Rorschach was the opposite, change my mind.
ie People missed the point and so rejected Rorschach
@Factory BOY, in the face of the ultimate lie. Rorschach said ‘people have to be told’ and rejected all his former friends who were about to agree to the lie. If thats not a noble man, then I don’t know what honor even is.
@Factory BOY, being completely unwilling to compromise in any way and having a pure black and white view of the world is a big part of the reason the world is so fvcked imo, idk if that changes your mind but I tried.
Rorschach is still badass ofc, but definitely not a role model imo. Killing the child killer with a cleaver is something I can get behind though
@Factory BOY, that being said I agree that he was morally right at the end, if we have to kill millions to convince ourselves to not kill eachother we deserve extinction.
@Mantis Tobaggan, Rorschach's unwillingness to compromise on his beliefs costs him a great deal, eventually his life, and although you might argue that keeping a secret in the name of world peace is worth it, he died because he cared about the truth more than his own life.
I do not therefore call Rorschach a saint, but I can respect him because I too value truth.
@Mantis Tobaggan, I can agree Rorschach is not a role model in every way, but what big narrative point would I miss by idolizing him?
@Factory BOY, oh I agree with that aspect for sure, and dying for your beliefs is all good, I mostly meant that never compromising on a single thing os not a good mantra. How can one person assume they are morally right at all times? My point was more about his mantra, not the character himself.
@Factory BOY, his views are so narrow he can't see the bigger picture. The best thing about the story imo, is that neither ideology is 100% right or wrong. Ozzy did something unforgivable, but if the lie works it will be for the greater good. However, the whole world living in the lie and not knowing the horrid truth is not ideal. Rorschach and his unwillingness to compromise could have literally ended the world because of Russia and the U.S having big nuke bones for eachother, therefore he fails to see the big picture.
I agree with you about the truth, but the story is more complex than that. Not many things are strictly black and white. I don't think you necessarily missed the point for siding with either character because it is a complex issue.
Like I said earlier though, if we have to kill millions to convince us to not kill eachother we deserve extinction
@Mantis Tobaggan, I agree that the story is morally gray, and is asking the reader these very questions.
Upon further research, Alan Moore himself did not like Rorschach's moral compass, however I suspect some of those who reject Rorschach might be quoting Alan somewhat out of context.
I guess I felt we were meant to reject his violence, then only to appreciate its justification. I forgave Rorschach, maybe some people feel like we shouldn't.
I'm not sure if people idolize them, I think the characters themselves have become more relatable in recent years
Except for Rick and Clockwork Orange, the former is a bastärd that's honestly just a drunk edgy Sheldon Cooper and the latter is an edgy rapist
@ptitty1231, the guy from Mad Men is a horrible person isn't he? Idk I haven't watched much
@Mantis Tobaggan, most people in advertising are.
But I've only seen a handful of episodes so I cant confirm properly
@ptitty1231, 1. That doesn't make it right lol.
2. From what little I know he constantly cheats on his wife, completely neglects his kids, and stole, and assumed someone elses identity.
Not super relatable imo lol, and definitely nkt to be idolized unless your desire is to be a complete dick.
@ptitty1231, lol omg, I relate to Rick sometimes and it's basically because I'm a drunk edgy Sheldon XD right in the feels lol
Che and Fidel should be here.
Taxi Driver and Scarface are immensely more interesting when you realize you're not supposed to like them.
@SimonPetrikov, I watched that movie as a probi fire fighter with my crew. I was the youngest by a good few year's. When we finished they all looked at me and I said " Tony was a horrible person". They all clapped lol.
@fuddruckers, Yeah I grew up hearing the quote and hearing people doing impressions of him, I got the sense that he was some ultra badass. Then I see the movie and thought that he was a douchebag and even kind of pathetic. Then I rewatched it a few years later and it clicked, like, "oh, that's the point."
@SimonPetrikov, yup! I want to go back and watch several more of these as I'm older and slightly more mature. Fight Club, Watchmen, Clock Work Orange.
You forgot Sheldon Cooper