*antagonist. Abuela is not a villain.
@Pyvin, exactly. She puts strain on family's relationships with each other, which gets resolved in the end and everyone loves each other again. That's definitely not villainy.
@StoneFarb, The real villain is the Disney corporation itself.
@Mag3rPayne, bowing to homophobic regimes and china alike just to make a quick buck
@Pyvin, You are perfectly correct … but I seriously dislike her for how she discarded her little granddaughter for something the poor girl had no control over. Mirabel is such an amazing person that she still finds it in herself to be so loving and caring in spite of the deep low self esteem her grandmother inflicted on her. And anyone can bring up all the Abuelo Pedro trauma they’d like, it still doesn’t change that she put an innocent through misery for ten years, and to a degree her son Bruno too (though it can be argued that his gift was too much for him and everyone around, and caused the relationships to strain).
@Darkbear, the whole movie was about abuela realizing that her fear of losing the family power was only accelerating it. An argument could be made that the movie was about her coming to terms with her faults instead of mirabel overcoming her "normalcy".
@Mag3rPayne, And you are also perfectly correctly. I’ll even add that as Mirabel herself comes to understand, we are meant to feel Abuela’s trauma at having lost her husband like that so shortly after giving birth to triplets. And yet I still cannot stand how she cast aside young Mirabel like yesterday’s garbage when she did not manifest powers, so shortly after being so warm and proud before the ceremony. Just because I can empathise with someone’s trauma and how it leads them to do bad things to others, doesn’t mean I’m not repulsed by those actions.
The devil in Fantasia wasn't evil. He just wanted to have a party!
@Lightbringer, same with the ‘real’ life one
@PassingThrough , Yes, the biblical Satan certainly sounds like the hero; providing knowledge and standing up against oppression and tyranny. A character we all would do well to emulate.
@Lightbringer, all he did was wake up from a nap
Why does every Disney movie have the character who is stuck in their ways and needs to learn to change? I wanna see a movie where the young person keeps screwing everything up, and the lesson of the movie is sometimes traditions are there for a reason
@Sappy Poop Stain, Pixar's Coco has both actually
@Sappy Poop Stain, because the truth of humanity is that we are constantly changing, and preserving traditions for the sake of tradition is actually a demonstrably poor choice when compared with learning and growing as your own person.
Because spoiler, most movies have a young hero screw things up trying to follow someone else's "proper" way, and discover that there's usually a harder but better way to do good in the world.
Tl;dr - that's a terrible message for a kids movie. It's dangerously close to brainwashing or propaganda, in fact. "Follow my rules because they're the rules, and don't you dare question it"
@Sappy Poop Stain, Sounds like a pretty shìte premise for a movie ngl
@Sappy Poop Stain, and why are all the movies have a Spanish setting?!
@LowKeyImGay, I didn’t realize The Avengers was set in Spain, or were you talking about Star Wars?
@Sappy Poop Stain, Because life is never as simple as “follow tradition and things go well”. The healthy thing to teach children (that all of these movies try to do) is to question tradition and come to your own conclusions about what will and won’t work in you life. What you’re describing borders on teaching kids not to question what they’re told.
@MrFabulist, oh im sorry i forgot alot or morons don't use their brains. Referring the meme, and animated movies, is that all better? Oh no? Still too stupid??? Ah ok. Recent animated films
@NeroSaber, change for the sake of change is just as dumb as tradition for the sake of tradition. I wasn’t saying I wanna see a movie where the message is “follow the rules because we say so”, I just wanna see a movie where the wisdom of older people is actually taken seriously. Mostly I just wanna see something different period, movies just feel like mad libs as of late.
@Sappy Poop Stain, kinda missed my point of how change is more natural than following others. Plus, basic writing is that a good character has development, so a theme of change is way more prevalent in fictional stories.
Plus, there's tons of old mentor characters who do impart knowledge and wisdom to the heroes, but "wisdom" and "tradition" are not the same thing at all. That mentor gained his wisdom by having his own experiences and growth. A tradition isn't like that. At best, you'll have ancient traditions that must be followed or doom will come. But uh... we don't have things like that in reality, so they're not realistic traditions we're meant to understand.
Also, I love the irony of you asking for some changes in movies about change. Kinda helps prove my point about how people want change, especially when confronted with established traditions. (The established tradition in this case being "a generic movie format that makes money")
Think I would take satan over my grandma armed with a slipper
@Sappy Poop Stain Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
That's Chernobog, not Satan.
Just saw this, real freakin good.