@Cheechaluuu, There's a special place in Heaven for people like you
@Cheechaluuu, Unwashedington Foreskins
I still want them to be the Washington whiteskins. That should piss anyone who actually cared off and make the rest of us giggle
@BigJohnson86, Pale Faces
Washington Sportsball Team
Ah yes, the progressive dream! Purge Native Americans from popular culture and keep them separated from the evil hawhite demons.
@Hot Coffee, not having team mascots that are literally ethnic stereotypes is not purging that ethnic group from popular culture.
That would be like arguing that banning the use of blackface is purging black people from popular culture and keeping them separate from white people.
It’s a stupid argument.
@I Are Lebo, The Seminole Tribe specifically asked Florida State to keep them as the mascot. They didn't wanted to be purged from the American consciousness.
edit* As a Swede, I think the vikings name and mascot is bada$$. My only regret is that the team is bad.
@I Are Lebo, I don’t think you know what stereotypes are. Your analogy is wrong. Your criticism of my criticism is wrong.
Is the fact that many Native American people have red hue in their skin a stereotype? No, it’s biologic reality, and according to progressives your skin tone is the most important thing about you.
I can’t even begin to see how banning blackface = purging black people is the remotely similar to changing the name of a sports team because “I’m offended” which is literally removing Native Americans from an active facet of modern culture.
Stupid counter argument.
@Hot Coffee, have you even seen their mascot? The giant faced big toothed ‘indian’ jumping around the field is a complete mockery of indigenous people. Pointing at a person who doesn’t care and being like “see it’s okay” is beyond dishonest.
It has nothing to do with being offended. Making your mascot a race of people is ethnic stereotyping.
It would be no different to have an Asian stereotype be the mascot of the Yellowskins.
The fact that you can’t see the similarity has everything to do with your willful ignorance and nothing whatsoever to do with me. The analogy was solid, my criticism is valid. Deal with it or don’t, idgaf. If you think not having racial or ethnic parodies as sports mascots is removing said ethnic group from pop culture, you’re simply wrong.
@I Are Lebo, Stop saying someone is wrong because you are offended. Nobody cares if your offended. The intent of those creating the name and logo is what's important. The intent of the creators in this case was respect. Respect for Red Cloud and his final speech. Respect for a proud and noble people. It was acknowledgment and remembrance of what we as a nation had done to them. It was an act of defiance against the leaders of Washington who were trying to sweep the Indian wars under the rug. Stop making this into something its not. Especially when you have no clue why they became the Redskins in the first place.
@AverageIdiot, they’re not wrong because I’m offended. They’re wrong because they’re wrong.
Like I said before, it has absolutely nothing to do with offence. It has to do with principles. And the principle of not reducing an entire ethnic group to a goofy mascot is one that has not been equally applied, historically.
The intent is absolutely irrelevant. If there was a sports team named The Big Lips with a stereotypical black man as their mascot, I wouldn’t give a shït what was in the hearts or minds of the creators. I’m not black, it wouldn’t be about me.
Making a mockery of an ethnic group is not respectful. There’s a level of willful ignorance that’s needed in connecting recognition of a people and making a joke of their identity. That big headed Indian prancing around a baseball field was NOT a remembrance.
You tell me to stop making it what it’s not. You stop ignoring what it is.
@I Are Lebo, tell that to my aunt Jamima
@I Are Lebo, you’re stating your opinions as if they’re facts.
And no, you’re analogy is non sequitur. Washington Redskins is an institution, blackface is an activity. They are not even in the same state of existence. You’re comparing apples to snowboarding. The only commonality some people think they are offensive.
Everything is offensive to someone.
@I Are Lebo, and to be clear, I don’t care if the Washington Redskins change their name and mascot. I hope the find something that makes their fans happy.
@Hot Coffee, I’m a black man. I wish a team would become the King Jr’s, with their symbol as MLK. If they eventually make a mascot with big lips that looks silly, it means they are awesome. That would be a great thing. I’m sure the Native American tribes feel the same way.
@Child Slapper, hell yeah! That would be awesome. It boggles the mind that people think having something that is loved and cherished named for a group could be considered an insult.
Maybe the Redskins can take on the MLK mantle!
@Hot Coffee, “I had a dream! That we’d win the Super Bowl this year!!”
I'd 100% root for a team called the Washington Washingtons.
Yay more repression of the past cause it doesn’t line up with todays values….
@LorienNine, go cry about it
@cheesechake, I mean that’s essentially what people are doing to get the changes done. To be fair, a football team is probably the most relevant thing that could change and probably makes sense to change. I more am of my above mindset for the removal of old statues like the one of Thomas Jefferson if I’m remembering correctly.
@LorienNine, there’s a difference between repression of values and changing a name because it’s a straight up racial slur which is what “Redskins” is
@Longhornterry, so the fact that 9 out of 10 of native Americans actually wanted to keep the name according to polls means …..
@Longhornterry, which is why I said less the change of the name of a football team in my response. My best friend is Native American and couldn’t care less. I thinks it’s more dumb to, as I said, take down statues due to a gap in values because of the era.
@Longhornterry, do you often speak with indians? Ever been to tribal lands?
I promise you they dont give a single shít about what the white man does so long as we stay off their land like we agreed, but we seem to have a problem with that too.
But no, lets make pointless symbolic changes that benefit no one and makes a small group of mostly white people feel better about themselves.
Like johnson here said, most natives see this as erasing their marks, and further white washing their lands and history. It was a mark of cohesion, a small symbol of inclusion but now its gone in the name of pregress.
@LorienNine, gap in values lmao, are you talking about slavery? Yea those statues should come down why commemorate bad people?
@Longhornterry, I don’t even understand the ignorance you’re displaying. Commemorate a bad person? You’re talking someone who helped create the country. It’s not like the man committed genocide, he was party to the norm of that time. Andrew Jackson is one that did some terrible things, by any value standards. A man that had slaves when that was literally the norm? Yep must be evil right….
Haha yes, go foobawl
The George Washington's would be better
That’s the wrong Washington.
@Nurse Joy, nah, you're thinking of the state of Seattle