“Better not administer first aid. It’s certainly not part of my duties as a police officer nor the very least I could do as a human.”
@ImNotRacistBut, can you give me the sparknotes version? I am out of the loop
@RMB, lady cop went into an apartment she thought was hers. Shot a man eating ice cream on the couch. She didnt do any first aid and the man either died there or in the hospital. Her apartment was one floor down or up I believe.
@BigBlackBalls, dont forget the fact that she was also blackout drunk as well
@BigBlackBalls, oof... that’s terrible. Just another reason I will keep my doors locked
@BigBlackBalls, also worth mentioning she was walking home drunk from the bar and carrying her service pistol
@BigBlackBalls, now imagine what the sentence would’ve been if that cop were a black man. Life in prison or death sentence. But hey, we should DEFINITELY trust the government... right?
@BigBlackBalls, and it was discovered that they were dating until a couple weeks before that.
@Quoth the Revan, I’ve not heard that tidbit. However, it hasn’t been mentioned that she only got five years (though a short sentence has been implied) for Murder charges. Also, his neighbor, whose testimony was key to both this case, and an upcoming case against DPD, was also shot and killed shortly after her sentencing.
@George Feeny, she wasn't drunk coming from the bar. She was in uniform coming off a long shift. I've never heard anything saying she was drunk. And I just researched it again and still found nothing saying she was drunk. But video shows her in uniform and the department confirmed she had just ended her shift.
@Quoth the Revan, I haven't heard this either. Where did you get the information?
@Not him again, she was not drunk.... she had sent messages to her partner, who was also her lover, about getting drunk, but she was not drunk at the time
@George Feeny, she was not drunk. She had sent messages about going out and getting drunk, but she was not drunk at the time.
@Mkb617, I don't actually know much about this ordeal, but I've read stories about how she was at least "under the influence". Not saying they are correct, but in a lot of states, being 0.03 alcohol content can be considered a DUI. But that's as far as driving goes.
Shooting a guy because you went into the wrong apartment, that you live at, I'd have to imagine it was a lot more. But sure, given it until the next day to test her, it drops about 0.5 percent every hour. So she very well could have been way over the limit at the time of the shooting.
Edit: sorry man, I don't support hatred by police officers, and I respect said officers....but something was amiss in this particular case
@Not him again, she was not under the influence of any drugs or alcohol.
@George Feeny, she wasn't drunk.
@Quoth the Revan, they were not familiar with each other in any sense.
@Not him again, I don’t disagree that something was amiss. But I have not seen anything that said anything other than she went home from work after, I think it was 13.5 hours. I have not seen one article or news report say anything about her drinking. If she had even had one Zima it would have been everywhere
@Not him again, I don’t disagree that something was amiss. But I have not seen anything that said anything other than she went home from work after, I think it was 13.5 hours. I have not seen one article or news report say anything about her drinking. If she had even had one Zima it would have been everywhere. Also in the post I commented on you said she was “black out drunk”
@Berntley, she received 10 yrs.
@Not him again, she wasn't under the influence of any drugs or alcohol. She parked on the wrong floor, 4th instead of 3rd. Went to where her unit would be. The self locking door was ajar and she entered. It's common for residents of that complex to accidently go to the wrong floor and unit. Since the unit was directly above hers it had the same floor plan. The lights were off.
Tbh, I feel bad for everyone involved. It was a combination of lots of unfortunate mistakes and circumstances that led to her pulling a gun. And in Texas if she was in her apartment the killing would be justified so she was emboldened by those circumstances to fire. Two shots. One pierced his heart.
When I lived in a similar apartment complex I definitely parked on the wrong floor before and I definitely put my keys into a neighbor's door. Not drunk or high, just on autopilot trying to get home. Her mistake cost that community two otherwise law abiding and productive citizens. She received 10yrs for murder.
@Quoth the Revan, she was dating her partner on the police force. Not the guy she shot
@NotCaveJohnson, I'm not exactly supporting what I said initially, because I honestly dont know anymore
edit: but that's the last thing I heard from the news before I stopped watching the story, so if there's more to it, I'd love to be enlightened, and I don't mean that sarcastically, I actually want to know
@George Feeny, she was not drunk she was discussing getting drunk, she was definitely distracted but who wouldbt be? After a long shift on the force the stress, and the shock. Its unfortunate and a grey area.
@big freedom, there was a case where a Black cop shot a white woman, while on the job. He was sentenced to 12 years. Amber Guyer was scentenced to 10. Considering that women revive shorter prison terms this is about average. However in both cases people took to the streets rioting. The best thing to do is renove race from the equation and keep your mind on ALL the facts,
@Mkb617, oh that's right, good call.
@undeadpuns, totally true. My statement goes to the average sentence for a black man is significantly higher. Average being the key word. The justice system is skewed. And nobody ever knows all the facts. That’s part of the problem. Between media getting it wrong (hands up don’t shoot) to peoples absolute certainty one way or the other...
@NotCaveJohnson, Was it ten? I thought I heard five, but my bad if so
@NotCaveJohnson, tbh she should have. I don't care what state you live in, but a trained police officer should know her own apartment. Its literally an integral part of the job to be aware of your surroundings.
@Not him again, she was off duty and just came off a 13.5hr work shift. More than 90 residents had reported unintentionally parking on the wrong floor. A few residents testified in court that they have unintentionally went to the wrong apartment. They had a similar floor plan. Jean lived in a similar unit directly above Guyger. And the lights were out.
Great timing. Especially after they decided tonight to actually charge that murdering psycho cop in TX with murder, rather than the typical “administrative leave” bullshît that they usually get away with
@big freedom, and yet her sentencing is a slap on the wrist for a murder conviction. AND the key witness that testified against her was shot and killed a few days ago. Not suspicious at all, eh?
@WhoseLineIsItAnyway, the cop that this pic refers to got off WAY TOO EASILY. she should be locked up for life for murder. Any non-cop would have been.
Curious to see what happens with the one that happened in Tx today.
@big freedom, that one was also a bad shoot. I love how the department’s defense of the officer’s actions were that they found a gun in the house (not even specifying if she was holding it). Multiple issues with that. 1. It is not a crime to have a gun in your home...in any state. 2. Even if she had a gun and was pointing it at the officer, he was basically snooping around her property with a flashlight at 2-3a.m. Any right-minded homeowner would meet an intruder the same way especially because... 3. At no point in the released video did the officer announce himself, and when he issued the “let me see your hands” command he fired the shot while he was still giving the command. Both of these recent cases are just really, really bad. Makes you feel like you can’t be safe even in your own home when you’re doing nothing wrong.
@WhoseLineIsItAnyway, absolutely. Actually makes me furious. I want cops to be held to the exact same standards as everyone else, if not a higher standard.
That guy fûcking murdered a young woman. I’m seriously surprised that they charged him. If it weren’t for the body cam I bet he would’ve gotten a medal.
@big freedom, past few years have really changed my whole outlook on law enforcement. I know the vast majority of cops out there either mean well, are at least neutral/good people, or care for their community/country above all else. But at the same time I’ve noticed a disturbing trend of gang mentality...from police departments prioritizing protecting their own, holding officers above the law. It’s unsettling at the least, and a warning sign of coming tyranny at worst.
@WhoseLineIsItAnyway, one of my best friends is a cop. I think too many people get blinded by ideology on both sides. “Fûck the police” OR “we support police”! No room for: they are a armed part of the government that must always be kept in check, ALWAYS.
@big freedom, be administratively thing is department policy. Not a legal decision on whether or not they're going to bring up charges. They lawfully cannot suspend an officer without pay just because they got into a shooting.
You're seemingly anti-cop and have no idea what is actually going on when these decisions are being made.
The officer also resigned which negates the need to put him on administrative leave.
And for the record I think charges are appropriate in this case. And the same with Amber guyger's case.
I also believe cops need to be kept in check, but I also believe standards need to be set because they are placed in situations most people are not. having the general public judge them for decisions they've made and such intense situations is not justice. sometimes shootings are justified. sometimes fights or necessary. too many in the public do not understand that.
@RogueKnight, I’m not anti cop at all. I’m absolutely anti cops murdering innocent people. And yes I do know what I’m talking about. Like I posted above, one of my best friends is a cop. I’ve followed the case carefully.
Of course shootings are justified sometimes. Wtf are you even talking about?
You seem to be one of those people that leave no room for pointing out murder when there’s a cop on the other end of the gun.
@big freedom, I don't agree with your assessment. A. Guyger is not a threat to the health and safety of the community. Her crime was not malicious. That ruling was fair. If your complaint is that others aren't treated fairly because they aren't cops, that's fine. I'll likely agree with you in many cases. But saying this woman deserves life is absurd. Too wrongs don't make a right. You don't fix the justice system by suggesting that it should be broken for everyone.
@NotCaveJohnson, cops are treated to a different standard than non cops. That’s not the fault of non cops, it’s because of the culture of protection and cover ups within many PD’s AND the courts.
“Not a threat to the health and safety”? She killed an innocent man because she shoots first. Killing an innocent man IS ABSOLUTELY A THREAT TO THE HEALTH. FFS that’s one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever heard.
She should be held to the same standard as anyone else if not an even stricter standard since she was trusted to enforce the will of the government.
Use “the shoe is on the other foot” method. If that man had walked into a police officers house and shot them under the exact same situation, what would his sentence have been? Answer that question honestly and that’s what her sentence should be.
@RogueKnight, The scrutiny of the police is absolutely fair and just. People that are tasked with enforcing the will of the government should be monitored extremely closely lest we get a tyrannical government. Are they sometimes judged wrongly by people? Abso-fûcking-lutely. The whole “hands up don’t shoot” was a fûcking lie and that cop, had he not shot, probably would’ve been murdered.
Are they sometimes too quick to shoot before knowing the situation? Abso-fûcking-lutely. And they made a choice to go into this line of work, so they should not be surprised that it’s both dangerous AND publicly scrutinized.
Like I said before, almost everyone feels the need to belong to a “side”. Each and every incident is different and each and every cop is different. I’m not “pro” or “anti” cop. I’m for making individual decisions and holding EVERYONE to the same standard.
What would that man’s sentence have been had he walked into a cops house and shot her on her couch? Answer that question.
@big freedom, She shot her neighbor living in an almost identical floor plan the floor above hers with the lights off. She's not exactly pulling over black men and blowing them away. This is a freak accident. Nothing about her behavior is that unreasonable for any gunweilding civilian to do in that situation. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong, but it wasn't malicious. And definitely not a set of circumstances I see being repeated.
This was Texas. Guyger shoots man in her own home: not murder, But when it's the floor above: murder.
If the reverse happened, a civilian killing a cop under the exact same circumstances.... Apartment building with identical floors, similar floor plan, lights off, door ajar... The exact same sentence would be appropriate. When your objective, and reasonable, and recognize intent or lack of intent, yeah, I'd say 5 to 10. She's done being a cop, she lost that privilege and she lost her freedom for a substantial amount of time. Fair. 10yrs isn't trivial.
@big freedom, he would’ve gotten life no doubt, not sure why anyone is even arguing that.
@UglyOldGuy, because they have to be “pro cop” whatever TF that means...
Critical thinking is dead.
@NotCaveJohnson, according to the stats, your statement just isn’t true. Killing a cop under any circumstances results in much higher penalty.
She will not serve anywhere close to 10 years.
You’re either extremely biased and not using critical thinking skills or lying to yourself about the differences.
You’re using the same defense that the Stanford rapist used. “Well it was only one time and won’t be repeated, so the damage is done, nothing more to see here”
@big freedom, sorry do you have a library of cases where cops are shot in their own apartments by upstair or downstair neighbors living in a similar unit... In the middle of the night.
That's gross. Slipping your dick into someone without consent isn't done without intent.
This is a freak accident. If the apartment door was closed Guyger would have put in her key and realized it wasnt her apartment. If Botham Jean was in bed she may have realized she's in the wrong apartment. If he wasn't home...
I've put my keys in the wrong door before at a similar complex, I've parked on the wrong floor before at a similar complex. I see how this could happen. But when I did it the door was locked, I wasn't carrying a gun, my neighbors weren't home, it might not have been dark inside the apartment.
Do you not see how many things have to line up to get A. Guyger to shoot a guy in his own apartment?
@NotCaveJohnson, that was a beautiful straw man! Did you build it yourself? I didn’t say it was the same as rape, I said you’re using the same defense.
You have a particular bias that is preventing you from seeing this rationally.
There are too many cases of unjustified police shootings and lack of prosecution to claim that they are “freak accidents”. This one MAY have been. I wasn’t there and I have never met either of them. But if the situation was reversed, history and statistics say that the punishment would’ve been much harsher.
@big freedom, then you are unjustified in your generalization. You have no precedence. Every case must be looked at on a case by case basis. There is nothing to compare this too. There is no history or statistics to point to that are pertinent for this.
Rape is not an accident, there are no justified rapes, there are however justified killings. That's why your remark of using the same defense as the Stanford rapist is an invalid comparison even if it was true. It was a rare set of circumstances that led Guyger to believe that she was justified in firing her gun. Even a civilian may have believed they were justified in the same situation. You have no history or statistics to inform you on what would be an appropriate sentence here. You need to view this and every other case inside a vacuum. Otherwise you are being influenced by the same biased and corrupt system you're opposing.
@NotCaveJohnson, a rare set of circumstances that led to Guyger murdering an innocent man. She killed him. And if you’re telling me that a black man mistakenly walks into the apartment of a cop and kills them, and gets 10 years, you are wrong. It would not happen. The system is biased. She got a biased sentence. There is no arguing that. Well, you can argue it but you’re wrong.
@big freedom, I don't care if it would or would not, because they SHOULD only get 10 yrs.
You're advocating for an unfair system that treats Guyger as unfairly as everyone else, in whatever hypothetical injustice that you cook up and have no precedence for.
I'm advocating for Guyger to be treated as fairly as everyone else. Two wrongs don't make a right. Guyger getting life in prison is wrong. I'm not into holding double standards.
If you find a private citizen getting 40yrs for the exact same crime offensive, then you should find giving Guyger life in prison even more so.
@NotCaveJohnson, fair enough. Unfortunately the system isn’t fair. And giving her different treatment (even if it’s the correct treatment) only serves to make the divide even bigger.
There’s a clear history and precedence of “good for me but not for thee” when it comes to LEO and courts and everyone else.
@big freedom, well she was arrested, fired, and charged. In this instance the police department was a little slow on their feet but what needed to get done got done. A day or two to arrest her. A few days more to fire her.
The comaraderie for LEOs comes from an Us versus Them mentality. If you want to erode that then you can't reciprocate or reinforce. It's You and your victim(s). It's A Guyger and B. Jean. Not cops vs black men. Not Them versus Us. Not tribalism. The fix is indifference, blind justice. You want to reduce the divide fine, I'll argue against injustice, just don't make me argue against you too by advocating it.
I still laughed
And she only got ten years and will probably be out in 3
@megamanx181x, but that’s ok... we should definitely trust the government to solve our problems...
@big freedom, the struggle continues, it terrifies me that if I made that mistake I probably would never get out of prison
@megamanx181x, if that's the case I think you really need to go look at the public court records for your county and other counties. Look at more than just the highly publicized cases.
@RogueKnight, again, hold them to the same standard. What would the man’s sentence be if he walked into a cops house and shot them on their couch? Answer it honestly.
What would the sentence be if he were white middle class. What would the sentence be if he were black and poor?
I guarantee that the answer is not the same in every case but it absolutely should be.
Trial seems to be a mess, might be a mistrial.
@Branded, 10 years in prison
@Branded, corrupt system is corrupt. Cops get away with murder (literally). Any civilian would’ve been given a much higher sentence. And if you’re black, probably would’ve been given death penalty. But hey, we should definitely trust the government to do the right thing...
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