How dare you point out my hypocrisy,
Though to be fair I haven't done this, and if we are sure about the vaccine then why has the federal government provided blanket immunity from all future lawsuits to all the companies producing the vaccine
@Hesediel, maybe just incase because they wanted to get it out before FDA approval
@110100100, I get that but it still sketches me out, and I'm not saying don't get it, I just want people to know the risks and realize that no testing has been don on long term effects, and even though it has been approved by the fda, it was still the fastest any vaccine has been approved by the fda ever. Again I'm not saying it's bad or that there will be any long term effects, just that people should be informed before they make a decision on their own, and that it shouldn't be mandated at the very least until we have a few years worth of data
@Hesediel, while I agree, some things should be pointed out. Covid isn’t new. It’s been around for quite some time and has since mutated, but it’s not like they were starting from scratch. Also normally funding for drugs is far far less than the funding for this one. So just factually that means that it would take less time to develop the vaccine because wasted samples and materials weren’t really a concern since there was plenty of money.
IMO I personally still wasn’t comfortable with it, but I have a government job in california and these morons keep giving their rights away, so I Didn’t really have a choice but to get it.
Im pro choice on this one because I understand both sides. Except I don’t think either side should be telling people what to do.
@Hesediel, 2 things my guy.
1. It isn't new, it is an updated old vaccine that's been worked on for over a decade.
2. It was fast tracked, just pushed ahead of other things that needed approval. It went through the same vetting as every vaccine, but they pushed it ahead so it wouldn't be buried in paperwork and red tape for years.
@Mantis Tobaggan, yeah the technology for this type of vaccine was introduced in the late 80s but it never saw any sort of widespread human trials until the last year or so.
And trust me I get that it was given priority for development and approval but less than a year from creation to approval is a bit extreme.
I guess I don't get what is so extreme about the opinion that we shouldn't just blindly trust that there weren't any corners cut in safty testing while racing to get out what is (let's be honest) probavly one of the most profitable vaccines ever.
15 days to flatten the curve. 30 days to slow the spread. Masks don’t work. Actually, they do cause its not aerosolized. It’s because lockdowns work that we need the do it for the third time. No it wasn’t a lab leak. Mostly peaceful protests and George Floyd funerals are not super spreader events, Super Bowl’s and your grandma’s are. Masks are working so well, wear two. We just need to do this till we get a vaccine. Maybe it was a lab leak. The vaccine is 99% effective. No, it’s not experimental. Emergency Use Authorization means it is approved. You won’t get it if you are vaxed. Actually, it’s 95% effective. Actually, you won’t spread it if you are vaxed. Actually you won’t get ill if you are vaxed. Actually, you won’t get severally I’ll if you are vaxed. Actually, you may need a booster. Actually, vaxed should mask. Actually you will need a booster. Now it’s officially approved so get it. The Pfizer shot they were giving is what was approved! Why don’t you trust us?
@Dyslexic eman resu, vaccinated has never meant immune, it means much less likely to contract a disease. Lots of vaccines need boosters. It is very effective at fighting it off, but nothing is 100% and a lot that get it while vaxxed are asymptomatic, thats what they recommend masks, jic.
@Dyslexic eman resu, for a little anecdotal evidence, the hospital I work at recently had a surge to the point where we had to start refusing people, over 300 people came in with severe symptoms, 99% were unvaccinated, and none of the vaccinated died. This is anecdotal, I get that, but my state is the top spreader, or at least was at the time. I'm not going to argue with you, just sharing the facts. I don't like the government either, but vaccines are a good thing and the sooner this gets under control the sooner it's over.
@Dyslexic eman resu, the CDC has done the best that they can to communicate with us what they know when they know it. They’re bound to amend what they said because as more information comes in, they want to let us know, even if (and especially if) that information contradicts what was said before. Would you prefer that they don’t tell us when they learn they were wrong? Or would you prefer that they don’t tell us anything until years later when they absolutely confirm that they were right? Being in a pandemic means that there is a sense of urgency to spread useful information that can potentially save millions of lives. If that means that every now and then they have to correct something, isn’t that worth it?
@Dear Sir, this. Honestly, I would be a lot more distrusting if a pandemic happened and suddenly everyone in charge immediately knew exactly how to handle it, never admitted error in their initial assessment, and never updated their assessment based on new information. Is it sh*tty that we have received so much mixed messaging? Of course it is. But, not everything is known about it, it happens.
@Dyslexic eman resu, So, a man covered in feces walks up to you and wants to give you a big long hug. Quick! How many different ways can you think of to prevent yourself from getting covered in his poop? I bet you can think of a dozen. I'll bet some are better ideas than others. Maybe after thinking for a while, you realize some of those ideas aren't going to work. Does it matter if he covered himself in poo, someone else did it, or he's an escaped experiment? So, you probably shouldn't trust yourself either.
@riidii, You just gotta wear a mask. Wait, he has to wear a mask. Cause his mask protects you. Right?
Also, I’m fairly certain the fecal matter he is covered in is the excess from the 💩 you’re full of.
@Dyslexic eman resu, your preference for a liar to stick to his story no matter what additional facts come to light has been noted. The people who are able to say “know what? I learned more so I need to revise my statement” are the ones worthy of trust. The guy who says “no no, just trust me, ignore the info and just believe me,” that’s the guy selling you miracle cure-all.
@CunningLinguist, so me pointing out that basically everything they’ve told us to this point has turned out to be a lie. Is me preferring they not tell us the truth? What are you even talking about? You people are just in a freaking cult at this point. I don’t know what else to tell you.
@Dyslexic eman resu, it's depressing cause the other side feels the same way about you.
@Dyslexic eman resu, except that it doesn’t turn out to be a lie. It’s just a lot of figures we’re amended as we found out more info. I don’t know what else to tell you.
@Dyslexic eman resu, this is what happens when you decide to watch fox news or cnn. All they do is spread lies. If you actually read scientific literature and bot depended on these goons for information you would have known the facts early on. And masks and vaccines have helped. Keep in mind that initial projections said about 200k would die with mitigation but we now have almost 700k dead with some mitigation. Without they predicted about 1.7million. Now imagine if we had 0 preventative risk it is likely closer to 8 million would be dead in the usa alone.
@Dyslexic eman resu, Wow - woosh! Right over your head, and it's gone! Home run!
Anyway, the government just put out a mandate that says everyone has to breath. Don't be a slave! Don't follow those fascists telling you what to do!
Difference is. Here everyone can plainly see the risks of their actions and make the decision on whether they by are willing to take the risk.
The vaccine is not as nice. Hey govt I have questions about the the Vax and what the pros and cons are.. Govt: "no, bad, only good. Shut up and take an experimental drug that no one really knows what's going on with it but it's all good" People would be a lot more likely to take the Vax if the govt would stop trying to shove it down our throat, take a step back, and say hey here is everything we do and don't know about it and what could go wrong.
@The Silly Band, nahhhh, our government would never lie or do terrible things to their own citizens. *laughs in Tuskegee study, ruby ridge, and Waco*
@The Silly Band, no different, as the vaccine has been worked on for a long time, but was adapted for a new strain, so it isn't "new" or experimental, it is updated and has gone through all the same testing as any vaccine, they pushed it to the front of the line for testing, thats why it came out so fast. So we know the long term side effects are not a concern.
@Mantis Tobaggan, not entirely true. This is not a “vaccine” as we traditionally know it. It has been in the works for a couple of decades and shows amazing promise. The drug companies have been trying to patent the technology as a “vaccine” since at least 2015, and have been denied that designation because, by definition, it is not. The current “shot” that was just approved for general use was not approved as a “vaccine.” The industry has hijacked the word “vaccine” in the battle against Covid-19 because the general population is very well aware how awesome vaccines are, ie. polio, smallpox, measles, rubella, etc… Which of course has led to a good measure of the population wondering why someone would refuse to take this “vaccine.” Rightfully so, if it was indeed a vaccine as we are all accustomed to. Unfortunately this technology does not have over a half century of testing and application as traditional vaccines do. These are not vaccines, it’s okay to be wary.
@The Silly Band, JFC it’s not an experimental drug. The hyperbole is too damn high here. Russia is so proud right now.
@Lord Cthulhu, to borrow a phrase I used to hear a lot “if you obey the law you have nothing to worry about.”
Lefties: My body my choice I can abort a 9 month old fetus if I want.
Also lefties: YOU WILL PUT INSIDE YOURE BODY WHAT I TELL YOU TO OR ILL THROW YOUR ASS IN JAIL! WE LITTERALLY CANNOT SOLVE ANY PROBLEM WITHOUT TRYING TO GRANT THE GOVERNMENT MASSIVELY OVERREACHING DYSTOPIAN POWERS REEEEEEEEEEEE!
@CocoasBro, doesn’t that kinda work both ways?
@Spider4x, it does lol. Massively both ways.
@CocoasBro, the government hasn't been given any powers for this, only the states can mandate a vaccine, feds can't.
People: The vaccine works guy, literally everyone wants this to be over come on.
"YOU ARE A BUNCH OF SHEEP! IDIOT LEFTY SHEEP! NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I CALL YOU A SHEEP AND I GO TAKE MY LIVESTOCK MEDICINE REEEEEE!"
@Spider4x, Im pro choice so its ideologically consistent for me.
@Mantis Tobaggan, Ive told you theyre pushing for it. Which is what pisses me off.
@CocoasBro, how are they pushing for it? I couldn't find anything about them pushing for a national mandate
@Mantis Tobaggan, because biden said that he would aswell as other prominent democrats. Its kind of out in the open dude theyre not hiding their intentions.
@CocoasBro, ok but when and where did he say that? Can you post a link? The only thing I can find is that it is required for federal workers, which is not what I believe you are talking about.
@Mantis Tobaggan, This just in: state government isn’t really government.
@asmb100, lol, yeah I forgot to differentiate between state government and federal government my bad
@CocoasBro, don’t post that on r/conservative. They’ll ban you because you just shat on their pro-life movement. These turds show up with a “my body my choice” poster because they’re asked to show a small amount of social courtesy, but also want to set up a website so you can rat out your neighbor for going to planned parenthood. They see zero dissonance with holding those two thoughts in their mind simultaneously because it never was about body or choice, and was always about imposing their will on other people. That why logic doesn’t work.
Why is everybody trying to walk on stacked crates lately? This is at least the third thing I've seen about it.
@Bonersaurus, and where the fück are they getting all of these crates?
@x2 6x 9 lol, exactly
@x2 6x 9 lol, Walmart for $1
@Bonersaurus, TikTok trends. People will light themselves on fire for a TikTok trend.
@x2 6x 9 lol, bunch of milkmen having to carry bottles around by hand now
It's been found that the largest group of unvaccinated people are those with PhDs and doctorates.
I'll assure you, the people doing this are those that took the vaccine.
@That one lurker, I saw the study you are refering to. It truly surprised me. It was basically an inverted "U". Those that trusted the vaccine most were folks with bachelor's degrees. Both the most educated and most uneducated (not saying they are stupid, just didn't get college degrees) trusted the vaccine the least.
@RogueKnight, would like to point out that typically in those studies, the peaks (the people with the bachelors degrees in this case) are usually the ones who most live in the real world, so like working class people who aren’t poor but also can’t afford to not work. So basically the most productive members of society.
@RogueKnight, Bill Gates, Zuck, Branson, Steve Jobs. None of them had college degrees.
@Mag3rPayne, I know. I was just trying to clarify that I was NOT calling people without college degrees stupid. Those were just the results of the study.
@RogueKnight, I live with a PhD who finds this study dubious and asked for the journal name and issue it was published in. She works with 17 other PhDs and they are all vaccinated. Not a large sample size, granted. Her guess is it’s in an “open source” journal, which is the academic equivalent of a bathroom stall.
@CunningLinguist, the study was done by Carnigie Mellon University and University of Pittsburgh.
It was based on results from a months long survey. Feel free to Google it. As I'm sure you know, comments can't be copied so not much point to posting a link to the article.
And yes, 18 people in a single workplace is not a large sample size. It also doesn't take I to account cultural and philosophical differences found throughout the world.
As with most studies, even those by supposed reputable universities and publications, I take them with a grain of salt. Studies, like statistics, can be manipulated to show pretty much whatever you want.
I'm not saying this study is accurate, only that I found the results interesting
@RogueKnight, I know, I was adding to your statement, not trying to take away from it.
@CunningLinguist, that study tells you how large their sample of PhDs was. I believe it said 10k, and to their knowledge was the largest sample of PHDs on for a study like that.
Go outside guys why are people writing essays to strangers on the internet over this 🤣 none of you change your view
@TheBigJ, no memes outside BigJ
@TheBigJ, I’d pay $10 for a FunnyPic app that guaranteed zero political pics or discussions.
Incorrect, those crates could have colored out the American Flag!