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@Snarfel Burger, exaggeration is the basis of comedy
@Snarfel Burger, yeah, cops shoot far more people then they bump into. Everyone knows that
@Snarfel Burger, it's a joke, kid.
@I Are Lebo, I’m aware, but so is truth
@SWAT the fireman, I’m also aware it’s meant to be a joke. But the casual joking about it makes it seem like there’s a kernel of truth to it, there’s not. The false narrative is getting both police and the people they interact with killed. I might sound dramatic, but someone should point it out.
@Snarfel Burger, we all know it's a joke. Honestly, I'm not convinced the FTP and ACAB folks even believe what they say. I think it's a fad and everyone has taken the identity of those with whom they choose to identify. For them, it's cool to hate the cops, for some reason. To say "all cops want to do is shoot people", is so far from the truth, that it's become a meme. To me, it's funny because it's so far from the truth. It has no truthful backing, yet because people have claimed it to be so, it's funny. To me, it's funny because it jokes the ACAB folks for making baseless claims.
@SWAT the fireman, I would like to think so but lethal ambushes on police are up about 90% from last year. This hateful rhetoric is creeping into the mainstream consciousness and it’s having real world effects. I know it’s a joke and as a police officer even I find it kinda funny, but I also appreciate someone taking the time to point out that it’s untrue, because some people believe it.
@SWAT the fireman, I don’t think most people on here DO think it’s a joke. I hope they all think like you, but most people believe the narrative that cops are trigger happy when in fact there are millions of high intense interactions that go just fine. Letting everyone think that you even have a moderate statistical likelihood of being shot by police is dangerous for everyone. It makes every interaction with an officer even more tense. I get the joke, but like Lebo said “comedy has a basis in exaggeration” comedy also has a basis in truth and people will start to think there’s truth to the jokes.
@tampon thief, thanks! Glad someone got that I wasn’t trying to be an unfunny buzzkill! And I appreciate what you do sir! Tried it for about 4 months and it wasn’t for me.
@SWAT the fireman, its not a joke when the “joke” is being broadcasted by all msm and millions of dumb fvcks listen.
@SWAT the fireman, the problem is politicians aren’t very smart and they are in charge of making laws.
@Snarfel Burger, “Police in the United States kill far more people than do police in other advanced industrial democracies”
I’m just gonna leave this right here.
@MMSieBreeze, “Police in the United States kill far more people than do police in other advanced industrial democracies”
Don’t mind me. Just passing through.
@SWAT the fireman, Yea only extremists really believe in ACAB. Generalization is a fallacy from the get go. But if you’re curious…
“Police in the United States kill far more people than do police in other advanced industrial democracies”
@MrTuxPenguin, Of the millions of police interactions that happen yearly, you have a .003% chance of dying from the police (that’s if you’re even in an interaction with them). For context, you’re more likely to die in a car crash, from a gun assault, or from medical malpractice.
Tux, you are absolutely cursed with only looking for sources that may justify what you already want to be true.
“In 2020 there were 1,021 fatal police shootings.”
Are you alright with that? 1,000 people a year just dead? You don’t wanna try to do anything about that?
We’re trying to make cars safer. Why shouldn’t police too?
@Snarfel Burger, Also, ironic
The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is a conservative 501 non-profit American think tank focused on domestic policy and urban affairs, established in Manhattan in 1977 by Antony Fisher and William J. Casey. Wikipedia
Your pull is from a conservative think tank.
@MrTuxPenguin, And all 1,021 of those shootings were unjustified? You should go on a few ride alongs. Are you alright with the suffering that victims of crime have to endure? I know you’re not, don’t put words in my mouth like i’m okay with people dying.
And don’t just tell me “this source is conservative” actually tell what’s wrong with it? Where is it inaccurate? There are tons of sub sources listed, are they all inaccurate? Because one of them was the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
@Snarfel Burger, So I’m not trying to get into one or long debates. I don’t have time. (I finally went back to work full time! Aren’t you happy for me?)
But I’m sure some of them were justified, no countries perfect. But how do we know that they’re not justified? We only have the word of the office since the other guys dead. All I’m saying is we can do better.
So I don’t know if that statistic is true or not, sounds about right. What I’m bringing up is that you called me out for confirmation bias (when I used a non bias source) while you used a bias source. It’s the contradiction for me.
@MrTuxPenguin, jesus christ guys really? All this from a goddamn meme?
@Snarfel Burger, the problem isn’t that 0.03% of interactions with the police end lethally for the civilian. The problem is a pattern of police officers exhibiting lethal, and often entirely unnecessary force, regularly, onto innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and then are not being held accountable for it.
If a police officer executes a no knock warrant on the wrong house, in plain clothes, without identifying themself, and then slaughters the occupants of the house they just invaded, that officer should go to prison for murder, because that’s what that would be if literally anyone else did that.
That’s the problem. The cops are shooting men in their car with their children watching. They’re gunning down people barbecuing in their grandma’s backyard. They’re ordering someone to crawl along the floor of a hotel to get the opportunity to end them. And a lot of them are not being held responsible. They aren’t arrested, many of them aren’t even fired.
Or if they are fired, they just get rehired at another precinct and no one is the wiser.
It’s the same deal as with the rapist priests and the Catholic Church. Any organization that protects abusers shares responsibility for the abuse, and the American legal system coddles corrupt cops.
@Medic135, Apparently so. But hey, I didn’t start it. I just end it 😎.
@I Are Lebo, That .003% number matters. You can find a thousand examples of the behavior you just mentioned and that’s still not enough to be statistically relevant. There are so many interactions with police on a daily basis, across the country, that don’t end like Daniel Shaver. Police don’t get the credit for the 99.9% of the time when they exhibit the utmost professionalism. Because of the advent of the internet and national media, where someone in Idaho can watch a botched traffic stop in Chicago, it makes it seem like abuse of power is happening all the time at an alarming rate. Again, for context, John Hopkins released a study a couple years back that showed medical errors have become the third leading cause of U.S. deaths. Yet, we don’t have people burning buildings, ambushing doctors, and coming on here like MrTuxPenguin to bleat for medical reform.
People misunderstand how policing in America works. Our police organizations are completely decentralized compared with the...
@I Are Lebo, Catholic church. If there is an issue in a local department, that is that community’s responsibility to fix it. We don’t need sweeping police reform in Texas because of something that happened in Minneapolis and I definitely don’t want a national police force beholden to the federal government. These thousands of departments across the country are not created equal. Some are rotten from the top to the bottom and some display exceptional professionalism. Some are abundant in resources and can have their own paid training academies with frequent inservice training throughout an officer’s career while some can barely afford to hire more officers and provide them with the latest tools to do their jobs.
From the outside, it looks like we need police reform, but the police are already always reforming. Departments take the best ideas from eachother and try to avoid the mistakes their counterparts make. Policing has professionalized more and more with each passing decade...
@I Are Lebo, As with anyone who deigns to defend the work of law enforcement, I should have prefaced all this with saying, I don’t think all police are good and I do think they have too much power to overstep our Constitutional rights. But they are not unaccountable like so many people claim. The “bad apples” are put away or removed a lot more often than people admit. Qualified Immunity is not a shield that’s giving police license to kill with impunity. It’s to protect them from frivolous lawsuits from almost every single person they try to hold accountable, from people who get DUI’s all the way to murderers. If we were to get rid of qualified immunity (especially in today’s age of no personal accountability) then no one would be left being a cop. As much as naive libertarians and dumb anarchists would love that, it would be a disaster.
@MrTuxPenguin, It wasn’t that bad and I wasn’t being a wind bag before you came along. What do you mean you didn’t “start it?”. You also didn’t “end it” you specifically told me you didn’t want to get into a discussion and I will GLADLY oblige.
@Medic135, move along then
@Snarfel Burger, I was being funny with the end it thing. Trying to at least. I do that sometimes. Sorry.
Also about the police thing, you don’t get praised for doing your job. (Something that just is with society but…)
@MrTuxPenguin, Unless you’re a school teacher or a nurse, because then society can’t seem to praise you enough for doing your job.
You also shouldn’t be tarnished by society just because a few people in your profession mess up. Like I’ve said, doctors mistakenly kill people more than the police kill people and we’re not marching in parades and burning buildings to protest them. (Before you get any ideas, nor should we).
@Snarfel Burger, teachers don’t get enough credit because they’re SEVERELY underpaid. You should also see how many lawsuits doctors get.
Isn’t that the beach of society? The few can ruin it for the many.
But if you want more credit, don’t be a cop. If you want you want people to praise you, being a cop isn’t the right field. With that being said, there are tons of videos online of cops interacting with the community they’re supposed to be protecting and serving. (In my opinion) that’s what cops should be. A part of their community. Not just in their neighborhood or the people they choose to be around, but everyone. Regardless of race, class, deformities, or toppings on pizza. And that’s not what we have right now.
In feudal Japan, to calm uprisings, samurais/cops would live in the area they protect. Here, they live in the suburbs and commute to the city. To them, Because of News and such, they’re going into enemy territory.
Fun fact: that last fact came from a cop I know.
@Snarfel Burger, So I just remembered you said that you did (or are doing) police work. So from me to you (genuinely) thank you for not abusing your power. You could of and gotten away with it. The fact that you didn’t prove that no matter your political beliefs I think you are a good person.
@MrTuxPenguin, Cops are also “severely underpaid” and also suffer countless frivolous lawsuits (that’s why qualified immunity was implemented in the first place).
Yes, the few CAN ruin it for the many but that shouldn’t be the case. Teachers in California commit a higher ratio of child molestations than priest in the Catholic church. Yet no one looks down on teachers as a whole because of that.
I’m not calling for cops to be “praised” for doing their jobs. I’m calling for out of context, exaggerated, ignorant, and blatantly false, narratives about the profession to stop. It’s getting both citizens and cops killed.
You say cops should be a part of their communities regardless of race. Did you know there is a higher percentage of black police officers than there are black Americans in the general population?
If you want more cops to live in the cities, then stop the demonizing of police so more people will apply for the job.
I appreciate your compliment and I assure you...
@MrTuxPenguin, in the short time I worked for a police department, I was probably acquainted with over 200 officers. The worst one I met got fired for lying about his overtime. The others were spectacular citizens.
@Snarfel Burger, You sly dog. You got me monologuing!
But I agree, The few shouldn’t ruin it for the many. That’s why I agree in abolishing the electoral college. A republication President hasn’t won the popular vote since Reagan. (Not including bush’s 2nd run).
Would you be for raising the minimum wage then? Everyone is underpaid. Everyone says that. No one can afford healthcare, or school, or a house. That’s what the left has been trying to say.
I’d also like to see where you’re getting your teachers moleste more kids facts from. And the black police percentage.
Also again, no one saying to abolish the police. Defund the police means to cut the amount of funding they get for military equipment. Not to cut their pay. Two different things.
@Snarfel Burger, I know the majority of police are good people just doing their jobs. The few ruin it for the many. It sucks. But when it comes to human lives, everything becomes much more serious. Records show that the few who ruin it for the rest aren’t being held accountable. That’s what it’s about. It’s not about you or your good co-workers. I know that sounds bad, but the left is going after the bad cops that are out there. And they are out there.
I haven’t done any research on the teacher thing, but if it’s true, dam straight we should be cracking down on that too. But we also need to take turns. Right now it’s cops. Next time it’ll be teachers, or priests, or Boy Scout leaders. One problem at a time.
If the goal is utopia, then that means digging deep into our problems. All of them. And when my career is being scrutinized by the left, I’ll be supporting to rat out the bad apples as well. (Though I don’t know how carpentry can have bad apples).
@Snarfel Burger, So I quickly googled the teacher thing and it’s the exact thing of what’s happening with bad police.
US today is pretty centered but slate News is a far left News site. And you agree with them. Less than 1% of teachers (I think it said) are ruining it for the rest of them. It’s sick.
The problem now is how do we fix it?
@MrTuxPenguin, The electoral college doesn’t really have anything to do with what we were talking about “the few ruining it for the many”. The electoral college is a system in our representative democracy that prevents tyranny of the majority. It forces our elected leader to represent a larger amount of culturally different regions. The President has to be palpable to a few people all over the country instead of palpable to a couple highly dense areas. It was also a way to keep the states from being so subservient to the federal government or the other big states. Same reason why they never should have passed the 17th amendment. I’m confused, why’d you say no republican has won the popular vote since Reagan and then mentioned Bush winning his 2nd run? You do know Bush Sr. also won the popular vote in 1988? A better thing to have said could be, “no Republican has won the popular vote since George W Bush.”
No, i’m not for raising the minimum wage. Raising minimum wage has never...
@MrTuxPenguin, Helped stop inflation. Inflation is caused for different reasons but hiking the minimum wage never helps solve the issue, it typically makes it worse.
I didn’t say people were calling to abolish the police (although they are/were calling for that) they’re only now backpeddling because it’s hurting them politically. Not even sure what “cut their amount of funding” even means. Police departments are locally ran. They’re not funded by the federal government. If some town somewhere wants their police to have military tanks while another town wants them to use sticks and stones, then that’s the locality’s choice. I just always wonder why the same people who what more qualified police officers want to simultaneously take away their funding?...
@MrTuxPenguin, The left is NOT just “going after the bad cops” they have been demonizing the profession for years. Trust me, it’s been felt by the police for years, they’d know it better than anyone. You said “the few ruin it for the many... when it comes to human lives everything becomes more serious” but then you still haven't responded to why aren’t there marches, protests, buildings being burned, etc to combat doctors killing their patients. They get “away with it” more than police. It’s not really the “few” bad cops that are ruining it for the rest. It’s the people who don’t have enough maturity to recognize nuance that put all the sins of a few cops on the many, along with a WHOLE lot of lies.
You say we should “take turns” and only focus on the police and not the teachers and other professions that do wrong. But why? We can do more than one thing at a time. What is the end goal for the policing profession?...
@MrTuxPenguin, When are they good enough for us to move our hatred to someone else? What is the standard? What about the damage being caused while we’re hyper-focused on one thing? No, I think the police do better than we give them credit for.
Side note, our goal should not be “utopia”. That’s unreachable here on Earth and too many evil things are done in the name of the “greater good”. Oh, and carpentry can have bad apples, lol. My dad has done it my whole life and has known plenty of carpenters that have no problem scamming people out of their money and livelihoods and providing a sh!tty service.
@Snarfel Burger, That’s true. They can scam people. Didn’t think of that one haha.
So I’m gonna come out and just say it. You’ve been listening to too much propaganda. The left isn’t going after everyone. It is only the bad cops. Why would they go for anyone else. I should know better than you. I’m in the discussions.
Police are paid by tax payers. That’s government. It’s on a smaller scale but still government. When the “gov” come for your guns, you really think it’s gonna be Biden knocking on your door?
The left isn’t the enemy. It’s not about left vs right. It’s about us vs the elites.
@MrTuxPenguin, You’re serious? I’m not embellishing, how many times i’ve heard the phrase (pretty sure you may have uttered it yourself) “there are no good cops because the so-called good cops protect the bad cops”. I have heard this countless times. Yes, the left hate cops in general. Maybe you don’t, but your political side has proven it time and time again with their actions.
Because doctors aren’t paid by tax payers (YET, I know you’d like them to be) that means them killing someone isn’t as bad? When police come to my door to unconstitutionally disarm me, then I will hate those specific officers and hopefully have the courage to respond in kind to them and attempt to take their guns away.
There can be more than one enemy. In general the left ARE the elites and vice versa.
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