This is why you should train if you carry. If you're gonna carry something that can kill, you better be prepared to 1) use it and 2) deal with the consequences of using said thing that can kill. Carrying a gun is one thing; effectively using it when needed is a whole different story. Just because you can carry a gun doesn't make you instantly safe. If you have little idea of how to use a gun, you shouldn't be carrying it at all, imo.
@The Lifeguard, when I got a concealed carry permit, most of the class was about when and where it was legal to carry. The only part about handling a gun was demonstrating you knew what the trigger was and which end went bang. Sadly, most of the people in that class probably left thinking they'd go full John Wick in an emergency.
@Kurian, sadly a lot of people think once they get a ccw they can use it for stupid things. Someone cut you off in traffic? Let’s point a gun at them. Someone tries to steal your phone? Let’s unload a full mag at them. It’s ridiculous.
@The Lifeguard, this is why we need more firearm education, not restrictions on firearms
@Kurian, they didn’t at least have a shoot requirement? Mine was super easy but they said that 1 person a week usually failed. You literally just had to put it in the 8 ring for all your shots 7m and in to pass. Don’t think I saw anyone miss that until 15m
@Gallchobhair, my dad got taught to shoot in school. But that was the 60’s so there’s a real chance they were just training them for nam
@BigJohnson86, only thing necessary was firing a few very low powered rounds (below .22lr, IIRC) from a revolver into a shot trap. Should note it was a class at a gun show, and looking back is not the type of class I'd recommend or approve of letting being conducted. Fortunately I knew safe gun handling loooong before taking the class, but first time gun owners wouldn't have gotten there money's worth out of it.
@BigJohnson86, that sounds awesome. Proper education and training in schools sounds amazing
@Gallchobhair, I once said to a guy from US that guns are too easy to obtain and rarely do you need any training, while they should have training and his response to me was, "it's not easy, and we do. You have to get a background check."
@ Ump89, that is correct. Even the most lack states have background checks. And almost all who get guns have proper training, maybe not formal training but proper training. It honestly isn’t difficult training either
@Kurian, "Trigger make gun go boom" That was basically the concealed carry class I took. Half of it was where you can't carry (which is very important, to be fair) and the other half was basically an advertisement for carry insurance. Roughly ten minutes was spent on firearm safety and handling and oof that's concerning to me.
@Gallchobhair, That's how I feel. I'm not too hot on constitutional carry for the reason of I don't want uneducated people carrying guns in public. Shall issue permits with a mandatory training class is the way I think it should be. Hell, make the class free from the state. I'll pay taxes for that to make sure Buford doesn't shoot someone accidentally at a Walmart.
@ Ump89, also most gun ranges will make you go through an hour long firearm range safety video before you can even go there the first time.
@Mag3rPayne, I had to do an 8 hour course for non-restricted, 8 hour course for restricted, (this is only if you become a range member) a 9 hour day at the range going over all of the course info again, and 3 different supervised shootings to become a member. :))
I'm pretty sure it's the same in the states, you don't have to be a member at a range, AND only most ranges make sure you know how to use a gun? So again, my fear is not everyone having proper understanding of what a firearm will do. It's spooky.
As long is it's more than the other commenter who says his course was just "This end go boom. :)"... That's kind of silly.
@ Ump89, I just saw the one video of the 2 guys at a range and the newbie takes his phone out to take a selfie of him pointing a gun at his friends head. Range officer slams the gun hand down on the the table and immediately ejects the pair from the range.
@Mag3rPayne, like... That kind of stuff is so scary... I couldn't be friends with that person anymore. Why would you point a loaded gun at your friend's head? Why would you point an unloaded gun at your friend's head even? Unless it's like, nerf? Always assume a firearm is loaded. Don't point them at people. It's not hard. 😡
ejects the pair, not a round but still stands*
@ Ump89, I meant ejected the pair of friends from the range...
@The Lifeguard, we feel differently. I don’t want the government in control of whether or not I’m armed. It’s a right, not a privilege. I fully support firearm education, but the government shouldn’t be allowed to “issue” me the ability to exercise my rights
@ Ump89, I have heard plenty of horror stories from gun ranges, alot of people are very safe with their firearms but some people are dumb its typically not that bad you just remember the morons much like you don't remember every driver you interact with but you remember the jackass that cut you off. Though I do think firearm education and training should be cheaper and more commonplace.
"Because you don't know how to do B-E, the fact that you can do A is invalid."
I carry because I work in a dangerous area and safety is a concern. Never had to even think about drawing my weapon (maybe once, but it was a dog) in the past 5 years, but I would much rather it be unused in my holster than in a safe at the house when I absolutely need it.
Most people don’t know how to properly extinguish a raging grease fire properly, but there they go, frying chicken in a stove pan.
@Jakespeare, hey put a lid on it
Um I know how to do all of those. So am I good to carry?
Who doesnt know how to put out a fire?
But... I can do those things...
Anytime I consider getting a gun for safety, I remind myself that it’s not like I’m gonna walk around everywhere (basically anywhere) with a gun on me. Only case i’d use it is if there was a home invasion, AND I had time to grab it. I feel like it’s much more likely for my safety to be threatened on the streets than someone to break in
No one expects a ranger to know cure spells, elemental sorcery, or support skills either. The argument that you only know how to one of the those 4 skills makes you a loot drop can also be applied if you only know first aid, how to put out a fire, or how to stay calm under extreme stress.
Maybe instead of using the tautology you heard from Reddit and other social media platforms, you should make funnier memes instead
I thankfully know all of them, and carry. I'm also an NRA Pistol Instructor, so I teach people how to properly, and safely use firearms all the time.
But none of the above is needed to carry. It would be a nice bonus, but not needed.
Not writing a paragraph for this have a good day everyone 😊.
I know this will start something but it must seriously suck to be in America not knowing if you’re going to be in a mass shooting.
@TheMediocreHulk, The actual statistical likelihood that you’ll be shot in America when you discount suicides and gang violence is so low that you might as well start worrying about getting attacked by sharks while you’re at it (mild hyperbole). The only thing I fear is having fear weaponized against the masses to strip us of our rights.
@TheMediocreHulk, it's nothing like the media spins it. Of everywhere I've been the place that I was most fearful was while in Europe. Made it out of 2 campaigns in Afghanistan without a scratch due to enemy actions. Been perfectly fine living in the south and in Utah surrounded by firearms. Yet I was stabbed in Spain and held at knife point in England.
@DesignatedElfWhipper, then why do you all have guns if it’s so safe
@TheMediocreHulk, same point as a condom. Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The founding idea is that the people have the right to be armed and take action against the governing body should that body become tyrannical, this extends as having the right to defend your life, and a firearm is the best choice for that in the modern world
@Gallchobhair, so you have guns because other people have guns.
@TheMediocreHulk, i have guns because it’s my right to do so, I don’t need to provide reason. However, if that gun can help me protect myself and those i care about then i’ll carry as many as i can.
@TheMediocreHulk, To reiterate the other guy’s point, it’s probably the most common misconception that the point of the second amendment is to allow you to protect yourself from other citizens. You can be used for that, and it’s your right, sure, but the primary purpose always has been to allow the citizens to overthrow the government should they decide it has become tyrannical and no longer serves the people. To this end there is no justification valid enough to strip the people of their right to bear arms, as the only meaningful purpose the government might have to do so is to make it easier to strip the citizens of other rights. As stated gun violence in America outside of gang violence is extremely rare, and therefore I find it to be completely unreasonable to strip the people of such an incredibly important right simply to reduce an already borderline non-problem.
@DesignatedElfWhipper, Not to mention it’s completely unenforcable. America is geographically massive, and we already have a culture that’s heavily steeped in appreciation for firearms, so hardly anyone is going to turn in their guns willingly. Not to mention MANY states would outright refuse to enforce a federal law that flagrantly trounces on the constitution. The feds would literally need to go door to door and try to take the guns away personally, which is A not feasible, and B, gonna end with a whole lot of shot up alphabet boys.
@TheMediocreHulk, if no one else had guns, including the government, then I too will no longer need to own a gun. Till then, I do.
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Now, I'm hoping you're not just a pussy with a gun in your hand.
Oh no, sir, no I am not. No, I'm a tough guy with a pussy in my hand.
This would kinda make sense if there weren't 500,000+ known cases of self defense with a firearm every year in America but, you know, gotta slip that anti-gun culture in where you can
Wel if I don’t carry them I I got nothing and I on have a gun. At least a gun can help me not get griefed
I’ve been in the industry for close to a decade and am always learning. proper defensive training is unfortunately difficult to ascertain for the uninformed because there’s a lot of jokers out there. The primaryandsecondary website is a great resource to find reputable training.