This comment section should be civil. 🍿
@tampon thief, I will going ahead and ruin any chances at that by announcing that I’m awaiting those who can’t handle not being able to avoid responsibility for unprotected sex now in the state of Texas. 🍿
@tampon thief, eat the rich
@ThatGuyx79, You Sir, and I know you must be a Sir from your backwards, chauvinistic attitude, are a cretin.
@ThatGuyx79, damn if I paid for one more abortion the next was going to be free
@CrazyRightWinger, out of all the comments you’re the only one that didn’t get a downvote lol
@ThatGuyx79, so judging by the downvotes it looks like a lot of ppl disagree and think that u shouldn’t be responsible u should be able to have as much fun as u want and totally be allowed to kill unborn babies... can’t wait to see how many ppl downvote me too lol
@beeswax, and you must be a pagan that likes the sacrifice of children. You are the actual cretin. Go worship your God of Death elsewhere.
@Child Slapper, Found the Christian
@ThatGuyx79, What is your opinion on people who take the precautions to have protected sex and end up pregnant anyways? Should they be allowed to abort since they took the precautions? Or should they be punished with a child they actively tried to avoid since they didn’t want it?
@NarwhalAssassin, look dude, having a child isn't punishment.
@SeelenVerKaufer , it absolutely can be whether you want kids or not. For many people, pregnancy and childbirth are a massive financial burden that they may not be prepared for. If you don’t want kids, it’s also an emotional burden as you have to come to terms with the pregnancy, as well as make huge decisions like whether to put them up for adoption. If you’re the woman who’s actually pregnant, you also have all the physical and hormonal challenges of pregnancy, from morning sickness to mood swings. Then there’s the whole “shoving a person through a hole that isn’t big enough” at the end of it. If you want kids, maybe you can overlook all that. If you don’t want kids, then I don’t see how it isn’t punishing.
@NarwhalAssassin, protection or no, pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex.
Killing an unborn human isn't right just because you don't want a child.
Funny how it's murder if a pregnant woman gets shot and the child dies too, but it's not considered a human when it comes to abortions.
And no, it isn't punishment. It's a consequence of an action. The effect of a cause. The result of a conscious decision made.
It is not a punishment for any wrongdoing.
@NarwhalAssassin, to this conversation I wanted to add that I gave an upvote to the two previous statements (contradictory as they were) because I think they both spoke well, accurately, and summed up (IMO) the most salient points of both sides.
“Punishment” is probably the wrong word to fight over but your conversation in general is well put. Thanks for keeping a difficult talk civil
@RogueKnight, what about women who were raped
and got pregnant? And what if the rapist was her dad? Is that just her divine will to have a kid?
@Broken man, to be totally honest, I havent been able to come up with a morally/ethically sound argument that works in totality for either side. It's still murder, but not a consequence of a consensual action.
I cannot find fault in a woman getting an abortion under those circumstances. Even though it is still ending a human life. Same answer for cases when mom or baby will die. How do you chose...
Now a question for you: You and your wife want to have a child and have to use a surrogate to carry the baby to term. So it's your wife's egg, your sperm, and the surrogate is carrying that child. One day, a few months in, she decides the morning sickness isn't worth it and decides she wants an abortion.
Is it your baby? Is it her body? Who gets to decide? Does she get to end the life of a child you and your wife want?
@RogueKnight, I'd have her sign an ACTUAL contract that situation is 100% distinguishable from a teen or unprepared women stuck in a situation. You make it seem like everyone is just heathens getting abortions willy nilly. Even roe v Wade set a limit just not before women may even know.
@tampon thief, IRON MAN 2 WASN'T BAD
@RogueKnight, given that the embryo can’t form into a child with out the uterus, it’s a bit of a stretch to call it a child lol.
That’s like telling people you’re a doctor in high school cause that’s what you’ll be some day.
@JoeJoestar, it is still a human life. Criminal courts consider an embryo a human life. Kill a pregnant woman, you get two murder charges. It is still alive. Even if it isn't fully developed.
@ThatGuyx79, thanks Uncle Bob, though in being reductive you overlooked rapes, but hey, you made a snarky comment on an entertainment app, so you’ve got that going for you. Or do you feel the same way about them?
@tampon thief, unrelated question. Do you steal new tampons or used ones, because that is really going to change the way I view your name.
@NarwhalAssassin, happened to me. I love my boy with all my heart! Why kill a baby just because you are full of fear?
@CunningLinguist, two wrongs don’t make a right
@Child Slapper, That’s the great thing about free choice. Free to have that baby that you’re unprepared for and ruin your life while giving it a mediocre upbringing. Or use your god given free will to abort and don’t let a 2000 year old book affect your morale standpoints for life. :^]
Did we give the Cowboys to the Taliban too? I mean it’s not a big loss but they weren’t even over there so why did they get abandoned?
@jason415, fück the cowboys let the taliban have them
@jason415, as a Giants fan I’m obliged to say: screw the Cowboys!!
I'm not here to start arguments with anybody because this comment section is already messy as is, but I feel like people forget that more often than not, people don't actually /want/ to get an abortion, nor is any reasonable person encouraging sexual irresponsibility/encouraging everyone to get an abortion. It's usually a last resort decision in extreme circumstances, and most people are saying that there should be a safe, legal option if there is ever a need for it.
@AnotherLurker, I don't disagree with what you said, but it doesn't take into account those admittedly few people who do have frequent abortions. Using abortions as a way to avoid taking responsibility for their choices and actions. Any laws made should address both groups of people. Which is IMO, is why we struggle to find a common ground to pass abortion laws everyone can agree upon.
@AverageIdiot, well what your talking about is one thing, but they even made it illegal to get an abortion in the case of rape. That doesn’t seem right to me.
It’s like saying
“Hey you got raped? That’s too bad. But we’re still going to make you keep this daily reminder of that traumatic experience”
@AverageIdiot, how about this: you get one abortion. Next unwanted pregnancy, you get executed instead. Fewer irresponsible people and fewer unwanted pregnancies. Seems like a win win to me
@AverageIdiot, no one should have an unwanted child even if that means multiple abortions.
@day man ahhhhh, fighter of the night man ahhhhh
If men want to be included in talks of abortion they should be equally as punished as women for having the abortion. It takes two to make a baby.
@Hoban Washburne, Texas recently passed a really strict abortion law. But it’s really weird how they wrote it. It’s basically written that private citizens can stop abortions not the government. My understanding is it’s an attempt to prevent the federal court from being able to overturn it since the state isn’t the enforcement arm you can’t sue them
@BigJohnson86, ooh that’s hot! I’m even more excited for the saved lives now :)
@Child Slapper, Interesting take from someone named Child Slapper.
Guess you can't slap em in the womb, huh?
@LookOutASni, *slaps pregnant girl on the belly* this baby can hold so much emotional damage
The US is such a weird little country these days. I’m glad I don’t live their anymore.
Pretty sure the handmaids wore red. Blue just looks silly, even if it is the cowboy color.
I just want to acknowledge that this is a difficult discussion to have. I think, though imperfect, an analogy could be had regarding healthcare (Forget insurance for a minute).
I’ve heard it said that “everyone should have a right to see a doctor.” Cool. I don’t see a reason to say “no, screw that guy”. Sure.... except people take it a little far and call it a human right. Hold up. Your rights are yours. Do you have a right to DEMAND that this person doesn’t... whatever, go to a football game, take a nap, or eat dinner because you have a scraped knee. Personally I’d argue that your rights end when they infringe on another’s right to live their life NOT at your beckon call. What if the doctor doesn’t live nearby? You gonna force them to drive to you?
Now it’s an imperfect analogy but I think it’s ok to acknowledge the difficulty of this issue. I believe that baby, maybe not IMMEDIATELY after conception but very early on could be considered alive. But where to draw the line?
@Canis Arktos, mom-to-be has to change what she eats, pay for doctor’s appointments, skip work for those appointments and the recovery afterward, and that’s only around the birth.
(We’ll skip the stigma of unwanted and/or teen pregnancies and stigma/mental anguish around giving up a child to adoption or abortion)
There is a toll on the mother. How far can one person’s rights infringe on the rights of another person?
I don’t have the answer and frankly it frustrates me when people spout “their side’s” argument.
Personally if the mom’s life is in danger I 100% leave it in her hands. No question either way. If it’s an actual child of rape then... that’s tough but I tend to lean toward letting the victim chose. Everyone else.... idk... I’d prefer you all made life choices that made this a non-issue. But people plan and the universe laughs so... idk. I’ll just ask we get off our soap boxes and try to have respect for the lives and decisions that are hard.
Anyone who hasn’t worn a mask or taken covid seriously isn’t allowed to speak on this 😂 and I’m guessing 80% of you who already have probably think covid was made by the liberals so they could infringe your rights 😁
@Crabscakes, look up “grammar rules for kids.” Might help. I honestly don’t even know whether I agree with what you’re saying it’s so incomprehensible.
You, nor the government, get absolutely no say in anyone else's pregnancy options.
@StoneFarb, you, nor the government, get absolutely no say in anyone else's right to live.
@PyroCMXXVI, idk governments kill people all the time
@StoneFarb, especially the father cause even though the child is half his and he is 100% responsible for the financial support of the child how dare he even think he has a say in whether or not his child has a right to live
@BigJohnson86, It’s really the only thing they’re any good at
@PyroCMXXVI, a fetus is still inside a woman. Is ok for me to make decisions about what goes on inside your body?? Your belief that life begins at conception comes from your religion. And your religion has no place in my government.
@StoneFarb, it does not come from my religion. It comes from science and the law. Killing a pregnant woman is considered double murder. Destroying a nest of fertilized eggs is still considered poaching. Anything that has the potential to live is classified as a living creature. Your belief that you can ignore all that and kill a child is either born of your mallace, your ignorance, your desire to escape the consequences of your own actions, or just pure evil.
@PyroCMXXVI, Spot on. Pro-abortion is pure ignorance against fairly basic science and moral law (ie, killing innocent human life)
@BigJohnson86, Leave the Clintons out of this!
@PyroCMXXVI, Idkkkkkk. Fvck the government, butttttt I’m a man, so I should never vote on what a woman should do with their bodies 🤷🏻♂️
@philbert15, what does you being a man have to do with deciding on if another human being lives or dies? And since when are we requiring physically experiencing a thing in order to have an opinion on or make a moral judgment on the thing? Cause if that’s that case, then there’s very little most people can have opinions on.
@BigJohnson86, Nobody is to be deprived of life or liberty without due process of law.
Simply existing is not a crime and the unborn deserve a chance.
That's the crux of the issue and in my opinion the only reason that advocates for abortion rights refuse to acknowledge it's a life is because they would then be depriving an innocent of their life.
There's a word for that: murder
@LookOutASni, so you think a government cant order a war? Cuz they order people to death without due process all the time that way
@philbert15, oh yeah. Because women make babies all on their own. Not like a man has to get involved at some point, right? Your argument is ignorant and sexist.
@PyroCMXXVI, this has never been about protecting life. If it was, don't you think they would give these women adequate healthcare? This has never been about abortion, it has always been about controlling women. Why don't men who have women that abort get jail time too?
@PyroCMXXVI, @HammerOfHeretics, I’m just trying to be considerate of the fact that men don’t actually have the burden of carrying and birthing a child. Yes, I think our input on what to do is expected, but it’s someone else’s body that we are changing forever. We just raw dogged it one time and still get to keep our bod the same.
@StoneFarb, That’s actually the opposite of the truth.
The legal concept of life beginning upon drawing first breath directly mirrors the phraseology in Genesis, “God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils and he became a living soul”.
Recognition of a unicellular organism being alive is much more consistent with 19th and 20th century understanding of biology.
Can't wait to see all the dudes arguing about women's issues in the comments
@TheTrueCorreia, the fact that society is trying to say that you can’t have an opinion on something unless you physically experience the thing is ludicrous. Plus what the argument is about is whether a human being lives or dies, so I’d say that’s a pretty universal concept that anybody can weigh in on.
@HammerOfHeretics, you're right, you should wear a mask and get vaccinated
@TheTrueCorreia, men can be women now, though, so…
@TheTrueCorreia, huh? What’s this gotta do with it?
@Pubmarine Shamwich, lol exactly
@HammerOfHeretics, anti mask/vaccine people don't want the government to tell them what to do unless it's regarding a women and her baby.
@Kareem Abdul Ackbar, I mean I wouldn’t compare the two situations all that closely. One is about protecting a life that can’t protect itself. The other is about a grown person who can make decision for themself. At this point not getting vaccinated only does damage to you, not anyone else really (at least anyone who is vaccinated)…it doesn’t lead to the death of another human being.
@HammerOfHeretics, but what about the adverse consequences to the youth that masks cause which is an issue perpetuated by the unvaccinated. Or the spread to youth which again is attributed to unvaccinated individuals. I'm not saying they shouldn't have a choice I'm just saying the situations are comparable.
@Kareem Abdul Ackbar, I’m saying they’re barely comparable. Neither of those consequences are accurate. Spread among the youth (i.e. schoolchildren) is primarily amongst themselves which can’t be prevented by vaccines since children can’t be vaccinated yet. And adverse consequences of masks…what do you mean? Like psychological? That’s hardly attributable to those that aren’t even the primary vector for kids becoming infected. We’ve also seen a lot of vaccinated transmission.
Wouldn't be half the problem to argue over if women could actually get their tubes tied instead of being roadblocked by doctors and insurance.
Did anyone see the anti-vaxx anti-mask protest in Texas where they were walking around chanting “my body, my choice”? I wonder if they would do that for abortion rights?🤣🤣🤣
@ yiadda, I believe you missed their point so completely that it’s not worth pointing out what their point in using that particular phrase is.
@ yiadda, Well I'll point it out:
They were using the left's own arguments against them to make a point ya dingus.
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