dr. Anna Forbes
Dr. Ralf ER Sundberg
Dr. Johan Denis
Dr. Daniel Cullum
Dr. Anne Fierlafijn
Dr. Tom Cowan
Dr. Kevin Corbett
Dr. Carrie Madej
Dr. Barre Lando
Dr. Kate Shemirani
Dr. Sandy Lunoe
Dr. Piotr Rubas
Dr. Natalia Prego Cancelo
Dr. Rashid Buttar
Dr. Nour De San
Dr. Kelly Brogan
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Dr. Heiko Santelmann
Dr. Margareta Griesz-Brisson
Dr. Mikael Nordfors
Dr. Elke F. De Klerk
Prof. Konstantin Pavlidis
Prof. Dolores Cahill
Just to name a few. They certainly aren't all.
A lot are scared to speak out. Perhaps for fear they may lose their license, like with HCQ, or Ivermetin. Despite them actually working.
@thatoneguymaybe, Oh yea I know. But it’s something right? It’s just to show that I’m not making it up If you have a discord I always recommend that.
So louder with crowder isn’t a reliable source. He’s strictly conservative and this is more prone to bias in his statements. Proof: that link only talks about the JnJ vaccine (one of three) where 6 cases of blood clots showed up after 6.8 million doses.
Weighing in on this is Natalia Neparidez MD Katherine Harvey MD and Robert Bona MD. I’d trust them over crowder.
Do you have any other links?
I get that people are weary of it. Honestly I do. But it’s been out for over a year (longer than the polio vaccine was in testing) and no zombies (or anything else of note). The JnJ shot got approved again.
I know there isn’t 100% of anything in anything haha. But it comes down to, who do you trust? (Not you specifically) but conservatives don’t trust the news, media, or
@thatoneguymaybe, or collages (where every doctor has gone). So I am genuinely curious, why do you trust crowder but not Cody Johnston? Why trust Fox but not AP News?
So the Adams court thing. Just to make sure I got this straight, Adams wrote an op Ed claiming that this girl (Meghani) is just playing the victim because she claims she’s LGBT. (A harsh op Ed from what the article says). And because she started receiving death threats from Adam’s supporters, The school decided to fire him. (Never mind the fact that over 2,000 people said he spits bigoted remarks which should be against school codes) He then sues the school claiming they where decimating because of his views? Isn’t that a little hypocritical of him? He says that she’s trying to fit into as many victim categories as possible but then plays the victim card himself? Did I get this right?
@MrTuxPenguin, I just thought I would mention it, because I knew you would have some issues with mine.
I recommended Discord with another conversation, but that never started up.
Forget whether you believe LWC is a reliable source. They have sources linked, that are from a large variety of different sources, ranging from the left to right.
I also, only used that link, as described, to show you how much information was being scrubbed from the internet that didn't agree with what the "Correct Professionals" said.
However AstroZenica's vaccine is also linked to clotting.
The Vaccine hasn't been out longer than a year. It came out in November/December of last year.
Also, saying "We haven't seen anything bad yet" Doesn't equal safe.
Despite the fact that we have seen bad reactions since it was rolled out.
That link of course relies on it being properly reported, but we can't be guaranteed all cases of been reported.
@thatoneguymaybe, It doesn’t get any more biased than Preageru. Every founder is a starch rich conservative. Literally no bipartisan.
Andrew Kaufman- psychiatrist who first denied the virus, then claimed it’ll change your DNA and that wearing a mask is bad for you.
Why didn’t you just link me the website you pulled all these names from? Most of them aren’t even American. I thought we were talking about the American vaccine. Don’t be dishonest with.
Hilde de Smet- features on busting bad doctors.
Nils R Fosse- “This is not a real pandemic”. Didn’t age well.
Elizabeth Evans- retired doctor who thinks mRNA vaccine is a “new”.
R zac Cox- dentist
I could go on but why?
@MrTuxPenguin, I don't trust Fox, I don't trust AP.
I trust sources, logic, and common sense.
He wrote an opinionated editorial. He has every right to speak his mind.
The school fired him because other people allegedly decided to send death threats.
That's a problem, because he didn't call anyone to do it, so why should he be punished?
Regardless of the number of people that claim something, it doesn't change the fact that he said something that wasn't bigoted.
He said something factual.
He won the lawsuit, because he was in the right.
Is this the only one you had a problem with, let's ignore this one, the rest are fine for you?
By the way, equating trying to fit into as many victim categories as possible, and saying you are a victim in one instance, is nonsense.
@MrTuxPenguin, Oh, as if the crappy excuse for a comedian Samantha Bee is somehow a bastion of truth.
As I stated before, the sources are what is important, not the method you reach them.
Overlook that it's PragerU for a minute, and read the Facts&Sources section.
You need to learn to get past partisanship, and actually look at facts, and reason.
Go ahead, refute the sources on PragerU.
You are starting to sound like you are saying that only leftist publications, and media are correct, and anything to the right is wrong.
@thatoneguymaybe, You quickly Google doctors who didn’t agree with the Covid vaccine and didn’t read any of the information didn’t you. Come on.
@Kaywinnet, that’s because you don’t know what freedom means at all. It doesn’t mean you are allowed to do more things. It means you are allowed to get further ahead for your family without government intervention. America is still #1 though quickly falling thanks to our commie politicians.
*$1800 without insurance
Americans: "pay a few taxes so everyone in the country gets completely free health care? Not on my watch!!"
Also Americans: "Pay an expensive monthly premium out if my checks, plus pay co-pays AND deductibles for insurance that won't cover all my expenses??" *orgasms in freedom*
these people are actual morons, and I can say that because I'm american.
my roommate, with health insurance. was charged $500 out of pocket for signing into the ER to wait to see a doctor and then leaving beforehand because he suddenly felt better. his insurance didn't cover it because nothing actually happened at the hospital but they still charged him just for showing up and getting his blood pressure taken (which is free in any pharmacy)
@Shmay Fish, “pay a few taxes...” you’re the moron. Your solution will result in far less access to medicine over all.
You’re right the system is broken, but the government administration of healthcare is the one solution that will make it worse than broken.
How about instead we abolish health insurance and return to a direct interaction between patients and pharmacists, doctors, and nurses? They provide services with the costs clearly laid out and people decide who and what services they want. No third party paying for anything.
@Shmay Fish, And yet you have people like hot coffee not taking the time to research and find out that overall, (if you include all the health insurance payments) Americans pay more than any other well developed country.
Yeah, healthcare is the worst of both worlds. We have zero const transparency and therefore no free market, but it isn't provided by the gov't either. The insurance companies just have the entire country over a barrel.
@Branth, where are you people getting zero cost transparency? My healthcare has a list of everything. So does my wife’s.
Thanks Obama. We could actually afford Healthcare until Obama came along.
@thatoneguymaybe, that 2010 hit us like a ton of bricks….. without insurance.
Actually you can prepay for many expected occurrences, like an elective surgery or childbirth. And if you do it's far cheaper
BASED get fukt amercringe
I literally had this happen to me. $450 at the visit, then I got two bills later for a total $1,800. The pills they gave me made me sick. So I went to an acupuncturist and he fixed my back pain right up for $35.
@riidii, and you were in pain and didn’t realize what you were signing. There’s always extra bills for the separate fees, which are provided up front if you ask enough.
@Child Slapper, there was nothing signed at the time. They told me $450 and charged my card right there. I get better billing communication from my car mechanic. I accept my responsibility and canceled that sh!t. "Fool me once..." I know it was all disclosed in the fine print of my insurance plan, but I don't have two doctorate degrees, one each in medicine and law. Again, if my car mechanic can do a good job of full pricing disclosure, I guess expecting a multi-billion dollar health care provider to do the same is on me somehow. I'm glad you're smart enough to never get tricked.
@riidii, if you don’t read the fine print, that’s your fuсking fault. I don’t have any degrees but these fuсkers don’t fool me. That’s why at my job I’m in charge of selecting the right companies to partner with. Because I do my research.