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You also have to take into account that as an end user you are gonna pay more per part when you only need 1 system versus building hundreds of thousands of systems
Except 1) no one makes $300 consoles anymore, they're all $6~700, not counting the scalper fee and 2) even $1000 is enough to match a console for gaming performance (not to mention all the other things you can do with a PC - work, edit videos, create art, etc) when buying new; if you're good with Craigslist/eBay, you can definitely beat a console's performance for ~$500
@FakeFurball, scalper fees are hitting PC parts too, aren't they? Even without scalper prices you said $1000 is enough to match a console, that's double the price and still proves the point of the meme, even if the meme was exaggerating for a joke.
@FakeFurball, except pretty much every console in the last 15 years has been between $300-500. Not counting scalping, none have detailed for more than that. And I would be say it would be pretty impossible to beat the Xbox series X with only $500
@Mantis Tobaggan, scalper fees are affecting certain high end parts - the ones that match console specs aren't nearly so rare. As for "oh but it's still more expensive than a console" yeah, duh, it does more than a console does. If you wanted to make videos, or do taxes, or anything else except play games and watch Netflix, your still buying a laptop on top of the console, which increases the total price to more than a gaming PC.
Not to mention that games are nearly always cheaper on PC (steam sales, gog, etc.); unless you're buying a console for the exclusives (which PC has by far the most of) there's no financial justification to purchasing a console (although maybe a used, last gen would be ok? But then you don't get any new games, so...)
@LtUncle, uh... My dude, have you seen prices on current gen consoles? OneX is like 550 nowadays, ps5 is more. I suppose the price thing may be true, I'm used to having old parts (and friend's old parts) to scavenge things like cases and hard drives to save on costs.
You know, because that's something I can do with PC, upgrade parts of it down the line instead of having to buy a whole new console every 7 years lol
@FakeFurball, oh yeah, I know how much they go for. Plus it's hard to find just the base package anymore without it being bundled. But the official price for the base Xbox and PS5 is $500, with the digital versions being $300 and $400 for Xbox and PS. but good luck finding one of those lol
@FakeFurball, so people that have pcs don't have laptops? It's silly to tack the price of a laptop onto either price list.
I know it does more, not denying that, but it still agrees with the meme that they are more expensive.
Game prices are pretty cheap on PC, those steam sales are crazy. PC having more exclusives doesn't mean much unless you like those exclusives. Consoles win the exclusive war imo because they have exclusives that I love. I'm not saying the PC doesn't have good exclusives, just that I have a preference for nintendo and Playstation franchises.
Also, the real kicker, when a console game comes out, you just go buy it and pop the disc in or load it up. Download a patch if need be and BOOM, ready to play.
PC you have put together when you buy it, check specs to see if it can run your new game, and other things that are way less convenient than a console. The financial justification is that people enjoy them, and their exclusives, plus the convenience of it.
@FakeFurball, that all being said, it's just a joke.
@LtUncle, yup, got lucky and got a series x from Best Buy for $500 on the dot (their system was messed up so didn’t have to pay any tax on it). The performance is excellent.
@FakeFurball, I see the console poors have come to downvote you
@Mantis Tobaggan, the biggest thing is scalability, usability, and availability. I put about 12-1300 into a computer that not only runs basically any game out, but also my programming and design programs. I also don't have to worry about exclusivity since there's emulators for pretty much everything that isn't already available for pc, and I don't have to buy a new one every 5ish years
@theshadosnipe, yeah I get that, but acting like PC gaming is the same price as console gaming for the same level of performance is simply inaccurate. In the next few years it will be accurate but as of now, from what I've seen, you aren't building something equivalent to the ps5 or series x for the same price. For me personally, and many console players, it's about convenience. If consoles added the ability to upgrade its hardware, I'd be all for it honestly.
That being said the steam deck or whatever looks awesome! I'm not sure if you can update hardware in it but it would be cool.
Also, while this may or may not be important to some, the ps5 haptic feedback is insanely cool.
@theshadosnipe, to keep it up to date, wouldn't you need to update some hardware every few years?
@theshadosnipe, now I have no problem with emulators, but I don't think you can hold emulation against consoles personally.
@LtUncle, yeah I got my Xbox for $500. Just set an alert and got notified when they were in stock. It’s for playing games and it’s amazing at it.
@Mantis Tobaggan, Don't get me wrong, I'm not all pc master race. I have an Xbone, Switch, ps3, and pretty much every console before that. You're completely right. These days you aren't building anything for similar price, but availability of everything electronic is hard to come by. I've been trying to get a ps5 for months with no luck. As for updating computer hardware, that depends on what you get. If you get low end stuff, yea. You'll be upgrading every few years. Higher end stuff might last you 5-10 years though. As for emulators, I wasn't trying to put consoles down, just show that it's something else a computer can do. For $1300, I have access to pretty much every game system from the ps4 backwards, and I don't have to worry about finding places to store the games and systems. Let alone buying all the consoles I don't have. Plus modding capabilities.
@Mantis Tobaggan, the other big thing is I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility. A game I buy now will still be playable in 10 years. A game bought on the ps2 isn't exactly compatible with the ps5
@theshadosnipe, oh I didn't think you were acting like a PC master race guy at all. Consoles come put every 5 years or more so idk how that's too different from having to upgrade a PC later, but I'll take your word for it. I am actually a huge fan of emulation lol, I just emulated metroid zero mission because the prices for gba and their games are insane!
Slightly off topic, do you know if they have said weather or not the steam deck has upgradable hardware?
@FakeFurball, Yeah ancient games are less expensive on steam. If you want a tripple A game when it comes out its gonna be about the same price. Though if your into indie games your right its cheaper.
@LtUncle, the thing is you can do way more stuff on a pc. Plus it can be used for so much more like work and programming.
I used my pc gaming computer for my masters program, work and gaming. No game system can do those things. System gamers act like the only thing you can use a pc gaming computer for is gaming. My work paid for my computer which was $3k at the time. They wouldnt have bought me an xbox or ps5.
@Runnin with scissors, I am sorry I don't really see how that pertains to my argument? It's obviously that a PC can do more, but that is by design. If someone really wanted to they could probably hack an Xbox to run word and type up their thesis.
All I said was for $500 you could build a PC from scratch to match the power of an xbox
@LtUncle, I was responding to your first comment. I didnt read the comment chain.
To be honest you definitely could build a $500 pc to match an xbox but it would only be able to do what an xbox does. Xbox might be able to run word if you hacked it maybe but it wouldnt do even low level rendering and I doubt it would be able to do basic coding.
@Runnin with scissors, um what? Coding is not very demanding. I guess certain types of coding can be, because "coding" is a very broad statement. Some coding is very basic and some like require lots of ram like with machine learning.
As for build a PC to match an Xbox. Show me some prices, you couldn't even touch a 2080, the PC equivalents, let alone the other components for 500
@LtUncle, simple used parts. Hit up your local computer refurbishment shop they have a lot of used parts that you can use on almost any pc. Plus like I said before, try getting your work to buy you a xbox or writing it off as an expense.
Coding is heavily demanding when working with any amount of data. I defy you to find anyone who has tried to run any coding system on a gaming consol.
Under $500 wouldn't be easy but it's possible. It would just take a couple years more than likely to have something that could play everything an xbox can especially given current shortages due to covid.
@Runnin with scissors, I think the the point you've just made here is that an equivalent PC for a similar price point requires scrounging for previously used parts and hours of work on your part, while the console comes brand new in a sleek design and only requires a trip to the store or a button click to buy. And even if said cheap build has the function of being able to code and work on it, the goal here is to build an equivalent PC and you've said that new consoles aren't capable of running coding processes, so presumably neither would the PC. I could see the advantage if it was a couple hundred dollars cheaper to build the PC but for the same price? Seems like a lot more work for very little reward. That being said I'm all for investing more money for a badass gaming PC, and being able to write it off is a definite bonus. But that's diluting the original argument, which is that you can't buy an equivalent gaming PC for the same price as a console.
Not to mention consoles require an additional sub fee for online connectivity whilst already paying for internet...don't have that on pc
@cdpyr0, Idk about xbox, but playstation's online sub includes two free games every month, which more than pays back the cost of the service. I just got Hitman 2 and Predator: Hunting Grounds, what's that about $100 retail value?
Me with my recently upgraded PC that I spent less than $1000 dollars on, playing top tier, high graphics games, better than those on consoles, and being able to do so many other things that consoles can't do. Enjoying my cheap games, and the widest selection of games.
If anyone is paying $3500 for a gaming PC you either have too much money, or like to future proof for 10 years instead of $1200 for 5 years.
While consoles are half the cost of a good PC, they can only do a tiny fraction, and are severely limited in games to play in comparison.
You really cannot justify buying a console is better. Unless it's for a scenario. (i.e, space, money, only likes/wants certain games.. Etc.)
@thatoneguymaybe, you just gave some really good justifications bro. It's situational and for preference, that's really all the justification needed, but you left put convenience. Buy and play what you like is really the main justification that matters tbh.
@Mantis Tobaggan, I agree that convenience is another factor, but I don't think it's that big of one.
I agree with your second point, buy and play is the main justification. It just depends on what you can buy, and what you want to play.
The overarching point I was making is that you can't claim consoles are better, when they lack in everything. They may be a bit cheaper, or require a bit less setup, but they have nothing that truly makes them better.
Being cheaper, or a bit easier doesn't make something better. Just more convenient. Huge difference.
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