Cisgender girl: "I don't think my body is feminine enough, may I take hormones? "
Parent: "You should be proud of your body. Don't let society decide for you how you should look, you are a beautiful young woman."
This should apply to transgender kids as well.
@SimonPetrikov, it's not a "I've decided to be a girl tomorrow" deal. Years of therapy, living as the selected gender for years then a surgeon may take the case
@SimonPetrikov, I knew I was a woman since I was 4.. you know it from a young age.. but that's my experience.
@MiszMarie, That's fine. You shouldn't change your body to look a certain way when you're under 18, is what I'm saying. I wouldn't let my cisgender kid do it, why would I let my transgender kid do it?
@SimonPetrikov, I agree that surgery at a young age is wrong
@SimonPetrikov, as you probably already know, you're just being purposefully obtuse, if you don't take hormones at a young enough age most people will never pass for their preferred gender. "Non passing" trans people and trans people who simply can't pursue transitioning because they wouldn't pass, have some of the highest suicide rates of any demographic.
@Welcommatt, the fact that you included the "I wouldn't let my cis kid do it" is also laughable. There's no equivalent operation that would effect a person's life so much if you didn't have it, and you know that.
@Welcommatt, what even is cisgender?
@MrWonka, someone who identifies with their born gender, but believes they don't align well enough with society's standards for that gender. I think.
@VelKoz, so they make their own standards of their born gender?
@MiszMarie, Well, I actually know people who said they are boys, but later changed. So even If it's just these exceptions, I'd rather have them wait for it just a little bit
@Welcommatt, yes I do know this .. I am transgender after all. I agree about the hormones at a young age.. but having surgery at a young age I wouldn't agree. But what do I know. Sorry :(
@SimonPetrikov, about trans kids, I think you're wrong, cuz they actually get diagnosed with gender disorder thing. So it's not that they just don't like their own body's.
@MrWonka, look im going to get downvoted a lot for this but im going to just speak the truth. Its all a bunch of bull crap. I understand people struggle with issues in life. Ive struggles a lot in my life. However when it comes to biologically concrete matters such as gender; youre either male or female thats it. No apache helicopters, no cisgender, no nothing else. Most of this is just a trend. I find it hard to believe that people have been on this earth this long and NOW all of the sudden everyone is becoming genderless. These people would be put in crazy homes if this crap would have come up 30 years ago. No dont say they were always here they were just to afraid to say anything or come out because thats a bald face lie. This country has decreased its knowledge and morality so much that we are the laughing stock of the world.
@tmo0792, I'm inclined to agree with you and our point of view is often met with a lot of hate, and to the people who dislike what we're saying I think a perfectly viable thing for you to say is "You don't understand". I'm very willing to admit my ignorance when it comes to this sort of thing not because I don't know anything about it (I've done my research I know my stuff) but because I genuinely cannot experience what someone who identifies as a different gender is going through. Until it's possible to enter someone else's mind, I'm very willing to say the words "I don't understand" with regard to this context
@SimonPetrikov, I agree with you kids always jump to decisions without knowing the repercussions.
@tmo0792, I do agree that it is just male and female (none of this nongender, fluid gender, etc), however gender and sex are, psychologically, 2 different things. The hormones in your brain determine your gender whereas your physiology determines your sex. So it makes sense for someone born male sexed to mentally be female gender and have the desire to make the 2 match..... also, they were actually always there... there are many instances in history of men and women taking the societal roles of the other (which is the closest equivalent to actually transitioning as you can get in pre-surgery eras)... but all of those examples are from more open societies (Native Americans and Greeks, namely) whereas most of society, up until recently, has been wholly dominated by socially repressive religions and the like. Now that atheism is one of the leading "religions" we are opening up more to societal differences.
@MrWonka, cisgender just means you are your born gender and that's it. You don't feel the need to change because you feel that you are the gender you were born with.
@sharronarama, so cisgender is just regular gender?
@Welcommatt, how about we instead just get trans people the mental help they need for their mental disease
@Welcommatt, just wanna chime in and let you know that you're not alone in this argument. This topic always brings out the worst in this community and very few people speak up. My goodness look at the stupidity.
@Welcommatt, Trans folks who do transition still have a suicide rate of mid 40s%, the number barley moves post surgery.
@Reach4God, because the suicides are more linked to how they are accepted into society (which isn't great) than how they feel in their bodies......
@Gay Ninja, A bit old but I'll entertain the conversation. If it is because of how society treats them, why do other oppressed groups not have such high suicide rates? If we were to go to the most extreme case of Jews in Nazi Germany while under Jewish discrimination laws, their rate was still ~1,480/100,000. That's not even a little close to 40%.
@Reach4God, well, with your example, I would say there were less suicides because the Jewish people were fighting to stay alive so suicide would have been counterintuitive and only a last ditch option..... and transgender people already have a high rate of mental illnesses, including depression and anxiety simply due to natural dysphoria. Those illnesses do not tend to react well to extreme negative treatment
@Gay Ninja, are you of the camp that says gender dysphoria is indeed a mental illness then? That's what it sounds like based on your statement, but I don't want to misinterpret you. If that is your belief though, don't you think that could be the reason for their high suicide rate? Not a societal pressure?
@Reach4God, gender dysphoria itself is not a mental illness however, as I said, it can lead to a multitude of mental illnesses many of which are known to cause suicidal tendencies
@Gay Ninja, Out of curiousity, what kind of condition would you consider gender dysphoria then? If it isn't mental, is it physical? How do you classify it?
@Reach4God, it's not a "condition" at all..... it is the feeling that your sex and gender don't match.... it's not different than looking at a painting on the wall and feeling like it's not hung right
@Gay Ninja, ... but you can still objectively tell if the picture is hung correctly by measuring the angle. Just like you can stil objectively tell if someone is a man or a woman by looking at them. If someone says that a properly hung picture looks off, you'd suggest they need glasses. If a man says they're a woman, why is it preposterous to say that there is something wrong?
@Reach4God, just because your brain fires in a way indicative of a female gender does not mean something is wrong if you have a male sex.... yes, you can objectively tell someone's anatomy (their sex) but psychology (gender) is NEVER an objective topic... it is entirely different from subject to subject
@Gay Ninja, Now you have me confused. You just said that a trans person's brain is firing in the opposite way that it should be, but this isn't to be considered wrong? I'm sure you can understand the negative rammifications of that kind of logic.
@Reach4God, is it wrong for someone's brain to positively fire in association to playing sports when they're not active? Is it wrong for someone want to draw when they can't figure out how to move their hand to create the shapes they want to draw? Just because your mind and your body aren't in complete unity, doesn't mean one is wrong... this is why psychologists disconnect gender and sex.... it just so happens those who experience dysphoria want their gender and sex to at least outwardly match (even if they can't change their genetic construct)
@Gay Ninja, I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that a person is getting positive feedback, endorphins, dopamine, etc., from knowing what a sport is and purposefully not doing it? Because in that case, yes, there is definately something wrong with them.
@Reach4God, no, I'm saying a person gets positive feedback for playing the sport but doesn't have the physical prowess to play the sport well
@Gay Ninja, In that scenario you're talking about a degree of competancy though, not doing something completely opposite. Being bad at something whike still trying is me playing tennis and always missing the ball. Doing it wrong would be tackleing the opponent when the ball goes to their side of the court. To bring it back around, there is a difference between being a more effeminate man and deciding that you're simply a woman.
@Reach4God, you are correct, there is a huge difference between being effeminate and identifying as female... for example, I am extremely effeminate but man do I love having male genitalia.... that signifies that my brain produces slightly more estrogen than the common male, but not enough to affect my psychology to such a degree that my gender becomes different than my sex.... my brother on the other hand (who was born my sister) produced a lot more testosterone than the average female and it was enough to tell his psychology that his gender and sex did not match.... now, it should be noted, testosterone and estrogen production is only really "wrong" if it is producing an unhealthy amount (whether that be WAY too much or none at all) otherwise, it is something that fluctuates wildly from person to person with the male sex just happening to produce more testosterone on average and the female sex being the opposite.
@Reach4God, also, your tennis example does support mine as it is an example of your hand eye coordination (something produced by many parts of your body working in unity) being in far contrast to your desire to play tennis. This does not mean there is anything wrong with you, it just means your mind and body don't necessarily agree.
@Gay Ninja, I wouldn't have used the sports analogy, I don't think it's a very good one. I was merely responding to what you put up. On to the chemicals, firstly there is more to being 'trans' or 'gay' than just having a test/est imbalance. The trans people I've spoken to say that they wish they weren't the way they are but can't do anything about it. They say that it has caused them incredible emotional pain and bullying. If this is all caused by having too much of test/est, then I'd say it constitues an unhealthy amount.
@Reach4God, oh fvck no, the unhealthy part in that instance, is society's response to them. There is never a healthy reason for bullying and don't you DARE say there's something wrong with the victim because they're being bullied. That's just bullsh!t
@Gay Ninja, I completely agree that there is no justification for bullying. I don't think you understand what I said though. A trans person is in a position where they have (self caused) emotional pain, constantly. On top of that, they know that at some point they will be bullied. Yet they are still trans. Because they cannot help it. You say it is caused by a test/est imbalance, but not an unhealthy one. I say that if it is causing someone to live in a way that they know is going to subject them to emotional pain and bullying, then it is an unhealthy amount. That is not necessarily 'their fault', as there is nothing they can do about it. To my original point, when a trans gets the surgery and is in the best position they can be, there is still that ~40% suicide rate. Again I say that this unhealthy combonation of chemicals is what causes this.
@Reach4God, the emotional pain you appear to be mentioning is a direct result of the bullying and expected societal response. It is not self inflicted nor is the bullying directly caused by being trans (although it can seem like that to be bullied) but more by how the bully reacts to something out of their comfort zone (which is very very unhealthy behavior in and of itself)... we cannot measure the healthiness of something by how other people respond to it... at the point that that response causes it's own health issues (in this case being emotional pain and depression) it is correlation but not causation. On the point of the suicide rate, the societal response hardly changes after transition which, in turn still instigates bouts of depression... you are still, at this point, blaming a chemical reaction in the victim's brain as being the reason they're bullied and calling them unhealthy because of it, and that is still bullsh!t
@Gay Ninja, I still don't think you're understanding my point. I'm not talking about bullying. Normal people can deal with bullying, even in severe cases. On top of that, society in the west has come around to accept trans folk (at least much more than it used to, certainly not entirely) and yrt the suicide rate is the same. At the end of the day suicide is something that a person chooses to do to themselves, and trans people choose to do it more than any other group. I'm trying to help reduce that number by pointing that fact out. If we can accept as a society that maybe, just maybe, the fact that you feel like you're a man when you're actually a woman and vice-versa is not supposed to happen, then we can fix it. But we have to actually acknowledge that a man shouldn't think he is a woman and a woman shouldn't think she is a man. We've tried to accept trans people for who they are and we've tried giving them surgeries to make them what they want and it isn't working.
Honestly, if you wanna potentially fvck up your entire life forever, do what you gotta do. Just don't come at me later saying I should have stopped you if it goes downhill.
@TamblanTheBrick, your words are wise, good sir
@TamblanTheBrick, why would I go to you ? Lol
@TamblanTheBrick, dude. The whole point is that you can't let kids make life changing decisions. But I'm sure you never did anything stupid as a kid.
@GunSupporter, I did plenty of stupid shjt as a kid, and I paid for a lot of my mistakes, but I own the wrong turns I've taken and I appreciate them for getting me where I am today and making me who I am as a person. What I'm saying in my comment is that if you do something, you have to accept the consequences of that action, whether good or bad. If a kid thinks that they're at a mental maturity level to make such a decision, then they need to acknowledge that what they're doing is taking on the assumption that they also have the mental maturity to deal with the repercussions. These past couple generations (mine included) have had a lot of trouble taking accountability for their fvckups and that needs to change.
@TamblanTheBrick, the whole point is that they don't have the mental maturity level to make the decision to begin with. So the way you see it people should ruin their life so you can laugh and say I told you so. Let's not put an age limit on driving either so when they go out and kill themselves or others they can learn a great life lesson.
@GunSupporter, I don't have any intention of laughing at them. I live my life and deal with my own affairs, in my eyes others should do the same. Looking out for yourself is important, as is taking responsibility for your own actions. Do I think young kids should be advised against making bad decisions? Absolutely, but if they decide to go ahead with it, that's their decision. I 100% believe that you should do what you believe is best for you and utilize your Constitutional right to pursue your own happiness, but you have to acknowledge that there are consequences that go along with that.
Look, my general stance on what other people do is: I don't care. I will take care of myself. I will lend advice to those I care about and love to try and prevent them from hurting themselves. How others live their lives is not my business, so I have no right to try and intervene in it. Once those decisions start affecting me, though, I will raise my voice.
@TamblanTheBrick, in my opinion, an individual changing their gender or even sex via surgery has no effect on me. Young people should not be able to drive because they pose a danger to others and not just themselves. The same goes a bit for drinking and definitely applies to sex (you can royally fvck somebody's life if you have sex with them and give them an STI, get them pregnant, or fail to obtain consent). However, I don't feel it's any of my business how someone self-identifies, in terms of sexuality, gender, political affiliation, etc. so I make as much of an effort as I can not to try and tell them what to do
@TamblanTheBrick, I think that was one of the most deepest thoughts given on funnypics I've seen so far.
@TamblanTheBrick, okay since less that 2% of trans people that have surgery regret transitioning, I think we'll be fine
a 13 yr old is never old enough to make that decision if u let ur kid do that u are a horrible parent or ur the same way and if so ur still a horrible parent for imprinting that into your childs head and not letting it really be up to them... the whole transgender thing is a cry for attention anyway
@imtherealsuperman, please look at research before you make assumptions about what is happening, because there are significant chemical differences in transgender individuals comparable to homosexuals who are widely agreed to not have a choice in their own sexuality by researchers
@imtherealsuperman, that said, no children shouldn't be able to get this surgery and parents shouldn't support it because children are not old enough to decide if they want to be sterilized by hormonal treatments
@imtherealsuperman, except gender dysmorphia is a very real medical condition....simply having it, even if you successfully transition and "pass" for your gender, it like doubles your chance of committing suicide. Double that for people who never get to transition. And double that for people who try to transition but never pass for their preferred gender. It's not always a "cry for attention" you fücking muppet
@Welcommatt, I hope you never have a trans child; you'd probably forbid them from even exploring their gender identity and fück them up mentally into believing they weren't. By the time they're 20 and realize you were wrong, they'll never be able to actually be the person their brain chemistry wants them to be. After that, they'll probably commit suicide because you think "the whole transgender thing is a cry for attention"
@Monad Vairocana, really there are where are you getting these scientifically proven chemically differences from? Have you study them yourself. If so o want to know why all of the sudden in thousands of years its different than its always been? Dont say were evolving because thats not evolution. As a matter of fact it would be de-evolution if anything because they die out due to inability to create new life
@imtherealsuperman, you said and I love you for it
Your under 18 consent reason is stupid and wrong, your under 16 argument is flat out retarted, and your under 13 argument is mind-numbingly bad. "make it easier to fit in" is the lamest excuse to let a child decide their own gender, with that excuse we should give kids everything they want no matter how idiotic or harmful because you know a kids gotta fit in.
@mrgork, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or for real
This comment by no means is gonna get the top comment. I'm not gonna see this thing get a bunch of upvotes so that everyone can see my comment, but if I may humbly ask for your time in reading this, I would be very grateful. I understand that the base of this community is pretty conservative, or maybe it's just the vocal ones I see. Regardless I'm asking people who are not transgender (aka Cisgender, because you accept your biological sex and gender) to consider for a moment what it must be like for a transgender person to live day to day life. Society expects them to behave or look a certain way, the LGBTQ+ community expects them to look a certain way, their peers and coworkers expect a look or behavior too. My point is this: transgender people don't just choose to be it to get attention. First off, why would they, knowing that they are gonna be subjected to some of the most heated glares and mental abuse? They don't just choose. I am reminded of Harper Lee's To Kill A Mockingbird -
@TheCaliforniaBuckeye, in which Atticus Finch says “You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view … until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.” To those who pass the judgement on them who can't help but feel like they are not part of their bodies, you will NEVER know what it's like for a transgender person. I will never know what it's like to be a transgender person. Unless you can put yourself in their skin, it is totally immoral, unjustified, and just plain mean to call them, what was it? Oh yeah, autistic? Pathetic, insecure, attention whoring, over sensitive snowflake whose parents obviously indulged you way too much and never taught you the very important skill of shut up and deal with it? That? Unless you can survive a day in a transgender person's skin, how dare you berate them and make them feel inhuman?
@TheCaliforniaBuckeye, I mean, we are all human. It doesn't take much to say, "I don't understand how you think, but I think you deserve to be treated with respect as a fellow human being." Like almost 0 effort to take the time to be kind. Even as a member of lgBtq+ community I will never understand why or how these people decide to do what they do. But what I can do is offer them the same kindness and respect as any other person. What I've seen here in the comments section is gutwrenchingly heartbreaking to see so many fellow FunnyPics users just absolutely spew all kinds of hate and malice. I know this community can be kinder. I've seen commenters that go out of their way to support suicidal people, or congratulate people for getting married! Hell, I know some commenters personally!
@TheCaliforniaBuckeye, what matters is that we as a community respect each other enough to not spew hate and anger at someone who has no control over it. We are all a great community who are here to partake in a collection of funny pictures that may or may not make us laugh. I've been here since the app was blue, Jamal was at the store and all that was on here were lock screen pictures that had a cartoon cow on it. Please, I beg of all of you, don't let this community be hateful. Don't let this community sink to the levels of intolerance because of lack of understanding each other. FunnyPics is one of the greatest app communities I can possibly think of (suck it, iFunny). Please, let it remain a community of all people of all different backgrounds and thoughts and faiths and races and genders to come together to laugh and bond over something funny. Thank you
@TheCaliforniaBuckeye, this topic has really brought out the worst in this community, and I truly think that the overall hatefulness has escalated in recent months. I don't really have anything else to say that you didn't cover. Amazing post. LOVE the Atticus Finch quote.
That being said, I'm giving this my first ever #bestcomments
@Blue Shirted Guy, thank you. It means a lot to me. I hope we can rise above the hatred of today 🙂
Wow. These points are way over-simplified.
@Penguin Airlines, welcome to Funny Pics haha
Yay more homophobia
@Mascelli, like I said above, welcome to Funny Pics haha
@Mascelli, how is this homophobia?
@MrMoustache, it's not, but I think they may have meant "LGBTQ+phobia" so I gave them the benefit of the doubt
@MrMoustache, also, remember our conversation from a while back? You see these comments? All in good fun, right?
The problem with transgenderism is that if you don't start transitioning before you finish puberty, most will never be able to fully transition. The only way to perfectly pass beyond being lucky enough to have genetics that leave you looking androgynous, is to begin hormone therapy at or before the beginning of puberty.
Unfortunately, a lot more people go through phases where they question their gender identity than people who are actually trans or gender dysphoric. Transitioning passes the point of no return fairly quickly (especially when surgical procedures get involved), and then you're even more screwed than before.
@I Are Lebo, trusting a 13 year old to know enough about themselves to make that decision is absolutely ridiculous.
@GunSupporter, for 99% of 13 year olds I absolutely agree with you. That's why it's a problem. By the time you really mature enough to realize that it's not just a phase, you'll be beyond the point of a successful transition.
Look at the Watchowskis. Both of them have millions of dollars in spendable income, both of them transitioned in their 50s, and both of them look like men in drag.
The technology is still larval, and isn't capable of reversing puberty's effects in most people.
@I Are Lebo, the number of 13 year Olds that would ruin their lives vastly outweighs the number that would make the right choice. And that's the whole point of the OP.
@GunSupporter, it cuts both ways. I was thirteen myself when I realized I was trans. I handled the whole thing poorly because I didn't know any better, and it will be a regret that I will carry to my grave. I'm 29, 6'3", 260 lbs, and no one would ever use the words 'androgynous' or 'feminine' to describe me.
I will likely never transition because I'm aware of how the technology would take me less than halfway. Whether or not there's more than two genders, there's only two sexes. Be one or be the other, don't be halfway between.
@I Are Lebo, a good example of someone who transitioned really well at is Blaire White. She transitioned after she became an adult, and she agrees that children shouldn't transition until they are old enough
@I Are Lebo, it really just falls down to no one at the age of 13 should be allowed to make major life altering decisions, even with parental consent. I know too many crazy unstable patents.
@Baby Cthulhu, I just did some research on Blaire White, and while it seems like a lot of people have a stick up their ass about her, and while nearly every single thing I've read about her or from her has been totally cünty, the fact that she is a poor model of trans people is kind of besides the point.
All of the before pictures I can find of her are of an effeminate teenage boy. She had the advantage of genetics that didn't lead her to the hyper masculine, and she CLEARLY started hormones during puberty.
Every trans person I have ever met (and that number is fairly large), either began transitioning during puberty and/or were feminine to start with, or they pass poorly. Without exception.
I'm sure there are exceptions to that. I just haven't met them.
@GunSupporter, what should happen at that age is hormones. Without surgery, hormone replacement therapy (HRT) can be reversed without lasting side effects, but can set the stage for future transitions to be successful.
@I Are Lebo, she didn't start hormones until after she finishes puberty. She has a video explaining her before and after. I find her to be a much better role model for trans people. The people who think she's a cûnt are other trans people that want to be victims, and SJW's.
@I Are Lebo, that still changes the way they develop and even tho they can be stopped can still leave lasting effects.
@Baby Cthulhu, I can definitely see why she pisses off those demographics. Her arguments are obviously purposefully inflammatory, but it would be hypocritical of me to criticize her for that.
She's still a poor role model, though. She acts more like a bïtchy teenager than a moral leader, and she seems to lie a lot. In ten minutes of searching Google, I found a couple of points where she claims not to be trans at all, which is twisting definitions at the very least.
Real trans issues are not what people sometimes think. "I'm not a boy or a girl, so what bathroom do I go to?" Is a really silly issue to be bringing up, but stating that if a trans person passes poorly they should be discriminated against is wrong.
And there is no way in hell she began hormones after puberty. The shape of HIS face, shoulders, torso, and especially hands show telltale signs of high levels of estrogen. Skin is harder to tell with low quality photos, but I'd bet money that she started hormones at 16 or 17.
@GunSupporter, if a boy on estrogen and androgen blockers switch to testosterone within five years all of the effects of the estrogen will be reversed.
@I Are Lebo, points where she claims to not be trans? Her whole schtick is about being tranny and not a victim. Unless you mean people are satin she isn't trans. The people that say that are the people who are pissed off at her. Also for me personally, as someone who is left leaning, anything that pisses off SJW's always makes me happy. She even admits that she can be rather mean, but that's just her personality. She's feisty. She says that she began transitioning when she was an adult, what happened is that she transitioned very well. I saw someone who transitioned from female to male very well as well after going through hormones after puberty.
@Baby Cthulhu, I met someone named Madison in a support group that passes so well I would never have been able to guess that she'd been born male. However she shared that she had needed to work in the sex trade to be able to afford her transition.
I would need to do more research on Blaire White and actually watch a number of her videos to form a coherent opinion on her myself, which is something I'm not really willing to do right now.
Having said that, I know better than to accept the opinion of a biased and pissed off person at face value. One of the sites I checked had this on it:
"Racism has been around since the dawn of time, pretending like it was invented by one particular race is the height of stupidity" - Blaire being racist.
Not only is that quote not in any way racist, the fact that the site phrased it that way clearly shows bias against Blaire and invalidates the site itself.
For the record, the site is drunkenpeasants.wiki
@I Are Lebo, no no no. This is where I draw the line. No doing research before forming coherent opinions. This is Funny Pics, damn it. Rabble rabble rabble
@Blue Shirted Guy, alright. She's a cünty McBitchface and I hate her!
....did I do it right?
@I Are Lebo, top comment material right there!
@I Are Lebo, this app has gone to the dogs, with a bunch of edgelords who lack basic human empathy and just hold any opinion to piss of non-existent "sjws". I would like you to know I respect your situation, because speaking from a simply statistical standpoint, it's one of the hardest things a person can go through in America. These people don't care that the hormones are reversible while your developing bone structure isn't. It's just a trend among neckbeard counter-culture to bash any progressive movement. Just wanted to let you know there are some people left on the internet with respect for other people's struggles
@Welcommatt, well I appreciate that. I wish you a pleasant evening. *respectful head nod*
@GunSupporter, you really should do research. If young teens are transgender (ie they have been evaluated as such by psychiatrists) they only take hormone blockers. No hormones or surgery until they're of age. If they change their mind, they go off the blockers and go through puberty like normal with little to no ill effects. Jesus Christ, educate yourself
@i are lebo....no the problem with transgenderism is that is exists
@imtherealsuperman, the real problem with transgenderism is that you exist
Puberty blockers aren't surgery? They're just pills that keep puberty from happening until one can figure themselves out.
I remember when i was 13 and discuvered porn. Now 13 year olds have sex and change sex. Dafuq happened in 10 years.
@monad vairocana, there is also a large group of ppl who research that world leaders are lizard ppl...doesnt mean there right... if u say u identify as a diff gender your brain has been twisted by something in ur youth years it does not happen naturally
@jrice429, I am 100% against children transitioning. Children do not have the mental capacity to make such life changing decisions. It's best to wait for them to be adults so they have a better grasp of the decision they are about to make. Also, just cause a 13 year old feels a certain way, it doesn't mean that they are. It's best to wait till they are older cause it may honestly just be a phase (I know, I know it's cliché) when they are that young.
*more autistic screeching*
@Baby Cthulhu, so the thing about transgender children is they don't ever have gender affirmation surgery. They go on hormonal blockers to delay puberty. If living as their identified gender improves their mental and emotional health, then hormone replacement. There have been almost no cases of trans kids having surgery in the developed world.
@jrice429, in honest curiosity, what decisions/choices did you make at 13 that, as of right now, being older, you completely 100% still agree with? *edit* I'm assuming you're older than 13, sorry if I'm wrong.
@jrice429, next time you feel like writing a long post like this, just write "autistic screeching" and save us all time. We'll understand what you're saying.
@jrice429, I'm sorry but that's ridiculous, as much as I am against changing your gender in general I can at least accept that people are going to do it anyway. But there's no way people should be allowed to do it until they are AT LEAST 18. 13 is way too young of an age to by making any reasonable decision regarding the future of their lives.
@Baby Cthulhu, I like the argument "Think about yourself and your friends when you were thirteen and get back to me on trusting those fvckers with life changing decisions"
@Baby Cthulhu, you're absolutely right when I was a little kid I loved painting my nails and playing with dolls. I would never think to do either of those things now that I'm grown up, but in today's society it's amazing how far adults could take that out of context. "Oh he plays with dolls and paints his nails? He must be expressing his true self we should encourage him to be a girl because he is free to make his own decisions" nah just let the kid be a kid and be happy, they can deal with adult concepts later when they're ready.
@TheWolf0fBallStreet, i guess i just feel this way because there's a transgender girl in my class. Well, born a girl, transitioning to a guy. I think he would have been happier to have had surgery at a younger age, because people say a lot about it behind his back
@El Batman, *pre-pubescent autistic screeching*
@jrice429, I was expecting a real answer, seeing as how you seemed/felt really strongly about the topic.
@jrice429, I think people are ignoring the fact that you wrote 13 year olds *with gender dysphoria*. I don't think that they should be having surgery so early, but I'm not an expert. I see where you're coming from.
(Edited: Looked it up + I Are Lebo's response. Answered question that I wrote here about if there are 13 year olds getting affirmation surgeries. There are. They aren't even close to making the decisions themselves, though.)
@Blue Shirted Guy, typically patients that young go on estrogen and androgen blockers until they're around 16. The flesh needs to develop more before they can perform the surgeries safely.
@jrice429, my only problem is that people are allowing their children to go through a life-changing surgery when they've barely even started puberty.
I just don't want to hear stories of children getting the surgery and growing up regretting their decision for the rest of their lives because it turns out their issue was just a phase of being young.
@El Batman, maybe I'm alone here, but I'd trust 13 year old me with that decision. I've never really done anything I've regretted, when I was 11 I decided what I was going to college for, and that hasn't changed. I also made the decision to invest in the stock market instead of keeping my college fund on a CD at my bank when I was around 13... I feel like kids are treated like they are incapable of understanding the implications of their decisions but if you give them a chance they'll generally be happy with their decision
@ajr12100, in that case mate, honestly there are very few kids at around that age that seem educated about the consequences of their actions. You certainly seem to know yourself on a level that many kids don't. In that sense, more power to you dude. I ain't no one to judge the choices you've made or criticise them, I was genuinely interested in your stance is all 👍
@El Batman, yeah sorry about that. Personally i wouldn't trust myself because i regret things I've done less than an hour after. Your comment just made me remember how stupid 13 year olds can be. My opinions on this whole topic have basically done a 180 turn after all this. I think I was just a bit pissed at some things in the OG pic (basically saying you can drink under 21, etc) and I wanted some way of showing how those parts are dumb while maintaining consistency and addressing all points in the OG pic
@jrice429, yeah it's cool homie. And the OG pic leaves out the fact that just because you're an adult doesn't mean you won't make wrong choices or regret them later. We never really stop learning my dude
I don't give a sнit if you're gay, but if you can't be happy with what you physically are, you're a pathetic, insecure, attention whoring, oversensitive snowflake whose parents obviously indulged you way too much and never taught you the very important skill of "shut up and deal with it, after the heat of the moment ends you'll look back and realize how wrong you were". And if you put so much value and meaning in your looks that you want to change them in any way (this includes plastic surgery and those hideous fuсking piercings that many girls and some very stupid men think look good) you're superficial trash.
@Trump Repellant, ikr. How dare people cut their hair and use deodorant too. Stop brushing your teeth! Rotten teeth and smelly bodies and natural and beautiful
As long as you look fully and believability like the gender you want, but when you look like a mix of both genders it wierd and creepy, almost circus freek looking.
"Transgender" is simply Gender Dysphoria. Gender is not a social construct. You cannot just change your gender at a whim. Please I beg you, people who believe in their delusions seek out help before you hurt yourself. There is no evidence supporting the fact that acceptance will drop "transgender" suicide rates, which last I've heard is at 32% of the 4% suicide rate across the U.S. This isn't an argument, this is a plea to help people out there that are at risk of injuring themselves.
Funny pics: under 17? We don't trust you with these dank memes.
At 18 we can take a bullet and die for our country but we can't drink a beer until we're 21...
The fyck.. alcohol at 21?
Is... Is the community actually arguing against this?
@AceKingPanda, squeaky wheels. Most people that agree just move to the next picture.
@Toad, you're probably right.
It seems there's a story behind this... But what?...