This is my feeling with student loans…
Typically bribery means it’s something you shouldn’t be doing
@theduuuude, amen and awoman
@theduuuude, and when a corrupt government is the one doing the bribing instead of being bribed, maybe you should think twice.
@theduuuude, all the more reason to do it. I'm such a delinquent
@spongeblade, yes but counterpoint....theyre offering free liquor for vaccinations in some states
@theduuuude, especially when your governor is threatening to go door to door and force unvax people into a truck and make them take the vax. And the real scary thing is that there are sheep out there who will defend this. Not to mention, PEOPLE WHO GET VACCINATED CAN STILL GET COVID! ITS NOT FDA APPROVED, AND THERES NO GUARANTEE THATS ITS ANY BETTER THAN YOUR OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM. AND YOU HAVE 97.5% CHANCE OF RECOVERY. So please, do tell me what’s the point of getting it other than the big man telling you to
@theduuuude, the best is theyre bribing us with our own money. And what’s not ours theyre just printing and we’ll end up paying for it later
@Sterling M Archer, there is proof that it prevents death and hospitalization. Would be nice if our hospitals could be used for normal illnesses and injuries instead of having to turn those people away because they're too busy helping the (vastly mostly unvaccinated) covid patients...
@spongeblade, I get a tax break for owning a house and raising a kid. Same rules apply there too?
@Scuzzinator, lol nice false equivalency. Also, last I checked you weren't treated like a monster/threatened with imprisonment/banned from living a normal life if you decline the governments "generous" offer of a tax break letting you keep your own money. But that's what they want to do if you don't get an ineffective vaccine.
@Amethyst Sky, and there’s proof that people can still get sick and die after getting vaxed. So again, what’s the point. And to further reiterate my point, there have been many reports from nurses saying they’ve been told to mark patients to have covid even though they weren’t infected. As well as having patients dying from other causes but automatically marked as covid death. You can’t tell me something fishy isn’t going on here. And now the government wants to pay people to take a vax that isn’t FDA approved, and like I said you have a 97.5% chance of recovering from. Like, sure if you want to go and get it then sure, by all means. Especially if you have underlying health conditions and you’ll feel better if you do. It’s your life you can do what you want. But when they’re basically forcing people to get vax or else, especially in NY, something is just not right.
@Amethyst Sky, oh, and apparently covid and the new Delta strain is so bad that apparently it’s ok for Obama to celebrate his 60th birthday with 700 guests. That makes sense right?
Edit: never mind, he scaled it back to family and friends due to backlash. But it only happened after he got called out for his hypocrisy. If that didn’t happened I guarantee you, he would’ve kept the 700. I only know this because when the lockdown was going on, the very same officials that was telling the public to stay 6ft apart and wear masks at all times, were the very same who got caught having social gatherings during the pandemic. So the hypocrisy is running deep here and many turn a blind eye to it
@spongeblade, it’s not a false equivalency. Our government has a long history of using financial incentives to encourage behaviors that it considers good for society. As another example, we use 401k’s to encourage saving for retirement.
It sounds like your big issue is with the way anti-vaxxers (here just talking about covid, not other vaccines) get looked down on socially, and I don’t really care enough to argue about that. But that is a separate issue.
@Scuzzinator, it's very much a false equivalency. Those incentives you're mentioning are very optional and there's no punishment for not using them. With the covid Vax the goverment is shutting down you business, trying to stop you from even going grocery shopping, harassing people, ostracized them, they want to fine and imprison people, etc. If you can't see why that's a difference then there's no point talking with you. And to be clear it's not a separate issue when the government is saying "do this or get punished".
@Sterling M Archer, Do you understand how vaccines work? They train your body to recognise the virus, so that if you catch it your immune system can produce an effective response quickly. No vaccine stops you catching a virus - that would been the job of hand sanitisers etc - they help your immune system kill it quickly if you do catch it. That’s the point. Instead of the virus getting time to multiply and make you really ill, your immune system recognises it (because of the vaccine) and kills it quickly. So it stops you getting seriously ill.
@spongeblade, High numbers of Covid cases mean that - amongst other things - businesses close, people die, and other countries close their borders to you. The government needs to get vaccine numbers up to get the economy working normally again, both for the benefit of the population and the IRS.
@Nellybert , geez, the hate and misinformation on vaccines in this app are astounding
@Nellybert , I’m well aware of that. I’m all for vax when they’re really needed but this whole covid thing, is way over blown. As I’ve said there’s no guarantee that the vax is any better than your own immune system. I should know since I’ve caught it and so have my friends and family, we’ve all recovered just fine and some of us got natural immunity. Also to further my point, vax takes a few years to test out its results. Not a year or less. But I’ve repeated myself enough. So agree to disagree
@ZeldasHero, geez, the amount of the sheep incapable of thinking for themselves on this app is quite sad actually
@ZeldasHero, unfortunately this app is starting to get lots of 4chan and QAnon overflow, and its unfortunately gonna be the downfall of this app...
""there's no guarantee that it's better than you're immune system"
I still can't believe people are saying this. The vaccine itself doesn't stop the disease. The vaccine trains your immune system to fight the disease by exposing a weaker/altered version of it. So saying "the vaccine isn't even better than youre immune system" is kind of just dumb.
And let's say that you're right and we SHOULDNT take it. Why? Literally all I've heard every time this comes up is "they're putting 5G/chips into our blood to track us!". We've all been carrying the only tracking device they've ever needed most of our lives.
@BrenadryI, *Gives some reasons* Why? I've only heard about 5G Chips!
Depsite that irony, maybe because there are currently known side effects, and impossible to know possible future side effects of an unapproved, and very untested vaccine.
I'm not anti-vax, but for this one, I can't trust it, because the science is not in yet. Or else it would be approved, and have plenty of testing.
People have died from it, people still get badly sick with the virus while having it, and people have adverse reaction to it, or those that have it.
I don't, just a few reasons.
Let's just pump our bodies full of something we don't know, just to save ourselves from about a 2% chance of dying!
@ThePandaPool , The "downfall of this app" and society is going to be due to the dum@$$es that keep believing in the revolving door of lies by a corrupt government. The "conspiracy theorists" are the ones trying to force a useless vaccine and destroying anybody that doesn't comply. People like you keep demonizing anybody who believes their own lying eyes. And the things you say "need to be done to end this" is a line that only gets pushed further and further back.
2 weeks to stop the curve.
Wear a mask
Ok masks don't work wear 2 masks.
Ok get the Vax.
Ok Vax and wear a mask
Ok the Vax doesn't work, delta variant aggggghhhhhhh!
Time for a booster Vax!
F#$%ing dumb@$s sheep
@spongeblade, well that struck a chord. Lol. Next time you're thinking you should go on a rant like that just say "hey, you're right" because that's all that you just conveyed.
oh, and constantly upvoting yourself really helps your credibility. lol
@ThePandaPool , holy crap you're an arrogant pos. Every other post you're on here whining about every person you don't like. "Hey you're right" lol you have some of the worst takes on this app because they're either pulled straight off a political ad or straight out your @$$. As for the upvoting, it seems to trigger the arrogant halfwits like you, so I enjoy doing it.
@spongeblade, lol. Look at you go. Still upvoting yourself, and I can picture you stomping your feet as you type. Lol. Like I'm gonna read this drivel.
@ThePandaPool , lol sorry to hear you can't read. Best of luck to ya.
@spongeblade, poor little basement dweller got butthurt. Too bad.
@spongeblade, ever consider it was that a majority decided to not do these things it has been going on so long?
Yourargument is pointing to a past of people politicizing wearing cloth over their faces, yelling it’s an infringement of rights, not even attempting to follow the suggestions made to prevent the spread and screaming ‘see it didn’t work!’ Yet you caused it not to work by not doing it.
@thatoneguymaybe, 2% is 1 in 50. Let’s be conservative and say that half the US catches it. 165 million. Divide by 50. 3.3 million dead. That’s essentially like everyone in the state of Iowa dying.
@Sterling M Archer, n-nobody's proposing to round you up in a truck. They're literally giving out donuts in the hopes that maybe it would be enough to penetrate the fragile egos of the antivax community, and convince them to do the right fvcking thing
@Doctor Walrus, funny thing is they're using the same tactics that they use to get people to donate blood. Soon these nutjobs are gonna try to convince everyone that donating is evil too.
@BrenadryI, I see that you are uninformed on the COVID vaccine. It does not use any part of the COVID virus like how other vaccines use a dead version of the virus. So one’s own immune system being better is actually fact not opinion. It has even been proven scientifically. Source:
Edit: as for how the COVID vaccine actually works, it uses a protein that will attach itself the same way COVID does. No part of the vaccine actually comes from COVID. It is all imitation to trick your body into responding sooner.
@ThatGuyx79, that still means the vaccine is doing what it’s supposed to.
@Sterling M Archer, "better than your own immune system"... bruh... do you even know how vaccines work?
@Sterling M Archer, You keep mentioning that it's not FDA approved... but then also claiming that the government is pushing it? If they really wanted to force people into it with some shady dealings, don't you think they would have fast-tracked or bypassed the FDA tests and already had it approved?
@Doctor Walrus, if you don't think they're proposing rounding people up and forcing them to take the Vax, then I suggest you listen to what our government is actually saying. Or just look at other countries that want to do the same thing.
You know what really makes people wary of a crappy vaccine? Being told you're evil and that you'll be forced to do it anyways. Then being called crazy for actually thinking dipfvcks like you meant what you said 5 seconds ago. My goodness how fvcking stupid are you?
@ThePandaPool , lmao you really are an arrogant pos. The nutjobs are people like you that think they know everything and claim their own sh%$$y opinions are fact so everybody else must comply or be silenced.
@Q-Anon, awww. Somebody needs a nap? Your mom not get you the pizza rolls you asked for? Your waifu pillow shoot you down last night? I can even see you flailing your arms as you throw this little temper fit.
@ThePandaPool , lol pos like you can't even think of a decent argument so you just make crap up. Must be miserable to live with that much hate and stupidity.
@Cloverleaf, no where in my comment do I say it doesn’t work. Only that natural immunity is more effective. Since the COVID vaccine is only imitating COVID it is not as effective at combating variant strains like naturally recovering from the virus does.
@Aegis, they did. The only way to get emergency authorization, was to make sure there's no other solutions. That's why anyone with a different treatment has been removed from any sort of media. There's an early ambulatory care, that's proven more effective and safe than vaccines, but then vaccines would lose their emergency status, and big pharma would lose all that easy money.
@werp zerp snickel, I think you're entirely missing the point of what I've said.
If there was some super shady dealings from the government to get people to take these vaccines (an entirely tinfoil hat notion simply on the merits of what might be gained to do so), why would they have not just simply had the FDA (a branch of said supposedly shady government) declare it to have been tested and safe?
@BrenadryI, this is literally how the flu vaccine works, and the anti-vax conspiritards on here will freak out whenever I say it's literally impossible to get the flu from the vaccine, same as the covid vaccine.
@ThePandaPool , isn't that the jehovah witness belief? I'm pretty sure they are against blood donation.
@LyricTerror, I know what you're talking about, but for the life of me I cant remember which religion it is. Maybe Christian scientists too?
@ThePandaPool , wouldn't be surprised if both religions were against it.
@spongeblade, holy crap. I just noticed you're still going. Lol. As though you think I'm reading ANY of this.
@LyricTerror, lol. Same.
@ThePandaPool , I know you're reading it because your dumb @$$ keeps replying lol.
@Cloverleaf, This is in no way meant to sound inconsiderate, or uncaring. It's simply a question. So?
I mean, why would you risk death, or even up to severe reactions of a vaccine, for a virus that maybe 3.3 Million die from in the US if it reached that number.
I don't understand that argument of get vaccinated with an untested injection, and maybe save some people(Even the vaccinated still get it, and still die from it. Yes I realize they claim its Delta being different, but I haven't seen any data that suggests than can, and routinely do differentiate the strains in tests, to prove that's it.
Not to mention they claimed the vaccine was to help against it, but conveniently we need to get a booster(that they were already talking about doing before Delta) to "protect" you.).
I mean, there is so much that doesn't add up, and so much that at least we don't know. (Or they don't tell us)
@thatoneguymaybe, so you’d risk a 2% chance of death from a virus over a, 0.0005% chance of allergic reaction, a 0.0003% chance of thrombosis, 0.0019% chance of deadly reaction, and a 0.0011% chance of GBS from the vaccine? There’s millions of doses administered already. And your denial of what’s been shown so far….you’re the type that thinks that once something is said, them saying something different later after new information comes up means they lied. That’s painfully obvious.
@ZeldasHero, hey don’t lump the rest of us in with him
@BrenadryI, ooof. You’re right. That part did slip my mind in all of this. To be clear, not for or against it entirel, I’m against the officials basically forcing people to get it. If you want to go to certain places you to have to be vaxed. If you want to keep certain jobs you have to be vaxed. A vax thats not FDA approved. From a disease that they say is so dangerous that they tell people to stay 6ft apart and wear masks and close businesses, while they have social gatherings. And from my own experience, I know our own immune system can handle it by itself. I don’t believe it’s as deadly as the media makes it out to look given all the reports of false positives from nurses and doctors. I’m ranting and I’m a little drunk. Point is, I’m not entirely against the vax, I’m against the hypocrisy and the people that defend such hypocrisy
@BrenadryI, and the fact that I’m worried about the people who have taken something that isn’t fully tested, may end up being worse for them down the line
@Q-Anon, look at you go. I told you I'm not reading these comments and you keep going. I should start counting. Lol
@Sterling M Archer, you see, your issue is your viewpoint on where it’s affecting is rather small.
Also, remember the fact that businesses, which are generally privately owned, have the right to refuse service to anyone, so long as it’s reason is not racially motivated.
Plus, who’s closing businesses? Not the government. It’s the owners.
Beyond that, I’d look at who specifically in Congress was and is being hypocritical about the requirements. You might notice the ones being hypocritical tend to not give a flying fvck for anyone but themselves
@Cloverleaf, ....are you forgetting the fact that there was a whole lockdown that the whole country was on lockdown for 4-6 months?? And due to that business had to be closed down because there was no money coming in, leading to job losses, leading to an increase on suicides.
And with the NYC vax pass, you’re required to be vaxed to enter all restaurants, gyms, and indoor venues.
And for the 100th time I’m saying this, a virus, unless you have underlying health problems, you have a very high recovery rate. Not to mention all the false reports of covid deaths. So the number of “deaths” could be far, far lower than what we’re told
@ThePandaPool , "I'm not reading these comments"
*Pandas dumb@$$ keeps replying*
@theduuuude, well that and something you typically should be doing but the only thing that motivates you is money like mr. Scrooge before the ghost visits
@Sterling M Archer, then you are a fool. Nothing more, nothing less. I wonder if you’ll change tune if someone close to you gets hospitalized by it….that is if there is anyone close to you.
@Sterling M Archer, I'm not really sure why "there's proof that people can still get sick and die after getting vaxxed" is a more valid point to you than the fact that it vastly decreases the chance of getting sick and dying. For a comparison, are seatbelts pointless because people still die in car accidents?
@Sterling M Archer, why else are there more deaths in general than, if not accounting for the recorded cause of death? Do you think the government has simply made up people that are dying? Or that there is a different secret reason that so many more people have died during the pandemic than previous years?
@Cloverleaf, clearly, you haven’t been reading my comments. And I’d rather be a fool who points out hypocritical bullshït than a blind sheep who follows hypocritical bullshït
@Sterling M Archer, oh, so basically because they base a new determination on new evidence, which is like a core fundamental point of science in general, you think they’re lying cause what they’re saying now is different from before. To you, the concept of research is looking up similar minded individuals agreeing with you, cause once said EVERYTHING is set in stone. That is why you are a fool, because you cannot accept things change.
Remember, this pandemic hit the globe. And wouldn’t you know, countries that actually followed the guidelines as well as got vaccinated are the best off regarding it. So don’t think it’s a conspiracy by the government to control you, cause that’s gonna require global cooperation to lie to you, and we’ve started fights over the dumbest things in the past.
@Cloverleaf, Sorry for the delay. But where did you get your numbers from on those chances?
Actually, we keep seeing new information released that proves they lied. Like the Fauci Emails, the CDC only now developing a test that can differentiate between COVID, and the Flu.
I don't know about you, but I actually pay attention to what is happening, and research things before believing them.
@thatoneguymaybe, pulled directly from the cdc website. And honestly, tell me, as someone else pointed out. Why, oh why, would whole world lie, about the pandemic?
And really now, what’s your research path? Accredited studies? Includes blind trials, months of rigorous study? Was the source you researched funded by a group with specific interests?
Let me guess, you didn’t check any of that.
@Cloverleaf, There is quite a lot of money in what has been done. Did you not see how much corporations made last year? Or how about control through fear? A less than 2% chance of dying, yet everyone is freaking out.
The fact you asked that question suggests you don't pay much attention, or are willfully ignorant of current events.
I look at it all. From conspiracy to accredited studies. You need to see everything to get a complete picture, and be able to sort fact from fiction.
If you only check specific sources all of the time, you just allow yourself to be lied to, if said source deviated from the truth at all.
For example, the CDC faked Florida's case numbers the other day, by combining multiple days cases into one.
Only when Florida came after them, did they kind of fix it.
Yet the CDC is a bastion of truth, and we can trust them, right?
Will you address what I said about the CDC, and Fauci?
Let me guess, you didn't check any of that?
@thatoneguymaybe, uhh, no, what happened in Florida is that they started to report the numbers confirmed only at the end of the day, and then quietly change them later when numbers increased as harder to confirm cases caused an increase. Trying to make the narrative that there was fewer deaths. Clearly you’re not paying attention yourself.
To explain it. Say five hundred die of covid, but they only were able to confirm 50 that same day. Florida started officially and openly reporting the fifty confirmed that day, then quietly edit the numbers later to 500 once the rest are confirmed
@Cloverleaf, Not at all what happened. I'm not sure where you get your info from, but Florida reported one number. CDC reported way higher.
Then Florida complained, and CDC reported a reduced number, that was only slightly higher than the state report.
That being only one sliver of the problems happening.
You also claim that Florida is trying to manipulate to lower the numbers, but the CDC and Gov are trying to inflate the numbers to make it seem worse. Even their inflated numbers aren't that bad..
@thatoneguymaybe, tell me, exactly, what you expect to be gained from them lying to you. What does the CDC gain from spreading misinformation? Cause to you, there has to be a reason for everything. And I can tell you a very simple reason why FL is much more likely the one lying here. That’s the need to retain control of power in FL, and trying to convince people it’s not bad down there to increase tourism is a major driving factor.
Meanwhile, what do you think the CDC gains if they’re lying? Cause they’ve been consistent on their story based in the results of actual research. And if you say ‘to keep the sheep in line’ or something to that effect, remind me again which group is currently taking livestock dewormer over a vaccine.
@Cloverleaf, You have already tried to take the biggest option off the table.
Whule simultaneously trying to claim Florida is doing it.
Control is obviously a large potential factor.
But let's look beyond that. Let's not try to guess the reasons why they may do something. Because we don't know exactly what they are thinking.
Let's see if they are actually doing something.
We have seen them manipulate data, and have to correct after being told it's wrong, but even then, they don't correct entirely.
They have restricted long term proven medicines, and helped get doctors to lose their license for trying to prescribe them. They have then pushed for an untested, short lived vaccine that we are seeing isn't doing much. Since people are dying, and still getting it.
The CDC couldn't be consistent on anything. Especially masks.
The fact you claim they base their story on "actual research", while changing their story, and banning longtime proven via research drugs/medicines, is laughable.
@Cloverleaf, Am I expecting you to change your mind on this? No.
I'm simply trying to instill a bit more skepticism into you, so you can look at it from a different perspective, and perhaps be able to see the truth, that isn't entirely one way or the other.
Blindly believing the government and media is a horrible idea. But not everything is the opposite.
I know that, but it seems you may need to learn a bit. No offense.
@thatoneguymaybe, your issue is that information changes as time goes on. New information about the virus comes along and as tests are done ways to prevent spread are adjusted. It’s not them being inconsistent. It’s them modifying based on new information.
And so you’re now just shoveling similar drivel and not answering my questions at all. You’re avoiding the one line of questioning I asked you earlier. You’re wasting time, and any shred of credibility you may have, when you can’t back up your own theories.
@Cloverleaf, No, because the data, and information didn't change. Some did, but they haven't provided any data to the public that makes sense with their changes. In fact, all the data we see shows they have just been inconsistent with no reason.
I would completely understand if it was just changed based on new information, that's how the process should work.
But we don't have proof of that.
What questions have I not answered?
It's amusing you would say that, while you avoid my questions, and my points quite a bit.
Its also amusing that you have the audacity to claim I'M wasting time, and any shred of credibility, when you cannot answer my questions, my points, or show any real information to back up your claims.
If you want people to take you seriously, make a good argument, or get any respect. You have to check and be sure you are not accusing someone of the very thing you are doing.
You just come across as a pseudo-intellectual.
@Cloverleaf, If you want to continue this discussion at all, I suggest a different venue. This comment section is crap for formatting, and any real length replies. Not to mention link sharing is non-existent.
According to the CDC less than 30% of the black community has received the Covid vaccine. With states like NY and CA mandating vaccine passports to enter restaurants and businesses African Americans will be most affected by this modern day segregation.
@Sexy Homunculus, yup, I saw that too. And isn’t it funny (saying that ironically) that the majority of blacks votes for Democrats because that’s kinda the norm in a sense, for them to do so. Yet it’s also the democrats who passed the Crime Bill when Clinton was in office and who else signed off on the bill? *gasp!* it was Joe Biden! (For the sheep who don’t know about the crime bill look that up)
and as Candace Owens recently posted *ahem*
“Can anybody point me to that one time in history where the one side that was demanding censorship, segregation, propaganda, radical education, papers to moves freely in society, plus government forces going door to door to demand compliance were the good guys?”
*Pssst* in case the sleeping sheep didn’t catch that, that’s a lot like Nazi Germany. Ooof. And as long as they use the fear of covid, and censorship, the public going along with it, it’s only gonna get worse from here
@Sexy Homunculus, and hell, fückin France has the BALLS to rebel against their government for denying individuals who aren’t vax entry to restaurants, businesses, grocery stores etc. that’s why all the rioting is going on over there.
When France is showing bigger balls than us, that’s how I know we’re fücked and how the majority of our population, especially men, have been “neutered”
@Sterling M Archer, boy you sure are good at taking reality and twisting it into something it isn’t.
@Sexy Homunculus, I mean it doesn’t help every time a government tries to get more POC people Vaxxed a whole lot of people starts screaming about reverse racism and how the “left” hate white people or bring up random facts about it’s the “same amount as white people” so they shouldn’t go first.
@Sexy Homunculus, you make it sound like people aren't letting the black community get vaccinated calling it segregation
@Thone09, and those same white people pull a Wakefraud (Wakefield) and go into black communities to fearmonger them out of vaccinating. He did that in Missouri and it devastated that entire community with a severe measles outbreak.
Lol anti-vaxxers showing their whole asses on here. You love to see it.
I dont understand. Were people paying to get vaccinated?
@Codeine, lots of states had drawings for various amounts of money for people they got vaccinated. Ohio had 5 one million dollar winners and 5 college scholarships for example.
@Zorb, so it was a lottery?
@Codeine, nah the opposite a decent amount of places now pay people to get vaccinated
@Yung Saltine Cracker, still sounds weird. In Australia, we're behind but vaccines are free
@Codeine, they are free in the US I think what he saltine cracker is saying is there must be cash incentives some places too. Where I lived the state did a lottery.
@Codeine, in New York City right now you get a $100 visa gift card with your first dose most places
Let me fix that: Government: gives MY money to people to get vaccinated.
So my finance's step dad has covid after getting the vaccine. I don't know what to make of that...
I'm not trying to push a narrative.
@goforthe2, you can still get it but the symptoms are minimal and there’s 99.9% chance you won’t die from it.
A virus so deadly and scary, that they are resorting to bribery for people to get a vaccine….