"Have you ever noticed how all the people who are for abortion are alive?"
George Carlin: comedic legend.
@A Grammar Jew, RIP in peace
@A Grammar Jew, That old fvck will always be my favorite comedian.
@A Grammar Jew, I love George Carlin. As an atheist, it's nice to hear people say whats not socially acceptable to say on my part
@CriTiKa1, I see what you did there
@Draven, rest in peace in peace?
@ChildofTheTater, it's a joke from the terrible Twitch chat that happens every time pro League of Legends is streamed.
@Draven, I kind of accidentally made a cult and the leader was named DRAVEN so I have been looking for you for the last couple days, so ya.
@Jose Cowbell, what do you need of me?
@ScaryMikeScarinMikes, thank you for explaining
@Draven, haha no problem Kappa
@DinkIeberg, as a paramedic, who gives a fvck
Im against abortion...
@strawberry poptart, abortion is just legalized feticide carried out by government-licensed hitmen. Think about it: If a man kills your fetus, by law it is considered murder. If that man is government-licensed, however, you can pay him to take your fetus's life with no legal penalty.
@The Chosen Undead, it also saves the lives of women with eclampsia, twisted Fallopian tubes, women with severe endometriosis, as well as many other pregnancy related issues. Get informed.
@Cricketesque, those cases account for less than 20% of abortions. More than 4 of 5 aborted fetuses are aborted out of convenience. Get informed.
@Cricketesque, if I remember correctly, the majority of abortions are coming from teenage girls, and most of them are because they don't want them, not because of some health related issue or traumatizing event. If the statistics were reversed, I may side with pro-choice, but as of now, most abortions are just killing babies before they are born because they don't want to raise a kid; so I am pro-life.
@bronze512, Abortion is a better alternative than a baby being raised by parents that didn't even want it, and while adoption is a much more sensible option we can't count on people being that thoughtful.
@The Chosen Undead, about 27 percent of women who get those abortions are at or below poverty level with 2 or more children. I don't know if you've lived at poverty level. But I have. I've been far below it, as a child, and that's no place for one. Also fifty one percent of abortions are had by women who used contraceptives the month they conceived. They obviously had not intended a child be had. Back alley abortions cause 68,000 Maternal deaths. Not including fetuses. Legal abortion reduces this risk. Not to mention the defects caused by back alley abortions when they fail are horrifying to put anyone through. I am informed.
@bronze512, see my comment to The Chosen Dead.
@Long John Silver, let's not forget that teenage mothers are slagged off and mocked. Wouldn't you rather get an abortion than be bullied and potentially assaulted? If people don't want teenage mothers to get abortions, they shouldn't slag them off for being pregnant.
@The Chosen Undead, also, do you leave any room for molested women and young girls? Raped women and girls? Yes, adoption is a beautiful option. But in America that means months or years in a system that cares little about the kids it's supposed to protect. Not to mention the fact that many American families are following the Angelina method and adopting from third world countries. But no one cares what happens to unwanted babies after they're born. So long as they're born.
@PeenWentz, all of these points mean that looking at abortion as just black and white is a bad idea and you must look at every reason a person may have an abortion before passing judgment.
@The Chosen Undead, how can it be considered murder when the fetus isn't even born yet, much less a fully developed human being as defined by biologists? Further, beyond the issues of women's health, I think the whole dominant and arbitrary argument that human life begins in the woman's womb and with pregnancy is reflective of the partriarchal character of our society. Since the beginning of human life is a socially defined concept, there is no objective, biological basis for saying that human life begins with conception. An equally strong argument, for example, could be made that human life actually begins earlier with men's sperm and that men's masturbation and use of a condom during sex constitutes the abortion of developing human life. The argument could then be taken further that masturbation and using a condom thus constitutes murder.
@PeenWentz, Yes, the solution to being bullied is to kill a child. We should make NO efforts to actually punish or discourage the idea of bullying, rather we should avoid the situation that would provoke the bullies. If only we were to use your great logic, we would be a vast utopia. [/sarcasm] Also, Have you stopped to consider that a teenage mother who aborts her child would be even further prone to being bullying and assault, possibly murder because of radical antiabortionists? Just saying, because you're giving false advice.
@Race card man, Sperm and egg cells are not a seperate human entity. They posses half of the chromoses that bare necessary for human life to occur. The Zygote, the fusion of the two, therefor creating a completely different arrangement of genes, of a number that leads to a functional human being, however is the very beginning of a human life.
@Gestalt BumWizard, you're warping what I'm saying. Let's say the teenage mother is in the middle of GCSEs or A levels, they were pressured into sex and now they're pregnant. On top of exam stress they have this huge problem. Do they carry the child to term with the intention of putting it up for adoption and take on the abuse- physical, mental, emotional. There's no way they could cope with school on top of that. It could end in suicide, but as long as the baby lives. If you have an abortion early enough, nobody will even know you were pregnant- no bullying, no abuse.
@Gestalt BumWizard, I'm also struggling to find the part in which I'm giving somebody advice. I can only find a point that I made.
@PeenWentz, Let's treat this like a game of Jeopardy: What is a woman's right to say 'No'? What are Condoms? What is hormonal birth control? What is the morning after pill? What is not killing a child?... The argument of bullying here is entirely irrelevant, of a degree that is laughable. If you think that having an abortion would reduce/prevent bullying you are deluded. If you think being illusive and subversive about the euthanization of a child over something as base as F**KING HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA, is also a morally sound Idea, recheck your priorities. The opinions of fickle, horomal strangers below the age of adulthood are nothing compared to the life and existence of a child.
@Gestalt BumWizard, I understand the difference between an egg, sperm, and a zygote, and their places in the development in the human life cycle, but like I said before the whole argument that human life begins with the emergence of the zygote rather than with sperm really has no objective, biological basis whatsoever. It's merely a socially determined starting point. I can argue that human life begins with sperm, another person can argue that it begins with the egg, and you can argue that it begins with the zygote...and not one of us can be proven wrong or right by objective means.
@Race card man, Well, besides simply counting the number of chromosomes. Or noting that that the union of the sperm and the egg is the absolute starting point of the developmental process of a child, by simple means of scientific observation. And it is the ONLY currently observable process in which we could donate the beginning of a person's life as development of a brain or thought patterns is not entirely quantifiable given our current technology. But hey, at least we still don't consider birth to be the scientific beginning of human life.
@Gestalt BumWizard, I don't know how Jeopardy works- I've never seen it on TV in the UK. When I say bullying, I'm not talking about petty name calling, I'm talking about abuse- The kind of abuse that can lead to mental illness. There was a girl at my cousin's school who was raped and her mum forced her to have the baby. Her life was a misery. She was regularly verbally attacked, physically once or twice, on her way to and from school and eventually she was diagnosed with depression. She was scared to go out. Her grades were appalling and I think she's now having to redo everything, but I'm not sure. But all of that's ok as long as the baby lives even if it's mother is mentally ill and it has to go into care, right? And then maybe that baby ends up with depression? I'm talking extremes, of course, but it's all possible.
@Gestalt BumWizard, I have to agree with the points made by peenwentz. Aside from health risks that may be involved, pregnancy carries immense emotional, psychological, social, and economic costs for women, particularly during the teenage years at such an early and pivotal point in a young woman's life, that go far beyond mere "high school" drama. The intense social shaming from their family, peers, teachers, and staff at the school coupled with the lack of school institutional support for pregnant teens all greatly affect school performance and can lead to dropping out, thereby impacting pregnant teenage women's future life chances. Also, contraception and preventative measures are notoriously difficult to obtain for teenagers given that many stores wrongfully deny them these products out of a misinformed notion that it is illegal for underage individuals to purchase them. Personally, it troubles me that the life and well being of teenage woman is so willfully disregarded for the sake
@Gestalt BumWizard, of an unborn fetus, zygote, or what have you.
@Gestalt BumWizard, and to your arguments, despite your assurance of scientific observation, you still have failed to show how the emergence of the zygote objectively constitutes the beginning of human life. I'm telling you man, it's all a social construction. You might as well try pointing out the exact point where your neck ends and your head begins.
@Race card man, a parallel tracing the jawline into the glottis, extending at a taper up the back towards the base of the first vertebrae of the spinal column.
@Cricketesque, none of that is reason to legalize murdering children. Not a bit.
@Peeta Griffin, No, it's much preferable to have women suffer. Or die. It's preferable to have a child rot in the system. Or be molested. Or beaten because that's just the kind of family they were born into. You know the main difference between most pro life and pro choice? Money and suffering. Some of us have seen how bad it is when your parents didn't want you. But it's okay.
@Cricketesque, still no excuse to murder a child and give him no chance
@Peeta Griffin, but it's perfectly fine for the mother to lose hers. Or give hers up. Willing or not, right? But my view is the twisted one.
@Cricketesque, I've yet to find any cases of the mother needing an abortion to save her life.
@Peeta Griffin, then you've not read a thing in this thread. Eclampsia, preeclampsia, severe Fallopian tube damage, certain cases of endometriosis. That is the Third time I have listed them.
@Peeta Griffin, And no, that's not near to all of them.
@Cricketesque, so abortions should only be allowed in those cases, not because the mother just doesn't want it.
@Race card man, that "as defined by biologists" that you put in your comment is very crucial. Who are we to determine the exact moment that a fetus "becomes human"? Even if it doesn't feel anything, it will eventually if it's given the opportunity to have a life. By having an abortion you're robbing that fetus of years and years-it's entire life. I think that it's more important to give someone else a chance to live than to avoid potential health effects. Would you kill a young child if it meant you would avoid health issues? And for your last statement I don't agree with masturbation or sex with a condom either. None of those things are moral at all, and that's what I use mainly to decide on these kinds of issues, if not the only thing I decide with.
@jklyt1, No. A woman's body is still her body. And wether they are allowed or not, women will have them. Usually to their own detriment. If the back alley method doesn't work then they have a child who is broken beyond repair. My point is that no one cares about those. People are happy to say its illegal and keep their eyes closed when women begin throwing themselves down the stairs.
@Matthew Bellamy, But quality of life doesn't matter? Morality is not black and white and can't be generalized to cover all aspects of a situation. Life is not so simple. I do not enjoy the fact that abortion exists, but I am pro choice. People keep bringing up adoption. I'm a 25 year old woman who has severe endometriosis and I have gone through miscarriage. And I hate the fact that other women would choose to be rid of their own. But I would not presume to know the reason behind every abortion, and I definitely would not presume to tell them what to do with their bodies. And like it or not it is THEIR body. A zygote, a fetus is a guest in that body. And it is a woman's choice if they remain. So I'm SICK AND TIRED of people in this thread referring to pro choice people as those people or you people. You don't know anyone, so taking it upon yourself to assume the worst about us is your mistake. Doesn't have to be ours as well.
@Matthew Bellamy, and those 'health issues'? Eclampsia isn't a health issue. It's a death sentence. And nine times out of ten, it generally causes the fetus to be severely brain damaged if not completely brain dead. I'm not insulting you, but you really need to look up the problems, and issues before making a judgment call on that subject.
@Gestalt BumWizard, you didn't read my comment at all. 51% of abortions are had by women who used birth control. Like it or not, it's not a guarantee. You can't generalize every case. That's not how life works. And as for your woman's right to say no, yes because everyone respects that right. Never had any rapists in prison... Oh wait.
@Cricketesque, you know what you're right and I guess murder of adults can be dangerous too so for the sake of the murderers health lets make it legal. Oh and taking things that aren't yours can be dangerous too so might as well make that legal. Point is that thing inside of pregnsnt women is a human and the only justifiable time for an abortion is when it is truly indsngering it's own, it's mother's life, or both lives. That is it. Don't try to justify selfish murder of rhe most innocent form of human life by saying it's what's best for the child or it's for the mother's health. Oh and why is Wendy Davis praised when she got rid of a bill that would have made abortions ambulatory procedures, meaning abortion clinics would have to live up to hospital standards. That would have benefited the health of the mothers but it was shot down and all they talk about are her stupid sneakers.
@jklyt1, I don't think I praised Wendy Davis at all. Nope. I haven't praised anyone. My whole point is, legal or not, they will still happen. The question is just when and how. It can be in a sterile environment, legally, with a doctor. Or the back of a van or office, or just repeated abdominal trauma. My point is women will do what they want with their bodies. I don't praise nor like abortion, and if you think I do you didn't read. My point is you can make it safe for the woman, and painless for the zygote, or you can let both potentially suffer unbearable pain because you'd rather turn a blind eye.
@jklyt1, And most of the medical reasons for abortion are straight life and death situations. Not a whole lot of middle ground.
@Cricketesque, I'm pretty sure life starts at the zygote, as sperm doesn't often turn into a baby sitting some dudes balls, and an egg will eventually fall out(without life). A zygote on the other hand once created will become an adult who contributes to society if all goes well. And my answer to the bullying, whoever bullies someone for being raped should be raped then shot, it isn't the baby's fault, why should they've the victim.
@The Chosen Undead, same with killing a dog. One is illegal, one is not.
@bronze512, you do not remember correctly its 20s and its convenience
Why, why, why, why... Why is it that FunnyPics constantly puts politics in my funny?
I just find it disturbing that we actually have to discuss when human life begins.. Moral decay is gonna lead to the end of the US. Give it some time we will be like Rome. Killing other humans for entertainment.
Listen to your child's heart at 9 weeks or go for your 20 week ultra sound and find out you are going to have a girl and see her little hands moving and getting the hiccups at 25 weeks then tell me you are for people killing unborn babies like it's nothing.
10 March 2014 #10March2014
Nobody up or downvote this. The balance must be preserved
@Alfredocorleone, I don't think that went as planned
Because you're prejudiced? Just maybe.
@Voltorb, so where'd you get your degree from, University Of Buzzkill or Party Poop College?
@Voltorb, One does not simply insult George Carlin.
@Codalicious, He's a contrarian and antagonistic douchebag who makes money by blatantly insulting a people's culture without a single ounce of wit behind it. He is not the f**king messiah of comedy.
@Gestalt BumWizard, he actually explains his reasonings a majority of the time, especially if u watch his older stuff and he makes good points about society
I have a baby in one hand and a Petri dish with an embryo/fetus in the other. I'm going to drop one. Which is it gonna be fellow commenters?
@Saphire Xari, How about you drop neither? That's like saying "Should I murder a 3-Year-old, or a 6-year-old?" You shouldn't murder anybody.
@Gestalt BumWizard, Shot in the dark, if you'd answered my you would have saved the baby. Because as much as you'd like to deny it, you're aware there's a difference.
I love abortion. A simple solution to a simple problem.
@Cave Dweller, that's what Hitler said about gassing the Jews...
@Cave Dweller, there's always adoption... People tend to forget about that. People who think pregnancy is an "annoyance" or "inconvenience" piss me off, if you don't want to risk having a child use fking protection or keep your gd legs shut. There are thousands of couples out there who want children but cant have any of their I'm sure they'd love to raise your "problem".
@Niam Leeson, actually fifty one percent of women who have abortions used contraceptives when they conceived. Also, most families who adopt in the US adopt out of country thanks to the Hollywood trend. Most US kids in the system stay in the system where many are abused, used, and molested. Adoption is a beautiful thought but you cannot look at every case in black and white. Many women who receive abortions are rape victims/ victims of molestation. Not to mention the women with eclampsia and other life threatening diseases contributed to pregnancy.
@Cricketesque, also women pressured into sex. Although that comes under rape, that's not what people hear when someone says "rape"- they hear "violent attacks"
@PeenWentz, Sad but true.
@Niam Leeson, not sure if you meant to promote double standards when it comes to sex and pregnancy, but you forgot to mention that the guys involved should've worn condoms and kept their gd dicks in their pants before getting someone pregnant.
@Cricketesque, you people need to realize that you're snuffing out life, not even giving it a chance, i don't include losses from birth complications abortion, thats losing a child, but when people who don't want to be "inconvenienced" decide they don't want it, they destroy it. My mom was "raped" as you define it, when she was 17 and was pressurized into aborting me, my mom put herself through nursing school while raising me and met my stepdad, who also put himself through nursing school, now they both have masters degrees all while raising two kids, are putting me through nursing school, and my sister who is also trying to get into nursing school. I was given a chance and now I'm on my way to being a contributing member of society, because my parents worked their a$$es off my whole life. So no i don't have a tolerance for a$$holes who take the easy way out getting rid of their "problems". i could have just as easily been killed. Im not saying a life in a home is ideal but
@Cricketesque, but its fking better than not having a chance at all
@Niam Leeson, And it's great that your mom was that strong. Most aren't. I'm happy yours was. But if you can't see something objectively you have no right trying to make a decision. But moving on. Just look up suicides connected to rapes that resulted in children. Don't spit your story at me like an epithet. You know nothing of me to have any right to refer to me as "you people" or anything else. I'll not sink to the same level. Our conversation was over when you insinuated an insult. Have a good day.
@Cave Dweller, lots of good stuff. Pretty constructive too. Ok, I've got it. Education plus contraception plus abortion equals problem solved. Applaud please, thank you thank you.... *violently bows*
@Cricketesque, and you still fail to see that even a 1% chance that a rape baby will grow up just fine its better than a 0% chance. my value of life is clearly higher than yours. And plus im not trying to tell anyone what to do, and youre using only the argument of raped women, that's something to do I can understand a woman wanting to get rid of it, what im talking about is people who consensually had sex and ended up conceiving, that is their responsibility to own up to their actions and at least try to give it a chance at life instead of "ridding themselves of an inconvenience". People know the consequences of unprotected sex. Now i want to know where you pulled those statistics... I dont believe that contraceptives dont work that often.. My point is if you are having unprotected sex with someone you are not in a committed relationship with you deserve what you get whether it's STD's or a baby. And ill leave it at that you have your beliefs i have mine...
@Niam Leeson, I'm not just referring to rape babies. I'm referring to the women raped. To women who do not want to give up the rest of their lives for something they did not want. I can't have kids. I hate that abortion is a thing. But legal or not it has been and always will be a way. If live every child to get a chance. People like to assume pro choice people are heartless evils. I had a friend be forced to get one by her parents. I've lost my own because my body is broken. I hate the idea. But I accept that we can either safely allow a woman to make a decision about her body, or we can watch as thousands hurt and kill themselves because we were to blinded by our own horror to give them what they need. I see your point and I understand where you come from, but I also understand where some of these women come from, and I don't hate them for it. I just hope they keep some memory of it and make better choices in the future. No reason to hurt a woman when it can be prevented.
@Niam Leeson, a government site based on statistics from 2013 cdc.org HHS.org census.gov and there was another .gov site I can't remember the exact address. If be happy to check my history when I get home for you.
Because if they can't have one you can't have one!
I hate when people use that argument. It's like the little kid who knocks the monopoly pieces off of the table because "if he can't win, no one can"
Coincidence? I think not!
I don't think anyone is "pro-abortion". I don't like the idea of abortion but I'm not gonna tell a woman what to do with HER body.
@retiredxcrunner, THANK YOU.
@retiredxcrunner, I'm "pro-abortion".
@retiredxcrunner, this. Truer words have never been spoken. Women do not go skipping and singing on their way to an abortion clinic, despite what many of those in the pro-life camp of this hotly debated issue would have you think. Women who make the decision to have an abortion are all too often demonized and dehumanized as heartless and soulless, portrayed as making the decision in a manner as casual as if she were brushing off a mere annoyance, when in reality the process of deciding weighs heavily upon their consciences and is made with a heavy heart. It is a decision made by a woman stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place. On a side note, I am glad there are people on here who can speak to this side of the perspective, the "pro-choice" perspective, though we seem to be far and few in between.
@PharrellsHat, I'M PRO-DEATH. KILL EM ALL. So, you wanna keep the kid? Well, how responsible of y-PLOT TWIST, ABORTION.
I survived an abortion
Chicken nuggets.... Crunchy!
I ask same question about those who think they are good looking....why why why do you believe in a G-d? O because you think you are perfection o ok....but not ok...
@Cave Dweller, lots of good stuff. Pretty constructive too. Ok, I've got it. Education plus contraception plus abortion equals problem solved. Applaud please, thank you thank you.... *violently bows*