Can... can I not say both are bad? But beyond that I'm just tired of gay characters having no personality except being gay.
@that anime guy, I’m tired of gay characters.
@weneedacrusade, nobody complains about characters who are so in the closet that you don’t know they’re gay!
@that anime guy, legitimately wish there were more well-rounded characters that just happen to be gay, and it's not a major plot point.
@that anime guy, I liked kipo specifically because that wasnt that big of a theme overall
@that anime guy, representation of any group has suffered from just token representation. You want to make a good character? Don’t make them a group/demographic just to check off a box. More badass female characters? 1990s Xena and Buffy. We’re they perfect? No but the were better than just being token characters. Gay? Again Xena and Buffy had those without being just token characters. Again not perfect but far better than just checking the boxes. Don’t sell a character on the boxes they check but by how compelling of a character they are.
@that anime guy, it is so uncommon that when it does happen it really stands out. The character in Shadow and Bone is a really good example.
@ThePandaPool , the artemis fowl movie makes me resentful to casting based on agenda. I really loved that book seriez growing up but I would seriously consider punching the writing director for that movie if I met him. At the very least I would harass the hell out of them.
@Runnin with scissors, lol. That seems to be the popular opinion on that movie. I started it, and though it had well designed things in it, there was nothing gripping enough to keep me watching.
@weneedacrusade, bruh the ones in arcane are actually really good. Its because they arnt GAY CHARACTERS! They are really interesting deeply thought out flawed human people that happen to be gay, and not a cardboard cut out mouthpiece of a character used to beat the audience over the head with the writers personal political oppinions.
@that anime guy, thank you. Jesus. And this wasn't shown to children like Saturday cartoons. People don't realize this.
@that anime guy, the gay guy from Drawn Together
@that anime guy, but gay is their personality!
@that anime guy, i also hate when a character that isn't gay, is suddenly. Like there was a quota to make and they couldnt create a good original character. Shjts more offensive than no gay character
@that anime guy, the Simpsons did it right with Mr. Smithers. We all knew he was gay, even us kids. We just knew with the way they handled him and no one really cared or made it a big deal. I heard he got married in the show recently, so good for him.
Don’t shoehorn in gay characters for the sake of having gay characters. If your character being gay enhances the story, your character should be gay. If it’s irrelevant, than your characters sexuality shouldn’t be addressed as part of the story at all.
Well that was 1942
@twopotatoes, you know an argument is lost when you dig that far back.
@Eat me, kinda but this is the present and gay culture is widely accepted and normal so it's not like I dislike when they throw in a realistic gay character.
@Eat me, they should have went with Captain Planet.
@dogsowar2000, make a counter you puss
Well, by this, one should understand that gays SHOULD be represented in children’s cartoons, but portrayed as villains. Omit gays on children’s programming or portray them as villains… tough call.
@Cave Dweller, sssshhh! Oh dear! No, don’t point out that these cartoons were ridiculing and belittling the nazis. These people are too stupid to comprehend that and you’ll just make them angry and violent.
@Hot Coffee, I think you’re right.
Hot take, but showing your kid that different types of people exist is not a political agenda, nor is it a bad thing.
@tampon thief, so the Klan should get a serious adaptation that shows them in a good light? Neo-nazis? The Black Panthers? The Weather Underground?
Let's keep rolling it back to the Southern slavers that mercilessly beat and raped black people.
Or maybe the Jacobins as they were crucifying Christians.
Or the Spanish Inquisition when they were burning witches.
I understand that it's a hot take, but half of the problems with the gay community stems off of politics. It is not the Martin Luther King Style a civil rights, it is imitating the Revolutionary styles of Malcolm X. Where now they got "equality" now it's their turn.
98% of all "homophobia" would die over night, if pride parades where wholesome.
@That one lurker, I disagree but whatever you want to go with man
@Runnin with scissors, do you not see US pride prarades as garish stereotypes of homosexuality?
The entire parade has turned into a leather fetish furry parade all about thrusting dildos in kids faces.
Look at the contrast between that and Japan's Pride Parade.
Literal normal people, walking down the streets, in normal everyday attire.
No freaky perverts.
No drag queen humping a t-shirt cannon.
Just, normal people. Holding hands.
@That one lurker, your comment is of course being facetious, obviously we don't promote hate groups, we show kids people that are possibly different than them so we can all be more accepting. Not showing hate groups because we shouldn't be accepting of that. Also, I get what you're saying about wholesomeness, but I also don't ever blame people who have literally been killed for being who they are, taking advantage of their newfound freedom to express themselves openly.
@That one lurker, also, don't think the black panthers should be lumped in with the rest of those groups, but that's just me I guess
@That one lurker, I mean I've been to a couple parades and most arent acting fvcky like you seem to think. It's kinda the minority making the majority look bad.
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, my point exactly, what is a "hate group?" I'd say that a a group of black supremacist communists would be on the same level as white supremacists socialists i.e. neo-nazis.
@Runnin with scissors, in that same vain.
The Westboro Baptist Church has a congregation of 11 people.
But Pride parades are accepting the kink community in the same parades.
So, if it is a minority, and the majority doesn't do nothing about it and in fact encourages its growth. Then it is the majorities problem.
@That one lurker, I take issue with teachers who groom students towards LGBT groups because they think they know what's best for kids, while actively trying to hide it from the parents. Becoming a common story trend lately.
@That one lurker, I dont think you should compare the two because they arent on the same level of hate. I honestly dont really care if people wanna express their kinks I dont think it should be important to the parade but like I said before it's not the main motivation or as relevant in the "gay" community as you think.
I do disagree with overt racism and discrimination. idk think of me is as a hypocrite if youd like but comparing the two is nonsense.
@Runnin with scissors, non since, he declared " showing your kid that different types of people exist is not a political agenda, nor is it a bad thing."
He called it a hot take for a reason, since he isn't thinking the next step ahead. Which is what I point out.
I'm not comparing the gay community to the klan.
That should be self-evident.
I am trying to head off the hypocrisy argument later brought up by @EVILdrPORKCHOP3.
Since his argument tations wasn't based on principals but on morals.
"It's only good to show it, since it's our side."
Something he demonstrated with the second post.
@That one lurker, I didnt know we were so hung up on the other comments I was just saying I disagree with you. I didnt even really read his comments until now but I dont find them to be "It's only good to show it, since it's our side," (who are you quoting btw). Idk your comments and exaggerated comparisons speak more about yourself than I can but either way I disagree with your comments on this thread.
@tampon thief, hot take, that’s not what they’re doing.
@Runnin with scissors, Your downplay of The Black Panthers, speaks volumes about you.
Should we through Antifa, or BLM in? BLM is a hate group, and Antifa may as well be, even though they are more of a terrorist organization than a hate group.
Black Supremacy is just as bad as White Supremacy.
The Black Panthers are just as bad as Neo-Nazis.
I'll condemn both, but don't try to make it seem like it's not really that bad on one side.
It's not exaggerating at all with that, nor with the Pride Parades.
It's very common at parades for debauchery to be rampant. You may not see it, but it's everywhere.
Since you attended one, I wonder if you don't notice it as much, since you chose to go there.
@Runnin with scissors, I'm quoting each of you.
Non of you showed principal, only a moral duty to defend what is yours.
You are all tribalist in the simplest of terms.
As noted by the fact that you didn't even read the comment that I was commenting on before you commented.
What if he said something extremely egregious.
Like, "the South will rise again, we need to show kids the right types of people exist not political agendas. To show the gays that they ain't welcome."
First, I'm glad he didn't.
Secound, he said something equally as moronic.
My entire comment was to point out how moronic he was.
Because if he was in a different time and place, he'd be goose-stepping with you right beside him.
@thatoneguymaybe, um I didn't even talk about the black Panthers though. Like not even once. I dont agree with them.
also they do a lot of pride parades I didnt choose to go there I just went to a downtown area during one. maybe you should try going before speaking about others.
@That one lurker, nah I read the first comment I just didnt read all of the replies seemed like a waste of time.
also after reading the other comments he never said that nor did I so once again who are you quoting? who said "it's only good to show it since it's our side,"? not anyone here except you now.
I just disagreed with your comparison and complaints about gay culture.
I dont think I'm goose-stepping
@Runnin with scissors,
are you autistic?
I'm sorry if you are, I do not intend to make fun of people based on their personal problems.
I'm asking because you're taking of me extremely literal.
All I'm saying is, you are caught in the cultural claptrap.
You are a product of your time.
Which is dangerous, because you're not a free thinker, but a cog in the machine.
Here's an example for you.
In the early 1920's a problem hit Germany. It was hard for people to make money to buy food. The Socialist parties of Germany made special work programs to help the people. War casualties across the country where given opportunity to work and make things for food. They was given shelter when they had non, and was kept off the streets.
Was this a good socialist program? Free food, free board, and meaningful state funded labor. Only there until they made enough to get back on their feet.
@Runnin with scissors, It seems that you may have been responding to another comment, but it's very unclear.
You have however shown that you don't really read context, so that doesn't help either.
You claimed that it's the minority making the majority look bad, say you have been to a few.
But then respond to me saying you didn't choose to go, just went downtown, and ran into one.
Which is it, did you go to a few, or stumble into a single one?
How do you know I haven't been to one? Why do I need to go to one, when we get to see the raw footage of the crap they do there? It's not the minority at all.
@thatoneguymaybe, I guess a few is an a few is an exaggeration I've been to one for LGBT by accident and a couple other parades including an early BLM one but I've been to a few others if you include the "dikes on bikes" parade which is more just a bunch of lesbians and gay dudes on bikes and it's kinda fun to watch. It for sure is the minority the parades are huge.
I think you have a bigger problem reading comments in line. I was disagreeing with his comparison using the westborro baptist church as a parallel for allowing minorities to act out.
@That one lurker, um so now you are calling names, that's the way to win an argument. I'm having a hard time not taking you literally when you claimed one of the above comments said that and wont acknowledge that you were wrong.
We are all products of our own society and I'd like to strongly argue I'm more of a free thinker only because my view points are varied and you seem to have the same rhetoric in every comment line. But whatever man you do you I just disagree with you and that should be ok with you rather than obviously pissing you off when I ask you a question.
@Runnin with scissors, you're not pissing me off, I am not calling you names, and I'm not doing an exact quote. You'd understand that if you could read subtext.
That is why I tried to take a macro lens to the argument.
Extending an olive branch.
Trying to make sure that this wasn't a misunderstanding based on you having a personal problem with understanding social cues.
On a separate point, that should be brought up since I know biker culture. Dikes on bikes is not a pride parade. It is a bikers parade based around a shared discovery of the freedom of the open road.
Like most bikers parades and gatherings.
So no, it's a gay biker rally/celebration, not a lgbt parade based around flash and glamour.
Dikes on bikes, would most likely describe themselves as Bikers first gay secound.
While most at a pride parade are gay and maybe something else, if they're lucky.
@Runnin with scissors, Okay, well that does help clarify.
You may not have noticed it, but it's very common, and if it's a minority, only barely one. Because 49% is a minority, but not really.
(I am using that number as an example, not the actual number.)
Based on what I have seen, it's close to half at minimum.
It makes sense, we predicted that it would lead to unsavory things being propped up, and more and more we see that happen. Even Pedos are getting treated like they are normal, and fine by these groups and parades.
It's not even close to being all lollipops and rainbows.
I see my disconnect, you have not responded to many of the points made, and so your comments can be taken many different ways. I can see how they fit in the lineup, but from the start, it isn't obvious, and could be your answer to pieces of other comments.
@Runnin with scissors, Have to agree with TOL, you haven't read social cues well, you misrepresent a lot, and you don't fully respond to things.
TOL was being as nice as possible to ask if you were Autistic because of the way you have been commenting. It would make sense to me.
You are far less open minded than you think, and I mean that including comments outside of this thread. You may think you are a free thinker, but you haven't shown it yet.
You are free to disagree (at least last I checked), that's fine, but don't get offended if someone has a problem with your disagreement, or misrepresentation of the facts.
“Daffy the antisemitic Duck”
@redfive5, um, Daffy Duck is black. That duck is clearly white.
Something something cartoons were adults only entertainment back in the 40s and 50s
@CrazyManInaBox, you are of course correct.
This wasn't kids cartoons shown in their bedroom on thier iPad without the parents knowledge or input like today. Today is much worse.
Back then, these were semi lighthearted inserts into public information films in the Saturday cinema for adults. Another good example is the mini 'wizardry on wheels' which was also not aimed at kids, but was aimed at adults to show that parents could take thier kids abroad to Europe on a budget, as if they were just nipping down the shops.
They really were different times. And hopefully we have learnt from them, like in 50 years others will learn from the massive mistakes we are making right now but are too blind or proud to see it, unfortunately
Beware there’s a lurker downvoting people.... yes I see you Aku! Use your words instead of downvotes so we can either have a real discussion and laugh after, or we can all see your words are less potent than your downvotes!
Well in 1942 the treated homosexuality as an illness not a political ideology. Now we treat illness as political ideology so let go back between the two.
False equivalence. The gay character in the show is there for pro-gay reasons. These cartoons were mocking Hitler. Think the gay characters are there to mock gay people? Nope.