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@Miss Chanandler Bong, actually this argument is perfectly valid. You choose to see it as a weapon rather than a tool. Guns are also used to hunt, and also for target practice and sport. The purpose of this picture is that only a person can use the gun to kill. Just as only the person can misspell a word. Need I remind you a pencil can kill people too... Or is that an argument you don't understand either?
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@Miss Chanandler Bong, making guns illegal will not keep then off the street. heroine meth weed cocain crack LSD acid. it's all out there and easily accessible. besides just making people try not to have guns wont help anything. if anything we should keep everyone possible armed so we are always prepared. also please remind me how criminals follow laws.
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@Mygary, you said acid twice... And I know this is a cliched logic, but it'll work well to counter yours. Since criminals can all readily get all those drugs and firearms, lets fully legalize both of those. And hell, let's legalize bulk purchases of plain salt-peter and sulfur for individuals while we're at it. And make RDX readily available to the general public, since if they REALLY wanted it they'd get it. It isn't a matter of them getting it in the end, it's making it more difficult to attain and prepare for Newtowns or Columbines. It's a discouragement. And you would be surprised at how far some discouraging would go.
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@Mygary, also, does the OK Corral ring a bell? Giving guns to everyone is a stupid, stupid thing to do. Just look at a history book that covers the Western United States ~1810-1910. Giving everyone guns leads to a lot of people dying over small misunderstandings/arguments/accidents. Not a good idea. Just look at the deaths/injuries that occur from firearm accidents at gun conventions (or more recently an event in which a cop's wife was shot by a child on accident - the cop had a fully loaded gun within reach of a 5 year old). These are people who are supposedly "responsible" gun owners.
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@Miss Chanandler Bong, I really feel like this is a political argument. Statistics show that crime is higher in places where guns are illegal and lower where guns are legal. This is why it looks like Obama is just trying to pass this gun ban because of his biased beliefs rather than protecting our constitutional rights.
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@Mygary, please re-read my comment. No where did I say I think guns should be banned. I'm not anti gun. I don't think banning guns will solve the problem, because the root of the problem is much deeper than the guns themselves. What I was saying was that this particular argument, comparing a gun to a pencil, is stupid. @Have Nice Day, aren't guns are legal everywhere in USA? I don't know where you got those statistics, but I wouldn't mind a link, cause it sounds interesting. Was it maybe crime rates compared to the number of gun owners? Also, I like the kind of argument/debate you propose because it is a much better one than this pic is trying to make.
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@UncleSwag, and there are still crazy people in the world who will find a way to kill someone. It's actually not that hard. I'm mean are people going to start taking away knives now? Guns are CAPABLE of killing people, but it's really the person pulling the trigger. You're not gonna have a gun, by itself, run around town and kill people.
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How many times have you heard of a mass murder with someone using a knife, or their bare fists? The idea is that everyone would be safer if no civilian has access to guns. Of course you could counter that with saying that if everyone has a gun than nobody will shoot each other, knowing that they will be shot, but obviously that is not the case. Firearms are too dangerous to be in the hands in the average man. In addition, if you shoot guns for sport, you are basically conditioning yourself to become better with a machine meant for killing. This is just my opinion, and I would be glad to hear any other opinions.
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@Haytham Kenway, quite the opposite. If no one had access to guns, criminals would get guns illegally; and the common man would be unable to protect himself/herself. However, if EVERYONE had guns, when a shooter enters the scene, their would be fewer casualties because the criminal would be attacked by the armed commoners. Just like Switzerland.
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, The notorious high crime rate cities across America (Chicago, NYC, Washington D.C) usually have the hardest restrictions on guns. Also if we're talking about other countries google the Iceland massacre (might be Greenland) but nonetheless the island banned all guns and an armed gunman saw this as an opportunity. He fired and killed for hours until he ran out of ammo. If just one guy could have been there with a gun to stop him...
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@Marten Reed, how, in any way does that article help your cause exactly? It gives the example of Japan, which happens to have high restrictions and also low crime. And then they point to Switzerland, which basically has the same restrictions on guns except there is a maximum of 3 owned, which honestly wouldn't matter if you wanted to kill someone. I can point to a million cases in which extreme relative gun restrictions have absolutely no impact on crime rates what so ever, and when high gun ownership results in low crime. For god sake just look at every city in the U.S with high gun restrictions and ones with low gun restrictions, see which cities are at the top of the charts for crime. In addition to that, even if we did ban assault rifles and only allowed pistols and shotguns, there would be virtually no change in gun violence. Considering that only about 1-2% of all gun crime is caused by those scary "assault rifles" how exactly would banning them change anything?
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@Marten Reed, http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/23791/assault- rifles-kill-5-people-every-year-in-ny-while-obesity-kills-6-000-do-gun-bans-make-sense...... http://blogs.marketwatch.com/election/2013/01/16/assault-rifles-are-not-involved-in-many-u-s-murders-a-look-at-the-data/. Just google it. Every single website says the exact same thing. Pistols account for about 50% of all shootings, yet those are the guns that liberals feel should be the legal. Goes to show you that they only make policy based on fear, not facts
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, don't know why you're posting articles exclusively about assault rifles. I didn't bring them up, and I used that article to show that the US has the highest number of guns per capita. Also, we actually have one of the laxest systems regarding firearms in the modern world, nationwide. And maybe you shouldn't look at the correlation between high crime and high restriction as high restriction=high crime. Correlation as causation is a pretty poor argument. The high restriction could be a result of high crime instead. And people with guns stopping crimes? The number of people carrying having any effect on overall crime figures would be negligible at best.
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@Marten Reed, http://marquettetribune.org/2012/02/14/news/concealed-carry-prevents-more-crime-than-it-creates-study-says/ Concealed carriers stop more crime than they cause. And I'm bringing up assault rifles because that is basically the only weapon that far left liberals talk about, and shows the completely un-fact based system they use in policy creation. And maybe you shouldn't look at low gun crime as a correlation to high gun restrictions, if you're willing to deny the fact that high gun restrictions=high gun crime, you must also deny the opposite
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, except that high restriction ultimately takes away one of the main tools of crime. Look at Australia real quick and how many shooting sprees they've had since upping the restrictions. I'm not using correlation as a cause for my reasoning here, and your idea of equality in that is not really well founded. And I never said that carriers cause crime, try not to use a student paper next time either. I prefer news from people with at least a Bachelors.
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@Marten Reed, ok, then look at Mexico and tell me that high restriction stops crime. You can't possible be so close minded as to reject the exact same style of idea you have, yet completely accept your own. http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/11204311.How about this one? Or basically any other article on google if you take 3 seconds to research it
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@Marten Reed, and if you refuse to accept my Mexico example like I most likely assume you will, how about the UK, with very high gun restriction, yet with extreme violent crime, worse than that of the u.s. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, Mexico isn't a very good example for violent crime because of the Cartels and them being bordered with the US and Central America, and therefore the focal point of drug trade. As for me supposedly rejecting my own idea? One, work on rewording your sentences, just a little awkward. Two, it isn't exactly the same. You were using correlations as an explanation for something. I'm not, I'm looking at when these restrictions were upped and crime levels since. That isn't causation by correlation. Also, as for Britain, look for an article from this decade that's more applicable. As for disregarding points you've made, most that you bring up are either outdated, ill-informed (biased), or irrelevant. You're not smart for typing three words into google, pressing search, and pressing on the first blue link.
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@Marten Reed, in what world do you think that looking at restrictions were upped and differences in crime levels is not considered using correlation in your explanation. The entire first article you posted was all about attempting to correlate the two ideas between restrictions and crimes, yet you continue to deny it, which really just shows me and everyone else the true extent of your brain power. And how exactly do you think updates in 2009 is not this decade? I know numbers get a little confused by someone with your iq level, but really now. And honestly you can't keep attempting to disregard every single piece if evidence I give just because you don't feel like acknowledging it. http://www.secretsofthefed.com/man-in-china-created-fleet-of-floating-doomsday-pods-2/. Any and every single piece of information, considered by you "reliable" or not say the exact same thing. Do your own research if you please, but you'll find the same thing
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@Marten Reed, well first off I own a mini-14 which fires the .223, I own an FNP. 45 tactical, a glock 17, an fn scar chambered in the .308, a Remington 700, a 357 magnum, and an ar-15 which fires the 5.56x51 standard nato round, but due to the smaller size of the .223 round I fire that instead of the 5.56
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, umm, you just went ahead and displayed your intelligence if you think 2009 is in this decade. You see, a decade is 10 years. So 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s. Different, got it. And I can tell you my ASVAB AFQT score is 93. And you seriously don't understand causation by correlation, do you? Not correlation, causation by correlation. I get correlation and have been using that as some evidence behind what I am saying, but not saying something has happened because of that thing happened. It is merely backup evidence. I get that there is much more than taking away guns in the rise or fall of crime, there are several factors/variables. And the reason why I have not addressed your sources is that I don't feel like reading that much this late, especially since those are just the first links in google searches you've been conducting. Also, based on prior experience with you, I just assume everything you say is less than reliable info.
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@Marten Reed, then if you don't accept my sources, then please go search the ideas on your own. Every website I looked at, no matter what the bias had the exact same facts. So I honestly could care less if you don't acknowledge my sources, but if you reject mine then I only ask that you research them on your own. And yes, that was my mistake. Technically the scar would fire the 7.62x51, while the ar-15 fires the 5.56x45, though my scar is chambered in the .308 since the 7.62 and the .308 are not EXACTLY the same round, although close
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, actually I haven't been looking at the sources because I'm doing an English assignment on the Bible. Fun stuff. But yeah, don't get me wrong, I love guns and shooting. I know plenty, like the differences between 7.62 and .308 Winchester. It's just that I like debating this kind of stuff. Actually going into the Navy later this year (hence the ASVAB reference), we get M9s and Mossbergs (oooh... Not really).
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@-Miss Chanandler Bong. This comparison is perfectly valid. It is stating that guns and pencils are both objects that have no control over what they do. The person behind the pencil or gun has the Say so. So to say guns kill people would be the same as saying pencils misspell words. Basically saying guns kill people is as dumb as people saying McDonald's made you fat.
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Love how stupid people can be with this 'argument'. Pencils were created for a certain purpose, they are utensils used to carry out said purpose. Same thing with guns. Guns were designed to kill people. Pencils were meant write words. The only reason guns exist is because swords and arrows weren't efficient enough killing machines. It has nothing to do with protection. It's about murder. Who was protected during the Civil War? Or the Revolutionary War? Nobody. By your logic everyone just stood there and stared at each other and the Wars didn't even happen. Guns don't prevent anyone from doing anything.
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@Nicholas the Stout, what im saying is that guns kill people. Without guns, its almost impossible to kill other people. Guns are the cause of this violence. Britain outlawed handguns and murders dropped drastically. Theres proof all over the world that the presence of firearms results in higher death rates.
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@UncleSwag, Also, earlier when you said "Without guns, it's almost impossible to kill people," you were wrong. Strangulation. Stabbing. Beating to death. Beheading. Death by bow an arrow. Poisoning. Bleeding out. Suffocation. Electrocution. Lethal injection. The list goes on. Please learn your facts before trying to make your point.
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@HarIey Quinn, First, stop being ignorant. Second, if you really are as stupid as you sound, i wont be able to convince you otherwise. So go ahead thinking youve one this argument. Everyone else here will know youre an idiot. Dont try to respond with a catchy comeback, itll only make you look more stupid.
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@UncleSwag, Guns can't murder a person. That would be an inanimate object performing a task that only living things can do. Sure, guns make it easier, but will gun laws stop it? No! If someone is gonna murder another person do you honestly think they'll stop and think "Oh wait! There is that gun law, guess I can't do it now!". No, if someone isn't above murder how do you expect them to obey the rest of our laws?
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@UncleSwag, so you're saying that no one detonated the bombs? A random couple of bombs were just sitting on a street corner and decided to waltz on over to the marathon and blow sh*t up? No, some one used the bombs. Bombs themselves don't decide to kill someone, but the people who planted the bombs. So, Uncle Swag, why don't YOU grow up and get some brains. B*stard.
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@UncleSwag, That is true, and I'm not gonna deny that. All I'm saying is that it all depends on the mental state of the person committing the murder. If a person is willing to murder someone laws won't stop them. It may slow the process, but they would still get what they want in due time. That's my take on it.
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@UncleSwag, mhmmm, so what about places like Switzerland, where almost every household has a military grade assault rifle. Go check their miter rates. Or how about how the most gun violence in the United States takes place under the strictest gun control in the us? Go look at Detroit gun control, and Detroit gun violence.
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@UncleSwag, you sir must be trolling, you have only used Britain as an example for this so called murder drop, I'm in Canada and my city is the stabbing capital of our great country, should they ban pointy objects? Go and bang your head against a wall until you start making sense. People will keep killing people until we cease to exist.
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People misspell words with pencils. Take away the pencils and people won't be able to misspell words. Yes people dumb enough not to know how to work will still exist, and might make small mistakes through other means like speech. But it will be impossible for them to make mistakes of a magnitude close to those made with a pencil and paper. Ergo, the smart people won't need pencils to correct such mistakes. You can write "effect" and mean "affect", but such a mistake can't be made in speech.
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@LexIsOnIt, what about highlighters, pens, markers, crayons, and every other utensil that is used less than pencils but can still write? "Aka knives, clubs, swords, bows, etc.... People will still make writing mistakes "or kill people," but do it using different tools. And that argument was awful, considering a written language is the basis of modern society so we would fall without the use of writing utensils. And if you're using the idea that pencil=gun, them by your definition our society would fall without guns
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, I'm gonna call someone a cuntasaurus the first chance I get. K the only parallel between pencils and guns I was making was the "making spelling mistakes vs shooting ppl". Just pretend any other parallel you find isn't there. I don't actually think pencils=guns I was just saying that because pencils were mentioned in the picture. U mentioned the fact that ppl can use knives and such, I addressed that before where it says "ppl might make mistakes through other means... but it will be impossible...". I.e. a man wouldn't be able to kill 12 ppl and injure about 30 others with a bat. But those events are so rare. The main area where I'd hope to see a change is in cities where there's gang violence & daily shootings. Ideally, stricter gun regulations (not just with laws but removing guns altogether) would limit access to guns so ppl wouldn't even be able to get them illegally. coz they just wouldn't be there.
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@Cuntasaurus Rex, .... obviously there'd always be a few people out there who could get guns whatever the case, through clever smuggling etc. But it would still be much better than it is now. Now days, someone in a city could just buy a gun illegally from someone they know. I don't know how exactly the government would go about removing guns from society, but I don't see how that would be a better situation than everyone having guns, so it's worth working towards. The idea is that people shouldn't need to own a gun
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