Lol the US is the furthest thing from "The Handmaid's Tale" that I can imagine right now.
Go visit the middle east for a week or so and then reevaluate that assertion.
@LookOutASni, What about Idoicracy? You guys really owned that milk create challenge
@LookOutASni, We're also pretty far from 1984, given that January 6th wasn't a complete bloodbath and last year's protests and riots didn't end with firing squads. I'd say we're closest to Wall-E or Outer Worlds.
@LookOutASni, I mean it's not like the meme mentioned US ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Slovak Guy , A Handmaid's Tale takes place in a dystopian alternate version of the United States.
@SimonPetrikov, What're you talking about bro? Jan. 6th was literally worse than 9/11. I truly fear the couple hundred Boomers who queued up to take pics inside Nancy Pelosi's office more than the suicide bombers.
(this is sarcasm btw)
@LookOutASni, that's fair, but I wouldn't consider the country it's set in as too important
@Slovak Guy , I would consider it very important, considering it's a very popular thing to do to show up to protests regarding anything tangentially related to women's rights dressed up as a characters from A Handmaid's Tale
@LookOutASni, I agree that the fear is overblown, but I was more addressing the fact that if we were as "1984" as folks like to say, then the current administration would have had those guys shot on site.
@SimonPetrikov, I mean a lot of it has come true, just not the government murder. More like the thought speak, and double thought
@LookOutASni, “Handmaids Tale” was literally based off of the Iranian revolution. It’s just imagining it happened in the US.
@LookOutASni, I don't think that changes anything. It's not like only American citizens can dress up as those characters
@LookOutASni, what are you talking about?!?! Women cant kill their kids in texas! This is literally the handmaids tale as we speak right now!!!
@Hotchkiz, Atlas Shrugged is the same. Its based off the rise of communism in USSR, but imagines if it happened in America
@SimonPetrikov, Wall-E for sure.
@WelI Obviously, I dunno, I wouldn't rule out Outer Worlds. Bezos has been to space, and I just read a headline (don't know how accurate it is) that Amazon is planning to build factory towns.
@LookOutASni, eh I agree we're no where near the dystopian society's that these books portray. But with the current state of things, especially with current conservative ideas within the Supreme Court, I wouldn't be surprised if ideas of facism becomes prevalent again in this country.
@kurumitokisaki , It sure will, but no in the way you think...
Fascism rarely takes the form of outright oppression and cartoon villains like it does in the movies.
It typically presents with smiling faces and assurances that every new encroachment is "for your safety and the security of our democracy."
@LookOutASni, I agree. No ruler ever rose to power by being outright evil. In facism there's always a scapegoat, a group to put all of them blame on. They feed on the hatred and feelings of the people and use that to their advantage. Oppression starts in small forms, but will grow alongside the support that is gained. Unfortunately we're beginning to see that in the states. Hopefully, with out democratic process we can halt any further progression of alt right talking points within a certain party.
@kurumitokisaki , The alt-right IS the scapegoat in your analogy. I know this because they are the ones the media vilifies ad nauseum.
Read some history: the Nazis were the NATIONAL SOCIALIST party.
@LookOutASni, I hope for all our sakes that this comment ages well. But man, I really don’t trust the government
@kurumitokisaki , The real enemies of America are those pulling the strings in places of power making sure that average Americans continue to fight each other along red-blue lines while the elites in places of power scheme about how they can get a little more money; a little more power out of it while blaming the problems they cause on average people
@LookOutASni, read some more history, and you'll see that facist use names that are popular during their time to seem more appealing. No regime will advertise themselves as a non Democratic state. Just because they have socialism in the name doesn't mean they have any attention of staying true to its democratic philosophy.
@LookOutASni, these people have really given socialism a bad name. Constantly using the name to advertise themselves as good when in reality they're just contradicting the ideology. The natzis weren't socialist, they were just facist with a colorful name. Stalin wasn't a communist, just a power drunk dictator who enforced facist control in his country.
@LookOutASni, I dont disagree with your statements of the elites pulling the strings. I just hope that we maintain our democratic process and prevent yet another facist from gaining power.
"These people have really given socialism a bad name"
The battle cry of many a shattered society. I'm sure y'all will get it right next time...
for real tho, miss me with the "it wasn't real communism" sh*t. Maybe after the umpteenth time it just doesn't work, bro
@LookOutASni, whelp, socialism has had about 100 years? While capitalism has had a thousand, possibly even longer under some technicalities, and even then its still incredibly flawed. I'm sure we'll succeed at some point, just gotta get passed the super powers placing facist dictators in power first.
not to mention the embargos that cripple any nation that even tries to make the attempt.
@kurumitokisaki , I mean, draw some f*cking parallels man.
"Hey there are some really no-good Boogeymen who are out there and want to hurt you. The only way to stop them is to just give us a little more power and let us erode individual freedoms a little more. We'll get the bad guys and then we'll give the power your surrendered back. Pinky promise!"
Know your history or be doomed to repeat it
@LookOutASni, I think you're misunderstanding the point of socialist policies. They actually give power to the people, not to the state. I ain't advocating for statism here. I advocate power to the workers. Not to one sole individual. Advocating for state control is a complete contradiction to the philosophy.
@kurumitokisaki , Oh god. You've been in college too long. Come back to the real world.
In a period of roughly 70 years, in a SINGLE COUNTRY, Communism killed hundreds of millions of people through pogroms, sh*tty economic planning, and downright despotism. It doesn't need more time for the kinks to be worked out, still. It's a lemon, bro.
Oh but that wasn't "real communism" I'm sure.
"It gives power back to the people". Hmmm, and who metes that power back out? The government? No thanks it wasn't theirs to begin with.
@LookOutASni, I believe we should give less power to the state and more power to our individual freedoms. Socialism does not equate to authoritarianism. You're comparing apples to rocks here.
@LookOutASni, the people through democratic means maintains the power. Man, look into what you're against before you even crap on it bro. From what I've seen you post so far, im on your side here .
@LookOutASni, can you please define what socialism is for me please.
@LookOutASni, and while you're at it can you look up market socialism. And worker-co-ops. They actually show some pretty interesting alternatives to our current system.
@kurumitokisaki , In a democratic society with a capitalist economic structure the power RESIDES WITH THE PEOPLE ALREADY. They excercise said power via the ballot box and their wallets. It is not perfect but it's raised more people out of poverty than a socialist structure ever has and will.
Any sort form of government that restricts the freedoms of individuals to choose how to spend their money or who should be in power (i.e. socialism/Communism there's very little difference despite what your professor told you) is inherently less free and more restrictive.
and if what your say is true (that you support less government control and more individual) that makes you libertarian, my guy. Keep your ideologies straight.
@kurumitokisaki , All of the things you advocate sound very nice on paper, but you have to realize that in order for them to come to fruition, the government is the only organization with the fiat to enact such measures, this placing the power with them.
Accept humanity as it is and not how you want it to be. Because the minute you try to force it into the utopia you want, you begin paving the path to hell.
@SimonPetrikov, 1984 is not about the government being controlling. It’s a bout the subtle things they do to ensure you do and think like they want you to. We are extremely close to 1984, and you are just blind to the process.
@LookOutASni, socialism does not restrict the freedoms of individuals. It amplifies freedom. It disallows power to interfere with peoples right to govern themselves.
Also, does our current system really allow for our personal freedom? Its better than many governments out there ill give you that, but it isn't the best, nor should we remain stagnant with what we have. Is it right for a ceo to take the majority of the profits for themselves when its the workers beneath them doing the majority of the work? Everyone must benefit from the fruits of their labor, having a corporate ladder allowing someone ontop to leach off of that isn't freedom, its just advanced feudalism. True freedoms comes from those who are able to govern themselves without having to worry about a systemic issue getting in the way of that.
@LookOutASni, currently we have companies like Amazon continue to place anti union policies and are actively taking away workers rights. We have companies like disney who pay their cast members a barely livable below minimum wage. We have talks of companies bringing back company towns. COMPANY TOWNS. If our current system has any possibility of company towns coming back, then it just goes to show just how fvcked it is.
@kurumitokisaki , shhhh enough newspeak.
Socialism is ass. I will not fall for it. I do not care about whatever new definition has been made up for it. It's the same bullsh*t with a shiny new package.
Capitalist societies account for the top 5% of individual earnings worldwide. Even the poorest people in the west have a a standard of living comparable to 1% of the rest of the world.
Are rich people d*cks? Yeah. Do people fall through the cracks? Inevitably. But you know what? Our poor are the "richest" poor people in the world. Miss me with the redistribution plans. It's old hat. It doesn't work. I literally don't care what your college textbook says
@LookOutASni, your current sentiments come from a long history of people twisting a philosophy to suit their needs. I can hardly blame you for that. Like I said, once a country is actually able to properly implement a socialist democracy without America or "insert capitalist superpower here" getting in the way of that goal, then I shall continue to remain critical of governments whose policies are passed by lobbyist who are writing laws to fit their own business interest. Again, we must improve our democracy in this country, because at any moment now there may just be another facist coup attempt.
@LookOutASni, New definition? Ok quick please give me a definition that you saw. I need to hear it. If there's an actual definition that explicitly states socialism as authoritarian statehood then I would love to learn about it.
@LookOutASni, yeah but you seem to care about stats that also came from text books. Since we're talking stats now, let me introduce you to some. Medical bills are reported to be the number one cause of U.S. bankruptcies. One study has claimed that 62.1% of bankruptcies were caused by medical issues. Another study shows that most American adults wish to drive themselves to a hospital rather than calling an ambulance due to our current system enforcing poor people to pay out of pocket. You can find many of these studies by mutiple sources. I suggest starting with the kaiser family foundation. Not only that but Workers in the U.S. are finding more demands placed on them, such as having to work longer hours, with the average workweek for many being 47 hours Some areas have very few protections for workers, so they don’t receive benefits such as paid time off, access to affordable health insurance, or protection under worker’s compensation laws.
@kurumitokisaki , Not reading your wall of text, comrade. Try your propaganda on some other chump.
@LookOutASni, you can't possibly disagree that in our current system. The elites always win. The rich get richer and the 1% continue to hold the majority of the wealth. Thats a problem.. That money can be spent in humanitarian care but instead it's going to the pockets of billionaires who leach off the success of others. No one should be contempt with our current shivty system. What you stated was like praising a square wheel for being able to roll down a hill. Sure the wheel was able to roll, but it would sure be a lot better if we had a round wheel.
@kurumitokisaki , Another paragraph.
@LookOutASni, sure man no problem. I encourage you to maybe read a book next time so that a "wall of text" doesn't intimidate you next time.
@kurumitokisaki , Nah I'm just tired of talking to you. It's the same lefty arguments from the same chumps every time.
Been going on for a century now.
And you'll keep going even when there's piles of corpses around you and you sit there wondering what went wrong for the 50th time this century
@LookOutASni, I still have yet to hear an argument from you. If the same arguments continue being correct with no rebutle. Then I guess it just means the right gave up in trying to make logic work in their favor. Feelings over facts for ya'll it seems. Always appealing to the same emotional bull that allows idiots to rise to power.
@kurumitokisaki , Re-read the thread then.
It's late. Good night. Please grow up.
@LookOutASni, I have grown up comrade. It is you that has yet to blossom in this corrupt world of ours. Good night sweet child.
@kurumitokisaki , ah damn you hit me with the "no u" on the way out. Nice!
@LookOutASni, indeed I did. Now come back when you finally show me a definition that states that socialism equates to authoritarianism whatsoever. Also quick question: would you call the natzi party socialist or facist?
@SimonPetrikov, Well, they did kill one, and it's not being called murder, despite the footage clearly showing it was murder.
@kurumitokisaki , I have to interject here on healthcare in the US.
When Obama made it more socialized, it got drastically worse, and bills got much higher. It was the move toward socialized Healthcare that made things more expensive, both in Healthcare, and in taxes.
Just a few decades ago, people were much better off, more money in the bank, we could afford things.
But the more we have pushed towards all of the stupid socialized crap, the worse it's gotten for everyone.
I'm not saying it's specifically due to it being socialized, while Socialism doesn't work, it's more because they try to make a hybrid system that we have seen the problems. A truly socialized Healthcare system is untenable in the US.
@JAMA, *sigh* you’re not wrong
- the Simpsons.
No love for brave new world...
@Jdasher5744, just need some of that sweet sweet soma.
Idiocracy is overrated.
That's it. I was going to go on a rant but like, that's all I really want to say.
@SimonPetrikov, one of the main points of 1984 was that there weren't bloodbaths. You avoid making martyrs.
edit:idk why you totally changed your comment, but for reference you mentioned the raid on the capital would have been a bloodbath.
@SimonPetrikov, Welcome to Costco, I love you.