Yeah, not supposed to put an iPhone in your body though….
@obtuse gopher, not yet
@obtuse gopher, hasn’t stopped a lot of people from doing so though
@DrSin, what I do in the privacy of my own home is none of your business.
@obtuse gopher, don’t tell me what to do
@obtuse gopher, ...Wait you're not?
@obtuse gopher, if the infallible fouch said that you should in order to slow the spread, many would do so.
@Pysch is Awesome, actually it is, 100% my business what holes get used
@obtuse gopher, but it's okay to put in hydroxychloroquine, or invermectin, or gargle with betadine. Because non scientists definitely have better insight.
@occasionalmutant, I didn’t say anything of the sort…. And ps, 2 of your 3 examples ARE approved medicines being used “off label”…
@obtuse gopher, I didn’t say you said anything of the sort. I extended your comment of putting things in your body.
And to be clear about my examples, three out of three are FDA approved. Off label use is a term reserved for medications which are used by competent providers based on reasonable knowledge of pharmacodynamics and mechanism of action. They do not continue using drugs off label if clinical studies show no efficacy.
These three are not being used off label. They are being used irresponsibly. It’s like someone in construction being told to use a hammer to saw through wood. Both tools are approved for use in construction. But only an idiot would claim the hammer can be used off label to cut wood.
So continue using your ridiculous off label claim. Just know you are branding yourself as an ignorant pretender of science.
@obtuse gopher, how else do you get to enjoy vibrate mode?!
Me hating apple couse they're using child labor to sell a purposely addictive product, that is pre-programmed for forced obsolescence, that's being lauded as a status symbol for disposable income. Making it the true definition of burning your money.
Oh, no... this set of comments makes to much since... bring on the censors. We can't have them challenge an plutocratic multimillion-dollar organisation. It may make people hesitant about getting an iPhone.
@That one lurker, fun fact. Steve Jobs (and many tech ceos) don't allow or severely limit usage of tablets, phones, and social media for their children. Steve didn't let his kids have iPads or use their phones during anything social.
Going off this meme I'd point out the dipfvcks in power mandating vaccines and masks keep exempting themselves and/or ignoring the rules they try to shove on us.
@spongeblade, gasp, critical thinking and using information to your benefit to come to a conclusion that is wholly your own.
Heresy... I mean.. anti-science
@That one lurker, anti science? Don't you just mean anti Fauci? I thought it was all just personal attacks against him? Well, I guess that is kinda heretical now that I think about it.
@spongeblade, NONBELIEVERS!!! HERETICS!!
@spongeblade, isnt any law a mandate? I am sure killers hate being mandated they cant kill.
If a new iphone was put out in a tenth of the time they usually come out, and received no quality control testing, and I was planning on putting the iphone in my body I might have some concerns. Crazy how if you completely misrepresent a situation you can make your opposition sound like idiots. Disingenuous jackàss.
@DesignatedElfWhipper, Oh, and also if the president were trying to mandate iphone ownership, that might hit some red flags for me as well.
Oh look, another "anti vax" meme using straw man arguments. *yawn*
@spongeblade, i dont think this is a strawman. The most common argument i hear about the vaccine is how little time they spent on it specifically
@Darth Panserbjorne, compared to other vaccines
@Darth Panserbjorne, the fun part is they refuse to acknowledge that the process for creating MRNA vaccines is much faster than a traditional vaccines naturally, nor do they acknowledge that in normal times, vaccine research usually has to be postponed most of the time due to lack of funding and the presence of government red tape.
@Imaginaut, isnt that exactly what the analogy is supposed to imply?
@Imaginaut, lol that's another straw man. The issue isn't specifically the speed. It's the lack of in depth testing. The part that's "too fast" is the skipping over testing. I'm fine with going quick and cutting regulations, but when I see articles of people that have the Vax saying "take the Vax or you'll get covid like me" I'm calling bs on the Vax working. If you can get covid after getting the Vax, it's not a vaccine. And don't give me the bs argument of "it makes it better when you do get covid" because that's just another bs argument to move the goal posts. Masks didn't work, so double mask up! That didn't work so Vax up! That didn't work so booster shot up! That's not working in places like Israel where they have the highest Vax rates and so they're going back to masks and lockdowns which didn't work in the first place. The problem really isn't "it's all too fast". It's that every dumb@$$ idea done by the government isn't working so the goal posts are simply moved.
@Imaginaut, I know people in the field of vaccine development (one or them is trying to make a vaccine to prevent prostate cancer) and you couldn't have said it better. They get a lot of laughs out of randoms on the internet thinking they know how to do their job along with the beaurocracy attached to it. Pretty sure they would know what kind of vaccines require what length of testing at this point.
@LyricTerror, if they create a vaccine that works (unlike the covid one) they can laugh away. Otherwise they can go f themselves.
@spongeblade, the Moderna vaccine works spectacularly. However, you can go f yourself for spreading misinformation. This app is surely becoming a conspiritard sewer. Lol
@LyricTerror, I know it's a sewer, that's why I tell pissants like you to f off so it can stop being one. It doesn't work. The people that took the Vax still get covid and can also have Vax specific side effects. The only people that spread misinformation are the that's like you that keep pushing the government propaganda.
@spongeblade, its because idiots aren't listening to the experts and would rather value their conservative ideals than the health of everyone in this planet. God danm, a part of me wishes this virus was more violent so that antivaxers are discouraged from politicizing something that should just be a health concern, not a God danm political opinion. Please just get the vaccine, its already been FDA approved. Stop it with the stupid propaganda piece.
@LyricTerror, the conservitards seem to be flocking to this app like voltures. Even worse, they spread misinformation ontop of their low quality memes. I hope they go back to Ifunny so they continue with their facist jerk off session rather than here.
@kurumitokisaki , ahahahaha. Pos commie lemmings like you are the ones that are making everything political. "Just get the vaccine" "just comply" "just submit to our every whim". Go fvck yourself you mindless twat. People mindlessly listening to the government like you is how Nazi Germany and every fascist regime takes over. You won't see that though because of how braindead you are. Even then though, I don't want to see you die, unlike pos people like you. You people want everybody who doesn't agree to suffer. You are evil. The irony is we would suffer (more than having to put up with you) if we did listen. so gfy
@spongeblade, people that spread misinformation like you are what allow nazis to go into power you dumb fvck
@spongeblade, the stats and countless worldwide test studies completely contradict your misinformed doubts. If you need some pointers, I'd be more than happy to link them to you.
@spongeblade, the government isn't the one that convinced me to get vaccinated. My doctor who I trust with my life did. Along with many researchers in the front lines spending all their time looking into this thing. So you know what, yeah, I think its a good idea for me to continue recommending others to get vaccinated. Like many others who aren't sucking off to false conspiracy theories. I swear, its people like you that are causing this virus to spread further and mutate beyond what researchers could possibly expect. This isn't a fvcking talking point for your political belief, this is a humanitarian threat.
@kurumitokisaki , ahahahahahah you really are stupid. When people that have the Vax, get covid, it's not an effective vaccine. Then dipfvcks like you buy the line that "it's just making covid do less damage to you when you get it". That's called moving the goal posts. To be clear im not demonizing the vaccine itself. It's the retards like you that militantly push it and try to destroy the lives of people that don't want to comply that are the problem. The propaganda you dipfvcks use to push the Vax is exactly what the Nazis did, so I'd you somehow think conservatives are Nazis, read a fvcking history book you dumb@$$ lemming. Big government crushing people into submission is fascism. The only people doing that are the evil fvcks like you on behalf of the government.
@spongeblade, the Pfizer vaccine has proven to be 95% effective against the virus. With how vaccine tend to go thats pretty danm high, not even the flu vaccine reaches numbers that high, but many still get them because they prove to be effective. I think your misunderstanding of breakthrough cases somehow debunking the 95% success rate of a FDA approved vaccine just goes to show how misinformed you really are.
Also its funny that you're the one saying that im destroying lives while you're here spreading misinformation that can legitimately cause harm to someone who doesn't know any better. The doubt that you're seeding into the minds of those that may come across it is exactly what the natzis did to feed into the fear the German people had post ww1.
Your approach in making me look like a facist is hilarious coming from a dipshvt whose conservative talking point is just classic anti-intellectualism.
Do you want some book recommendations so you can actually learn?
@spongeblade, if you want to disprove me in the effectiveness of the vaccine. How about you share some legitmate sources instead of spouting conspiracy.
@spongeblade , also since you are such an expert in vaccines. Tell me of a vaccine that has a 100% success rate. Because apperantly anything less than perfect with no breakthrough cases isn't an effective vaccine for you. So please go ahead and show me a vaccine that has worked 100% of the time.
@spongeblade, facts over feelings conservitard
@kurumitokisaki , "People that spread misinformation like you are what allow nazis to go into power"
The left, and the government pushing for vaccine passports, forcing you to prove things like "Papers please", acting like Facists, over a minor virus, that they keep changing the rules on, and is still a 98%+ survival rate with minimal long term effects for a few.
Creating a literal two class of citizens with vaxxed, or unvaxxed.
Definitely not Nazi-like.
Yes, it's surely people them spongeblade that is allowing nazis to go into power.
Not the governments across the world, and the people that empower them to act like nazis.
@thatoneguymaybe, minor virus? Ok its official, the fact that you're downplaying a virus of this scale is proof enough of your complete disregard to human life. Also good job on not disproving my other points aswell and completely pivoting. Im still waiting for you to back up the point of a vaccine that is 100% effective.
or are you just going to spread your false conspiracies like special sponge over here.
@thatoneguymaybe, did you know that the current death rates of the covid 19 variant has now reached the same numbers of the Spanish flu? Look it up it just shows that you don't know shvt about the numbers.
Yes retvard it is people like spongeblade allowing facist to go to power. Because its people like him who are putting antivaxxing dumbfvcks in the seat of authority. Facts over feelings conservitard. If you want to argue that the vaccine isn't effective, then feel free to point some stats out. Id love to make you look like an idiot aswell.
@thatoneguymaybe, also, atleast the people on the left aren't treating minority groups like shvt such as a natzi would. And atleast the people on the left isn't taking people constitutional rights away, unlike some states like Texas actively taking away women's right to choose what is best for their bodies. The right are the facist that are doing what they can to allow more power to the state. You aren't an advocate of freedom, just some looser with the same alt right talking points.
@kurumitokisaki , Yes, it's not that major, if less than 2% of people are dying from it, and there are only rare cases of long term effects, it's not a big deal. Especially not as big as you, and the media make it out to be.
I didn't go through the entirety of the thread, I was specifically responding to one portion.
The vaccine has never been declared to be 100% effective. I mean, have you been ignoring all of the breakthroughs? All of the deaths after the vaccine, from the virus?
Can you tell me what those numbers are?
You are quickly jumping to feelings over facts, back up for a minute.
Wait, so antivaxxers(Or just those that are not in agreement on this vaccine), are Facists now? Why?
Near 50% of hospitalilzed patients due to the virus, are vaccinated. Doesn't sound that effective.
You can still spread it, so they encourage masking when vaccinated, so not that effective.
You can still die, we are seeing vaccinated people dying from the virus.
@kurumitokisaki , You can have side effects like death, or developing severe illnesses from the vaccine, so it's not very effective.
In the US about 70%+ of people have gotten at least one shot of the Vax.
That would make the 30% unvaxxed a minority, no?
Unvaxxed are being bullied, and mistreated right now. Especially by you.
Hold on, they are advocating to restrict our 1st and 2nd Ammendment. They constantly strip away the 2nd all of the time.
Murdering a baby via abortion, is not a Constitutional right, it never has been.
You clearly have never read the Constitution.
The right is advocating for less power to the government, the left is advocating for more. That's why they push for taking away speech, and gun rights, having the government control more of the voting, and wanting daddy government to mandate masks, and vaccines.
You are literally stating the opposite of reality.
I can't discuss reality with someone who doesn't live in it.
@kurumitokisaki , You have no idea if I'm an advocate for freedom or not, you don't know me. I also don't remember claiming to be.
Instead, you are projecting your thoughts of who I am, onto me, and them claiming I'm evil.
For that matter, I didn't bring up half of what you said.
Stop projecting, and maybe learn to read before you try to get involved in adult conversations kid.
Go back to your daddy government, and suckle on their teat while the rest of us adults figure out how to live our lives.
If you respond like a belligerent child, I won't be responding.
@thatoneguymaybe, actually, the majority of people in hospitals are of people who aren't vaccinated. And I agree that the vaccine has never been 100% effective, but my point has been that there are no vaccine that has. No vaccine throughout human history has ever been 100% effective. Now the amount of breakthrough cases is to be expected with vaccinations reaching a global scale, especially with this virus mutating in the gene pool.
Also, yeah I looked up the stats. The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.54% in Arkansas. If you want to elaborate on stats ill be more than glad to take this to DM's
@thatoneguymaybe, if you want to have an adult conversation then feel free to have a healthy debate with me.
Also im not sure if this will work, but here is one of my sources. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
@thatoneguymaybe, I also see your abortion argument. And I know that's going to head down a philosophical rabbit hole. Ill make my comments about that in a bit, im just going to look for some sources for you. Ill get back to you in a bit.
@kurumitokisaki , In Israel with a 78% Vax rate, 60% of their gravely I'll COVID patients were fully vaxxed.
In the UK, they announced 40% of people being admitted to the hospital for COVID were fully vaccinated.
We have seen reports about the US, but those numbers are often *cough*messed with*cough*
Breakthroughs are more common than you think, or else why would we be encouraged to wear masks when you are vaccinated?
I'm more than happy to take it to a better formatted platform. This comment section is really crap for doing this. But it allows others to read, which is why I will do it here normally.
@kurumitokisaki , I'm not sure what you mean by "I also see your abortion argument", since I wasn't making an abortion argument?
You know we can't copy links out of this comment section, right?
@thatoneguymaybe, I dont mind posting our findings here if you wish. This platform just really sucks for debates. And I wasn't sure if link posting didn't work, thought I'd try it anyways. You have discord or something?
@kurumitokisaki , It's much better to do it via Discord, or another platform like that. Are you on the FP Discord? I am only on the FP D&D.
@thatoneguymaybe, ah no I'm not. Know where I can find a link?
@thatoneguymaybe, also I think I may have found your source for Isreal. And its not accounting for the booster shot response after a delta variant outbreak in that country. If we're accounting for the new variant then ofcourse breakthrough cases will rise. But it doesn't mean that vaccines for previous versions of the virus is any less affective. And ontop of that, even with the delta variant, the vaccine has been proven to prevent hospitalizations of the delta variant. But of course you can only go so far with a vaccine thats meant for specific previous variants of the virus.
@kurumitokisaki , Created a spot for these kind of occasions, it's not an FP specific server, but it's perfect for such discussions.
@kurumitokisaki , All the more reason to ask why we would need it now, if it's not effective against the new Variant. Why not just one that is effective? If there is such a thing. The Pfizer booster recently was rejected by the FDA, so they have to try again.
@thatoneguymaybe, also the abortion argument was in reference to your statement that there's no constitutional rights for women to choose what is best for their bodies.
@kurumitokisaki , Ah, I'm interested to see where in the Constitution you will be arguing gives them the right to abortion.
Let me know if that invite doesn't work?
@spongeblade, oh no did I make the anti-vaxxers mad? Good.
Vaccines are safe and save lives. The covid vaccines are safe. Nothing is guaranteed 100%. F off with your misinformation. 0.005% of adverse reactions to vaccines that are majority of the time mild compared to a 50% chance of permanent damage and/or/ 6% chance of the virus is a much better chance to take if you took elementary math.
My kink is chucklefùck anti-vaxxers dying from their own stupidity.
@spongeblade, I don’t think you know how much testing actually goes into the vaccines or what is required of vaccines even in regular times. If you knew how little testing gets done “normally” and how much time they have to sit on their thumbs not actually getting any testing done (sometimes months to years) you’d start to realize that as far as moderna and Pfizer goes, there were absolutely *zero* cuts to testing. You’re just off put by how fast a lab can get testing and funding done when the lazy government powers and stingy big businesses has a fire under their rear end to stop something that can make their cash flow come to a grinding halt.
That being said J&J legitimately did cut corners because virus cultures DO take months and months to cultivate before they can even begin to test it. (And the signs of them fudging the process is there.)They made a product that wasn’t in their field of expertise and obviously need to stay in their lane instead of trying to profit off of this.
@kurumitokisaki , they're killing themselves off and it's hilarious. I have no sympathy for fearmongering "woke" fools who think their 5 minutes of googling makes them as smart as experts.
@LyricTerror, I know right? Its honestly disgusting to see ignorance of something so world threatening become underestimated by people who are just plain stupid. I posted some stats on the discord that further proves my point that vaccines are indeed effective. For the sake of this thread, I shall be posting it here.
@thatoneguymaybe, roe vs wade. 1973. Thats all I have to say to crush that argument.
@thatoneguymaybe, I’m going to need a source for your 50% of patients being hospitalized despite being fully vaccinated. I’m having a hard time finding anything that backs up that statement. But what I will provide is statistics that prove that the vaccine is effective. Below you will find how likely vaccinated people are to be hospitalized compared to an unvaccinated person. The research was done by using the number of breakthroughs and vaccination rates over time in order to estimate rates of hospitalizations and deaths for each group in 40 states in the united states, the data for which you can find here: (Since I cant post links on here ill simply guide you to the page) look up the name Kristen Panthagani, PhD and the title: Some vaccinated people are getting covid. What does this mean. Its on a blog website called youcanknowthings. There the doctor goes over the calculations fairly well.
@thatoneguymaybe, next source is one by the nytimes. Titled: See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Death by state.
Which shows that people who are not fully vaccinated were hospitalized with covid-19 at least five times more often than unvaccinated people, and they die atleast eight time more often.(they show a table of 40 states in the U.S. which proves this, its pretty neat and tickles my nerdy boner)
For any of you that may be wondering why cdc links haven't been provided first, despite it being the most legitmate source. Its simply due to many conservatives not accepting that as a legitmate source and often viewing it as a biased source. But for any of you that want a legitmate scientific source. I urge you to look up: CDC breakthrough cases. They go over the calculations very well.
@thatoneguymaybe, Ok, so I’ve heard the israel stats referenced a lot amongst the conservative community recently, and I just found out why you guys are confused with this data. And it simply has to do with Simpson’s paradox. Basically the whole of the data often looks weirdly different than the sum of its parts. This article explains it very well if you wish to look to into it further: Washington post Title: Coronavirus vaccines do work. But the statistical illusions make people think they don't.
But to elaborate here what’s going on with Israel is that the figures are largely in part due to the relative age groups of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people. To further elaborate, Vaccinated Israelis are older as a group than unvaccinated Israelis and that’s why they’re going to the hospital at a higher rate than you might expect.
@thatoneguymaybe, Now if you were to look at the stats of the younger age group, in this case being Israeli adults under the age of 50, 3.5 million were vaccinated and 1.1 million were not. And among those 3.5 million vaccinated, only 11 were hospitalized, that’s about 3 per 1 million young adults. Meanwhile, those who were unvaccinated in this age range, 43 were in the hospital, or 39 per million. In conclusion the vaccine reduced the rate of hospitalization more than 10-fold in isreal in the population under 50.
And in older people, 2.1 million over the age of 50 were vaccinated, and 290 were in the hospital. That’s about 136 per million, which is to be expected in this age group since older people are more vulnerable to the virus, especially with the current outbreak of a new covid variant being factored in.
@thatoneguymaybe, And for those older folk in Israel that were unvaccinated, keep in mind that the number is just a mere 186,000, 171 were hospitalized. That accounts for as much as 919 per million. Clearly the vaccines are effective.
@thatoneguymaybe, As for your UK stats perhaps it would help for you to provide a source on that, but based on what I’ve found, 60 percent of people being admitted to UK hospitals were unvaccinated, which dwarfs the numbers of any breakthrough case also. I did find out that there was an error made at some point that stated that 60% of those who were admitted were fully vaxxed, but the British government chief scientific advisor, Sir Patrick Vallance, came out to explain that the initial posts was made in error. You can read more about it here: just look up his name and general info on 60% of patients in the UK, it should be simple to find.
@thatoneguymaybe, Furthermore, vaccines are never 100% effective. And when you apply it to the entire planet, statistical anomalies and people misrepresenting data becomes common place. Vaccines have played a crucial role in our fight against diseases, we’ve used them and mandated them many times before. Today, all states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. territories have vaccination requirements for children to attend school and childcare facilities. State laws establish vaccination requirements, as well as mechanisms for enforcement and rules for exemption. Below you can find a list of diseases that have required some form of vaccine mandate:
The majority up until now has never caused a fuss about these mandates, because many people understood that this was done to protect the community.
@thatoneguymaybe, Every since smallpox, this has been understood. Until now, where rather than treating it has a health issue, its become a political talking point, which has been a problem.
In conclusion, breakthroughs are not common, they are rare, unless you factor in the delta variant; for which booster shots will be provided for. By avoiding the vaccine, you are only guaranteeing yourself an early death. I encourage you to get the vaccine as soon as you can, or better yet, get new round of vaccine shots that will account for the delta variant once they are made public and approved by the FDA
@LyricTerror, thanks for chiming in. I thought i was the only one here that was in my right mind. Im surprised to see the funny pics community so split.
@kurumitokisaki , And here I thought we were moving to Discord? I haven't been able to respond in full yet, I'm not continuing on here, because of the bad format.
I'll be more in depth on Discord, but Roe V Wade isn't constitutional, the opinion of the court at that time, was just an opinion, on what they thought was meant.
It's not outlined in the Constitution at all.
They just tried to say that it's what was meant.
@kurumitokisaki , Either boomers found this app or those that have been using this app have slowly succumbed to conspiratorial retardation as they age. It's also a well known tactic for hate groups to infiltrate places such as these and slowly push their beliefs/views. I'm not surprised at all the shift in here. I mean, on another meme people are triggered that someone said to punch nazis and downvoted them. We see you. 😉
ETA: the downvotes on this only prove me right even more.
@thatoneguymaybe, if you go to the Supreme Court website in reference to the fourteenth amendment under their roe vs wade section. Its not just an opinion, its a valid interpretation of the constitution's 14th amendment. Denying that is anti-intellectualism. You're basically arguing with the source itself.
@LyricTerror, I'm down to punch all the nazis on here.
@kurumitokisaki , let's do it!
@kurumitokisaki , I'm completely on board with punching Nazis. But only actual Nazis, and not whatever you, or the left thinks are Nazis.
You point out an actual one, and I'll be right there with you punching.
@thatoneguymaybe, its not that you guys are actual nazis. Its that the talking point tactics made by the right are almost reflective to the ones made by nazis. And when you add that to a topic this controversial, it becomes quite violent. That's why I hate that disagreements on this have become political, it allows for people to completely twist the stats to their favor.
@thatoneguymaybe, it also doesn't help that actual nazis seem to be feeding into anti vax talking points. Making it look extremely sus in terms of what side your on
@thatoneguymaybe, but hey, if you're down to punch nazis, then I don't give a shvt what you believe in.
@kurumitokisaki , lol are you enjoying your circle jerk of bs leftist conspiracies? If you want to punch Nazis I suggest you look in the mirror and at your fellow leftists wanting to lock up the non compliant into internment camps. Australia and Canada already have them. Gfy
@spongeblade, whatever you say facist. You still have yet to disprove anything I stated. Seems to me like you're nothing more but a reactionary with no facts to back anything up. If anyone is being conspiratorial, its you. Atleast thatoneguymaybe invited me to a discord to argue his point.
@spongeblade, how about you take the time to reference a source and back your statements, instead of looking like a misinformed right winger.
@LyricTerror, hey I found one to punch.
@kurumitokisaki , I've referenced plenty of well documented news stories that your halfwit brain ignores. You keep using that word fascist, I do not think it means what you think it means. Fascism is complete government control over everybody's life. You argue for government control over every aspect of life while I'm arguing for freedom of choice. The fact you can't grasp that simple concept is why I wouldn't waste my time trying to have an intellectual conversation with your ilk. I have fully succeeded in pissing you off though. Holy crap you keep posting away even when I'm not here lol. Enjoy your miserable life. It's going to crumble pretty soon. Gfy
@kurumitokisaki , you found a Nazi? I didn't think you had a mirror, but I'm glad you recognize yourself as one.
@spongeblade, you did?? WOW really? Where? Because all I see are reactionary statements that stated no sources whatsoever. Atleast I referenced plenty of sources with plenty of stats for you to look over.
Also im calling you facist because of your constant fear mongering using blatant false statements that can be disproved with a simple Google search. Your non backed statements is proof enough of that fact. If you're so sure of the vaccines ineffectiveness, then prove it, because at this point you're arguing a null point.
@kurumitokisaki , I have to ask, what "talking point tactics" are the right using that are similar to the Nazis?
The left are the ones advocating for segregation with race, and Vax status, as well as trying to remove free speech, and gun rights.
I'm not aware of any actual Nazis saying anything anti-vax, but I'm sure they could exist. Plus, I wonder if you think we are anti-vaxxers on the right? Just because we have questions, and concerns about this one in particular, or maybe one or two others, doesn't make us anti-vaxxers, it makes us skeptical. Which is what science demands.
Also, I am working on your response, but I will not be posting it here, this format is too frustrating, especially to have to do it on my phone.
I'll provide a permanent invite for users to join at their convenience.
@spongeblade, also when did I argue for governmental control over every aspect of life?
Good job in making false statements and immediately fvcking off as soon as someone calls you out.. And also letting someone else argue a point for you, must be pretty sad staying inside the cute echo chamber of yours.
@kurumitokisaki , "fear mongering" ahahahahaga. What a dumb@$$ you are. If saying think for yourself is fear mongering that I'm proud to be one.
Back in reality though that's what you're doing. You're projecting your own bs onto everybody else,as per usual with you leftist fascist fvcks. Fear mongering is threatening everybody that doesn't comply with the loss off you job, prison, not being able to even go shopping. Fear mongering is scaring everybody into avoiding drugs like Ivermectin that have been used on millions of people safely foe decades in order to get a "vaccine" that routinely hasn't worked. Fear mongering is shutting down the largest economy in the world over a virus less deadly than the flu. The reason I mock you about looking into a mirror isn't purely a joke. You really are the evil fascist pos that you pretend to oppose. Gfy
@kurumitokisaki , lol "immediately fvcking off"? Because I didn't reply in .000002 seconds? You're not that special lol. I only tell fvckwits like you to piss off when I'm bored. I do have a life because I don't sit in fear of every waking moment like you leftist twats.
@thatoneguymaybe, segregation with race? You're gonna have to elaborate on that chief.
The proud boys who have been known for white supremacy organizing, and the spread of covid misinformation, and who are publicly seen with neo nazis within their protests are the type of nazis supporting anti vax statements. If you want sources for this, ill be more than happy to provide that to you in the discord.
You aren't expressing concerns. You are confidently stating blatantly false info that I debunked with a fairly simple Google search. (And duckduckgo). This is beyond being skeptical. And trust me I can get behind being skeptical, its the source of your skeptism that you stated such as the stats by israel and the UK that is the problem. This entire time you have provided statements that are either factually untrue, or misinterpreted.
@spongeblade, are you seriously arguing for the horse dewormer? Oh please keep arguing for that I dare you. Please continue so that I can slam dunk this one.
@spongeblade, lol what threats have I made so far in this discussion. You continue pivotting beyond any of the fact based statements that I provided. How about instead of "not wasting my time" how about you actually engage with facts provided to you like I did with thatoneguymaybe. Because right now, you stating "I wouldn't waste my time trying to have an intellectual conversation with you." Isn't helping your case here.
@kurumitokisaki , they always out themselves.
@kurumitokisaki , oh you didn't hear? They're onto swigging iodine now. For all this talk about "leftists" being the ones trying to kill everyone with vaccines, they're sure doing a great job of killing their own with denying covid is real, denying actual medicine, and doing their own version of tide pod challenges. They're free to continue.
@thatoneguymaybe, as to the talking point tactics that are similar to nazis, im specifically referencing the rejection of modernism, and resistance to criticism, along with the fear of difference.
Rejection of modernism: When you have right wing leaders express doubt of FDA approved vaccines despite the overwhelming evidence that proves its effectiveness, it reflects the natzis tactic of invalidating "Jewish science" and their political tactic of them invalidating all science that comes from "the enemy", calling it communist propaganda instead of actually engaging with the data presented.
Resistance to critism: facists cannot stand analytical critism and refuse to ever accept that they're wrong. Many outright refuse to engage like spongeblade. The natzis did this in order to avoid the ethical question of their questionable minority policies.
The fear of difference: and finally, exploiting the fear of others. Along with separating people based on cultural differences and labeling the ideas of the political opposition as false science. Many people on the right are doing this in order to dismiss critics and to further demonize the left. I will admit that there are woke scolds in the left that are feeding ammo into this talking point.
@kurumitokisaki , They are making black only school graduations, black only campus spaces. The Racial Justice Task Force in the University of Pennsylvania. George Mason University with its Black Freshman Orientation, as a few examples off the top of my head.
Back up, I'm not defending the Proud Boys, but could you give me some sources of them organizing White Supremacy, and being seen with "known" neo-Nazis?
Well, you are welcome to believe it's "blatantly false info" but that all depends on if you want to believe that, or look at reality.
I sent you the response, because you didn't provide anything intellectually convincing for your "facts".
It's still skeptical, whether you want it to be or not.
Nothing was misinterpreted, or factually untrue about Isreal or the UK. You and others just tried to make it sound better by explaining it in a better light.
Thats misrepresentation, and lying to achieve a goal.
@kurumitokisaki , Hold up their buster. As outlined in my response, you will see its not FDA approved. Even if it was, it would have only just now been approved. So you cannot call prior approval people "Nazi-like".
We engage with the data represented, but are called names, and pushed away, instead of arguing on the data, which sounds like what you claim the right does.
RTC: You just described the vast majority of leftists. While Spongeblade is a good example of such a person, it's more common by leftists. Note your originally responses to me.
You also still fill your responses with a majority of it, and then try to argue facts a bit along the way.
The left is massively resistant to criticism. Which is why we are having this conversation in the first place.
@kurumitokisaki , FOD: You just described what you, and the majority of the left are doing. I'm beyond disbelief that you would say this, while doing exactly what you are saying.
The fear of "the unvaccinated" "the science-deniers". "We must seperate them from society. "
The very fact that the left hates White people so much, and targets them, trying to make minorities fear them.
Make minorities fear police, and other authorities is a huge contributing factor.
I'm glad you admit it, and I'll gladly admit people on the right contribute ammo to the talking points.
@kurumitokisaki , For those interested in participating in the discussion, or just viewing the conversation in full, here is the link to the Discord: https://discord.gg/mFY3U6bURd
@kurumitokisaki , Basically, if you reverse "left" and "right" in your statements above about talking points, you will have it correct, and it will reflect actual reality.
Most of what I've seen from people who haven't gotten the vaccine aren't telling others not to get it, they just why they don't want it. Everyone I have talked to i have told that if they feel the need to get it then do so, but get it because you want it, not because someone told you too. I originally planned on getting it but all the research I did basically came back with "don't question it, just go get it now or you're a bad person" yes I'm sure there are jackasses out there that are telling people not to take it but most of us just don't want to be forced to take something we are not sure about and we'd rather wait for more info.
@Hesediel, This! People assume that we tell other people not to get it. But I don't want it, especially with everything that surrounds it.
But if someone else wants to get it, they can knock themselves out.
I'll advise people I know of the entire situation so they have more information than what they are fed by the media, but they are free to make their own choices.
You know, because we should have that freedom.
@Hesediel, honestly. Even though I disagree, this is a position that I can completely understand and make sense of. its better than spreading misinformed statistics like some people do. If you choose not to then I hope you actively do what you can to mitigate the spread, especially if your doctor gives you a legitmate health reason not to get the shot.
@Hesediel, weird everyone I see not getting it are spreading lies about what's in the vaccine and shaming others for getting it. Must be nice in your bubble.
@LyricTerror, everyone huh, well, hello I'm not getting the vaccine but if you feel you need it or even just want it then by all means go and get it, I just encourage you to do your own research and arrive at that decision on your own instead of being shamed, bullied, or forced into one decision or the other. I'm also going to request that you give others the same privilege to choose for themselves.
@Hesediel, "dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh" aka "Google things that agree with my already biased views". Lol nah. I'll listen to actual experts. If your "research" finds you disagreeing with the thousands of scientists and medical experts who all agree otherwise, you're not thinking for yourself/woke/smarter than them. You're just wrong.
You equate freedom of choice that doesn't effect anyone but yourself with choices that effect others and walks over their rights to not get sick, and that is not only stupid, but dangerous. Your health isn't more important than others. This was already voted on in the Supreme Court. the government cannot force you to be vaccinated, but your communities are within their right to deny you access to their public and private spaces on a state by state basis. Jacobson v Massachusetts.
@LyricTerror, I didn't know that "make your own choices" would hurt you feelings so much. There are plenty of people on both sides but media coverage of "we don't know yet" doesn't get views and sorry if I don't trust fauci after him flip floping on everything about the virus, or would you prefer I trust the experts who said there was no evidence of person to person transmission.
Right to not get sick? I must have missed that one, can you show me where that is written down? If you are confident in the vaccines ability to work then you shouldn't be worried about who has it. Jacobson v Massachusetts, the Civil rights case from the same era of the Tuskegee study and that Jim crow laws where enacted, you'll have to forgive me for questioning the ethics on that one.
I never said that the vaccine is bad, just that I am not satisfied with the information I can find, and I think mandating a vaccine that has existed for about a year is a bit irresponsible, and I want to wait for more info.
@Hesediel, the vaccines are perfectly safe and the information out there is more than reasonable. This type of vaccine has been studied since the 1970's and is now currently curing blindness, some cancers, and even moving to human trials to cure Alzheimer's. That alone should tell you all you need to know.
As much as you'd like it to, no, your comment did "hurt my feelings", but it did hurt my brain having to read it with its sad attempt. I don't get my information from the media (I don't even have cable) I don't get my information from Fauci or the government, I get it from the actual experts in the respective fields actually doing the work, some of them I know personally. They're goddamn humans like you and I and it gets tiring seeing them demonized, along with their hard work misconstrued, twisted, and blatantly lied about by people who think their internet Google searching equates to what they do.
@Hesediel, I mentioned Jacobson v Massachusetts and how the Supreme Court ruled it. it's easy to find and read so that you can understand that your right to refuse modern medicine doesn't trump the rights of others to be safe from illness in their communities.
@LyricTerror, the majority of testing for mrna vaccines has been conducted on rats and ferrets, and I tend not to believe anything that says they are "perfectly safe" especially being as that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine was linked to blood clots, there isn't anything in medicine that is perfectly safe, for the vast majority of it the risks are astronomically low but they still exist. And do you have any sources for mrna being used to cure blindness and cancers I would be interested in reading on that, I couldn't find anything o. Blindness and only hypothetical for cancer or in extremely early testing. I'm not demonizing anyone I simply would like to know more about something before I'm forced to inject it into my body, and most of what I've seen is, "don't question it or you're disagreeing with the experts, it's perfectly safe, you're a bad person it you don't get it." I don't just blindly trust anyone, not even "experts" as you said they are human, they are not infallible.
@LyricTerror, in the case of Jacobson v Massachusetts, and I definatly wouldn't call anything about that case modern, it allowed for a state to decide not a federal mandate, it also allowed for a party to refuse it and pay a $5 fine. And I will again remind you that other rulings made around that time where, let's call them less than ethical.
@Hesediel, it's been used in the last year to defend today's mandates and still applies as the cases were won. Whether other cases were ethical or not doesn't make this case less ethical nor should those be considered. If you're going to debate on whether we should continue following laws and rulings based on how "modern" it is, I could argue against the entire constitution.
@Hesediel, 0.005% chance of a serious adverse effect from a vaccine is far better chances than the 50% chance of permanent cognitive/brain, heart, lung, and other organ damage along with severe blood clots and permanent erectile dysfunction and sterilization in men and even the "small" 7% chance of death.
@LyricTerror, I would really like to see your sources for this because that really seems like you just pulled that out of your ass.
@Hesediel, the information comes mostly from CDC. The website is free to visit. the rest of my info comes from the various studies being done on the effects of Covid on the body, also freely available to view if you actually know how to look up legit information.
@LyricTerror, I meant could you give me a link to: 50% chance of permanent organ damage (that sounds very exaggerated, even for the 80+ age group). I would also like to see a link for severe blood clots and ED/sterilization. I have done my own research mainly cdc and mayoclinic and have never come across that, so if you could link your sources that'd be great, otherwise i don't think I'm gonna believe that.
I guess android really is the way to go then.
I remember my first IPhone joke too
Not to mention emergency FCC approval.