Are people not aware we spend more on socialized healthcare than those 2 countries entire gdp combined?
@BigJohnson86, are you not aware that unaffordable medical costs are the number one cause for American bankruptcy claims?
The fact that you spend the most doesn’t mean you have the best. It means you’re the most inefficient with your money.
@I Are Lebo, thats because US does the most research in medical care. A lot of what we find gets shared with the rest of the world. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of inefficiencies but we are getting better especially with the recent advancements in personalized Healthcare
@I Are Lebo, it's my idea that if we outlawed medicinal advertising like the rest of the world, that the companies would have more money from those saved costs and would be able to drop the prices of their drugs. Just a start.
@I Are Lebo, it’s like you’re saying socialism doesn’t work Edit: can’t believe I had to come back to notify people this is a joke. Loosen up, it’s a funny pics app.
@That one Captain , it doesn’t matter if your country is responsible for the most medical advancements if the majority of your populace can’t afford to get the treatments.
Your high medical costs aren’t going towards R&D, they’re being pocketed mostly by insurance companies.
@Mag3rPayne, they would be able to drop their prices. They wouldn’t, though.
The best example of this is insulin. American insulin gets sold with an insane markup, and it’s all about profits.
@I Are Lebo, yet we are led to believe the pharmaceutical industry is here to help us. They don't cure, they prolong suffering, it's a better business model.
@I Are Lebo, let's also not forget that Biden reversed trump's EO to lower insulins cost. Why would the most popular president ever do such an unpopular thing?
@Mag3rPayne, all you have to do to see that the American pharmaceutical industry does not care about American lives is to see how they treat the sale and distribution of insulin.
@I Are Lebo, lol i was making a joke, relax.
@I Are Lebo, so by applying the logic that they don't care about our lives, why should I jump on this new vaccine, and why is it free? Also I hear that they will eventually combine covid and flu shots together to be more efficient. I think that says the quiet part out loud.
@JoeJoestar, I wasn’t jumping on you, I literally just rolled my eyes. I understood that you were joking.
Note that I did not downvote you.
@Mag3rPayne, you shouldn’t jump on the new vaccine, you should evaluate the risks and benefits, and see that the risks of not getting the vaccine are substantially higher than that of getting it.
This is especially clear when you compare the death and hospitalization rate of those who have been vaccinated versus those who have not. At the current point in time, the data shows that the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths from Covid are from unvaccinated people.
I do not believe the rumours of them combining Covid and flu shots. Vaccines do not typically work that way. After all, the Rubella, Mumps, Hepatitis, Polio, etc vaccines all remain separate. This would be (as far as I’m aware) the first combination vaccine.
As for why the vaccine is free, that would be because this is a global pandemic and the ONLY way we can end it is through vaccines. Herd immunity doesn’t work with a virus like Covid because getting it once doesn’t make you immune to getting it again.
@I Are Lebo, MMR vaccine is for Mumps, measles, and rubella... These vaccines are not the only way if you can still get it a spread it. It protects you from possibly developing severe disease. That is all.
@Mag3rPayne, interesting. The point still stands, however.
No, just too ignorant. Pretty sure most Europeans are aware of how horribly inflated our health care pricing is.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows at this point, but when you see those clickbate articles about "look at this person's hospital bill", they didn't actually have to pay nearly that much. 15-30% is discounted off the top, insurance pays the rest. We have a max out of pocket that we never have to pay higher than for the year (usually 1k-5k depending on your plan). If you are dumb enough to not have insurance (if you are poor, you get the free government insurance), you can still get your bill mostly written off by the hospital.
edit* ohh and if you are unlucky enough to have cancer, pray you are in America, our wait times to get initially seen, diagnosed, then treated are months ahead of Canada and Europe.
@AverageIdiot, what you're saying tracks, but the bigger issue is that at that point, you're relying on discounts, writeoffs, and insurance that will likely fight you tooth and nail for every dime.
Truth is, sure a lot of people don't pay all of their hospital bills, but some still do, and to some it is very much debilitating. And it's not really a secret that there are a million different ways for insurance to fvck you over.
@Mhael, relying on discounts and write offs? You mean like.....the government?
@spongeblade, how is relying on services offered by the government in exchange for paid taxes the same as relying on discounts and writeoffs from a hospital?
@Mhael, completely agree. I had to have eye surgery last year and while yes I did reach my out of pocket max, I still have to pay over $5,000 for it. And I didn’t even get admitted to stay overnight. With all my other bills I will be paying that off for the next 4 years. (Reminder that those deductibles start over every year. So even though it capped, that doesn’t stop other bills from piling on in the following years.)
@Mhael, for starters it was a joke that seems to have gone over your head. 😉 But in all seriousness it is pretty similar. You pay into either system. But privately owned systems (insurance) are far more efficient. And while they might try to mess you over, governments have the history of all humanity to prove that they can screw you better.
Also, when you said "relying on services offered by the government" is the other problem. Government health care makes you rely on the most universally defunct institution of all time, government. So when you do need help, it might be "free", but it won't always be available. Private health care has its issues sure, but its far better than anything government can/will do.
@Mhael, I would also point out with our current system that there is a largelayer of beurocracy that is tied directly to the government via insurance regulations. The blame is only put on the insurance companies, but its a one-two punch stemming from excess government control. There needs to be some regulations sure, but a lot of the current issues (like high drug prices) stem from those regulations that favor insurance/drug companies.
@spongeblade, you say that we need some regulation but also that the government is the most defunct institution of all time. So where should the regulations come from then? Government is definitely defunct, but the literal only thing any private institution cares about is making money. The way a health insurance company makes money is by charging you more and paying out less to necessary medical bills. Socialized healthcare obviously has huge issues too, but man I wouldn't trust a health insurance company to ever pay a cent for anything I need if they can possibly avoid it. In a perfect world, an actually functional government should enforce the insurance companies not being crappy and overcharging and under providing, though I have no idea where to find one of these actually functional governments
@spongeblade, please explain how paying twice the amount per person for the same level of care is acceptable for the US? We are supporting an entire industry that does not need to exist, and which doesn't do any productive labor other than denying people coverage and making people pay more. insurance companies have no incentive economically to ever pay out, so their goal is to fvck over as many people as possible. Their collusion with hospitals have caused exorbitant fees that only benefit the too officials of these companies. nationalized Healthcare will allow the US to set the prices for everything, and force hospitals to charge reasonable fees. National Healthcare would also not benefit from denying people coverage, and it would have a much better chance of taking care of people. Getting people healthy without destroying their financial future is far more productive than the current system, and would increase the GDP.
@AverageIdiot, personally, I don’t think paying off medical bills should be the same experience as buying a used car from a sketchy dealer. Not to mention that our current medical aid system incentivizes people without insurance- or people who simply can’t afford a 5K deductible- to hold off until they have a medical emergency instead of getting the checkups and maintenance medicine they’d need to avoid a medical emergency. There is a reason that these countries with socialized healthcare have much healthier citizens. The US healthcare system needs to change. I don’t know how to fix the whole thing, obviously, but I’d start with pharmaceutical companies
@AverageIdiot, the idea that Cancer treatment times are inflated in Canada is a falsehood perpetuated by ignorant Americans attempting to prop up their fatally flawed medical system. It’s simply not true.
My uncle had bladder cancer a couple years ago. He was diagnosed the same day he went to the hospital. He was getting his first treatment within the week.
I’ve had many family members with cancer, and that’s the way every one of them went. The idea that Canadians have to wait months to get cancer treatment is simply not based in reality.
Also, medical bills in America are the number one cause of bankruptcy claims. So there’s that, too.
@Wordsarefun, my point isn't that we have the best system. My point os that most people like you are ignoring the 3rd (and biggest) part of the problem, the government. The biggest reason hospitals/insurance companies can screw people over is because of laws created by a corrupt government. The problem with national health care is you're then giving government more power to fix the problem of.....government.
@spongeblade, either way, your solution is more government. We could deregulated everything, and insurance companies wouldn't change a thing. neither the hospitals nor the insurance companies what anything to change, and they will still force this system without the government. If we remove insurance companies, there is little incentive to fvck people over because the government doesn't care about saving money.
Also why is the government corrupt? its not because it's just the government; it's because of insurance companies. They litteraly don't produce anything, yet have enough money to corrupt our entire government. Our current system cannot be fixed. even if you were in charge of everything and had the best intentions, you would immediately become corrupt once you see how much money insurance companies are willing to give you.
@Wordsarefun, Insurance companies should not exist. People who produce nothing should not be making money of off denying people Healthcare coverage. I don't see why your defending an industry where it's success is directly correlated how much human suffering it can produce.
@AverageIdiot, “Europe” is a big place buddy
@JAMA, so is America pal
@Wordsarefun, you’re very right. The entire core of the problem is the insurance companies. They’re the ones milking the public with mandatory expenses backed up by government agencies getting kickbacks form the insurance companies to keep those laws on the books, all the while being an industry specifically designed to deny coverage to as many of those people as possible. The system is totally broken.
@spongeblade, just about the part of government health care being bad, if there were no insurance companies and everyone would pay a tax for it they would have better resources and a lot of now private doctors would work there instead it wouldn't be as bad. Sure corruption and greedy politicians are always an issue.
Wtf is going on in that Italian picture it looks like a lamp store.
@CocoasBro, I think it is.
@Hot Coffee, Then did a joke go over my head or something?
Republicans: Obamacare is raising my insurance costs too much. (Proceeds to raise healthcare costs by going to the ICU after not wearing a tiny mask)
@Stealthreaver, Democrats response: allow republicans to drive without headlights in highly republican areas.
Legit went to the doctor today for a follow up appointment. Was there for about 7 min total actually spoke with the doctor for maybe two of those, got a bandaid put on and left and it cost me 55$ with insurance. Most expensive bandaid I’ve ever gotten.