Stay your ass inside. They’re telling you to because they’re telling everyone to.
And this is why the 2nd Amendment is so important and why the Founding Fathers of the free world made it so. Incase the government ever goes tyrant. And why we shouldn’t ever let gun violence ever persuade us to change that
@ThorOdinnson, I agree, but only a sith deals in absolutes.
@Canis Arktos, Are you ABSOLUTELY sure it's only the Sith?
@ThorOdinnson, You know the government has tanks right
@Audiodacity, realistically, if it came to another civil war, portions of the military would be on whatever rebel side there was. Probably not enough for victory by any means, but enough to make it hurt. Conversely even if they didn’t join they could just refuse to attack civilians. What if all they’d done is defend themself? My point is that yeah they have high tech weaponry, but many people behind those would think twice about using them on American citizens unless they’d done terrible things already.
@ThorOdinnson, I don't see how the government would ever do that and also why any American would shoot the police or military because the government is now a tyrant. Or who are you expecting to come to you from the government that you are expected and have the right to shoot?
@Orlandude, i meam, people are already shooting cops because they think they are racist?
@ThorOdinnson, okay... amazing tangent. Way to make a kinda funny meme into supportive propaganda.
Tell me, what is a tyrannical government? Because a government's duty is to protect the people they govern, from threats foreign AND DOMESTIC. You wanna talk about ignoring gun violence? Cool, nobody else was thinking about it until you brought it up. But amazingly, you can actually kill a ton of people, directly or indirectly, by ACCIDENTALLY spreading Corona to the at-risk population. So unless you want the government to monitor every. Single. Fvcking. Person. To make sure that no one is spreading it, then they have to do this whole quarantine business. And correct me if I'm way off base here, but I think that level of micro managing is closer to actual tyranny than telling people to do something that most of them are too stupid or stubborn to do themselves.
But hey, don't let me stop you from your paranoid ramblings about losing your guns during a damn pandemic. Nice priorities.
@ThorOdinnson, I went out and got an AR-15 as soon as quarantine talks started
@Audiodacity, ooookay...who has a batter chance of winning against a tank, a group of people with sticks and pitchforks or a group of people with guns. I’ll wait
@NeroSaber, cool story bro
@ThorOdinnson, No, I'll be the one waiting from my comfy armchair watching your head atomized.
There is something undeniably deeply wrong with the entire culture surrounding guns in this day and age, and frankly the idea the founding fathers had for this country is dead along with them.
You wanna have a hand gun for protection and can follow all regulations and laws? Cool, no problem. You feel the need to have a collection of rifles for 'protection' and 'hunting'?
Let's stop the bvllshlt and just admit this ain't about exercising your 'god given rights' but rather you have a small pp and a fragile ego and guns make you feel big and strong.
@ThorOdinnson, neither group has a chance. That’s like asking wether a brick house or a straw house has a better chance against a nuke, they’re both completely out classed.
@Audiodacity, the beautiful thing about America is so do private citizens
@ThorOdinnson, 0% of winning or 0% but with guns.
@Audiodacity, You're the same kind of person who always quotes Thus Spoke Zarathustra because you saw the quote "god is dead" and thought it was just the coolest thing but fail to understand the next line of the novel let alone what it actually means.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Okay Chidi. Well I must admit Ive never read Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and I don't see what 300 year old philosophy has to do with now.
This country is a mess, that's never going to change, and guns won't save you
@LorienNine, an interesting development, to build on what you said, can be seen with the way governors and mayors have acted in ways that follow their conscience and occasionally contrary to federal mandates. While I have mixed feelings about the way this has bee employed and won’t be taking sides here, I am pleased to see the idea of this union holding strong. We are a union of individual states. We are not Trump, or Obama, or whatever individual politician you love or hate. Each city, each town, each county and state is an attempt to make their own little slice of heaven. I like this. There has been a trend to federalize lately but the idea of sanctuary cities, the ways state governors are acting separate of certain federal agencies... again, I’m not going to take sides right now cause I have opinions on both sides... the way they can act independently but still want the best for “America” is a good sign in my book. It means no one person/group has too much power.
@Canis Arktos, if you’re into books there’s a interesting series called Divided we Fall by Trent Reedy. Basically shows worst case scenario from an anti-federal POV, at least at the start. It really goes to show both sides of the extremes and how letting pride get in the way of compromise could easily be our downfall. It also takes and interesting look at the governors handling things the way they think is best.
@Audiodacity, I assume that's supposed to be a cutting remark? I dont really understand the refrence.
Anyway, ideas don't become invalid because they are old. What you think and believe is based on ideas that in some cases are thousands of years old. That's not even to mention that ideas dont come out of thin air, they build on each other so newer ideas wouldn't exist without the old ones.
@Kliment Voroshilov, And I choose to believe nothing cuz everything is meaningless and no ideas will change that. Even if that in of itself is a philosophy I do not care.
@Audiodacity, That's basic Relativism/Nihilism and I have no idea how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can believe it.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Well the cool thing about that is I don't need your validation. You and your cvnt face can fvck off. Or not. I don't care.
@Audiodacity, Ehh, I've been called worse by better people. I hope that at some point you will spend more than 3 seconds thinking about your paradoxical beliefs and change your mind.
@Kliment Voroshilov, Ok cutie
@Kliment Voroshilov, you are the Superman, @audiodacity is the Last Man.
@Doctor Yak, That is a surprisingly apt comparison for audiodacity, and I wont reject being called the übermensch.
@LorienNine, that’s exciting, I do like books. May I offer to you a referral as well. A handful of authors got together. Dreamed up a possible, just far enough to be interesting but just close enough to be believable, future. Then they each wrote their own short stories in this future and compiled it in a book.... that later became something of a minor series. Check out, “Metatropolis”. It’s certainly not a best case centric but I’d argue it’s not a worst case either. In many ways we end up with a hyper connected group of city states and territories. But with the internet, we also get entire countries that live, not in VR, but in AR. Some really fun (and occasionally troubling) ideas.
Thanks again for the recommendation.
@NeroSaber, I strongly disagree. Our government's purpose is not to protect us, but to protect our rights(which may arguably include the right to life). Last time I checked, there is no clause in the constitution to suspend the right and duty of citizens to rebel against tyrannical governments or freedom of assembly in the event of emergencies. If rights actually exist, then they must he absolute, by definition. In fact, those are most likely when we need those rights to be recognized the most.
@Audiodacity, you obviously have a very narrowed view of history. Under-developed militias have been fending off military superpowers for centuries. A recent example is the vietnam war. A group of joe-shmo rice farmers with AK-47s fended off the worlds most powerful military to the point where they had to retreat. History aside, firearms ownership is not necessarily about preventing us from being killed by the government, its about preventing control. If somebody wanted to kill us all, dropping a nucleur warhead could certainly do that and we would be powerless. However, nobody will be able to put us in a gulag unless they come into our homes with guns. THAT is what firearm ownership can prevent. Specifically, being able to own the same level of defense technology as the military(rifles, supressors, armor, night vision, etc). Which in the great USA we are able to do. Firearms are certainly more useful for keeping peace than you understand. They are not merely weapons, but also shields.
@Fordfreak24, I mean whatever helps you sleep at night
Florida getting shut down tonight. I’m an exception because I work at a hospital. Help.
@The Pun Shielder, no, it’s a stay at home suggestion, Floridians would fvcking riot if they really tried to keep us in.
@RiffRaff, yes, the same people who have disregarded the recommendations until now will continue to disregard these recommendations
@RiffRaff, can confirm, literally made a quick stop for gas and Walmart and the gas station were packed.
The difference between "Please stay inside" and "you are going to stay inside" is whether or not I am going to listen.
@Barry Dylan, it’s land of the free, not land of the obstinate. Consider their words until you actually have a reason to do otherwise.
@Barry Dylan, when it's for the safety of millions, if you don't listen I'm all for them making you
@theshadosnipe, I'm glad you're willing to trade other people's freedom for your security.
@Doctor Yak, your rights end where another’s begin. my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness includes life. stay inside
@Hoban Washburne, your safety is not more important than anyone else's rights. And if we sacrifice our rights now, we may never get them back. I know people are scared, but that's all the more reason to stand up against the blatant disregard for our constitutional rights that is going on right now. I'm not advocating for people to gather together, just wanting people to realize that being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal.
@Barry Dylan, similar to the difference between “Please die” and “You are going to die.”
@Canis Arktos, i guess global pandemic emergency that has offed all ages of lives and quarters of the population is not reason enough. Id say let the dumb@sses get sick for their own good but i just dont wish that on the good "essential" people who have to deal with them.
@Doctor Yak, you're essentially saying it's ok for someone to go shoot up a place because of the freedom to use guns. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few
@theshadosnipe, you don't have a freedom to use guns on people. You have the freedom to own them and use them in defense of yourself, the people you care about, and your property. I'm not saying people that are confirmed to have covid should be allowed to gather with people, I'm saying if you don't have the symptoms and have no reason to believe you might be infected you should be allowed to go about your business. And consenting adults should be allowed to do risky things if they want to take the risk and accept the consequences of their actions.
@Canis Arktos, if you think this isn’t the land of the obstinate you don’t meet a lot of people
@Doctor Yak, Corona has an incubation period of up to 2 weeks during which there will be little to no symptoms, I know this might hurt your ego but you are not capable of diagnosing wether or not you have covid-19
@BigJohnson86, I was speaking to our ideals more than our truth. Current status in American prisons, as well as other political things I don’t intend to touch here, somewhat call into question the “free” bit too.
Still, regardless of our many many problems, it’s a pretty damn ok country moving in the right direction... even if at a snails pace sometimes. Women can vote, state supported slavery is over, and nationwide violent crime has taken a nosedive. We’ve got issues but people forget that slowly, we’re moving in a good direction. Heck, the fact that non-lethal munitions was something we even tried to make and employ in crowd control is a huge step up from Ancient Rome or the Medieval Periods.
@Doctor Yak, if it's only to themselves I agree. That's why I don't really like the seatbelt laws. But if you're endangering others that's not ok. You can be infected for 2-3 weeks with no symptoms and infecting others, or you might get infected by some other idiot who had the same thought process and unknowingly spread the virus, in which case you can then spread it to everyone in your house and business
@theshadosnipe, again, irrelevant. It's no different than imprisoning someone because they might commit a crime which is stupid. You don't punish someone because they could do something wrong, you're supposed to punish them after they have already provably done something wrong. You don't assume guilt, you assume innocence until proven otherwise.
@Doctor Yak, most crimes aren't done unknowingly are they? I don't see many people "accidentally" rob a store or something. Not to mention most crimes only affect a small amount of people. If you're infected with the virus and go to the store or something, it lives on surfaces up to 4 days after touching something. Shopping carts, doors, money, ect. How many dozens or hundreds of people go through a store daily? And then it's a chain reaction of each of them infecting dozens more. How is this concept eluding you?
@theshadosnipe, I'm saying that if you don't definitely have it, and don't have any reason to suspect you might have it, i.e. you have none of the symptoms and you haven't associated with someone that is either symptomatic or confirmed to have it, then you shouldn't be REQUIRED to be isolated. I'm all for people following recommendations and guidelines, but when it comes to the point that legal things are being put in place to mandate that you only go out for what the state deems as a good reason, I have a problem with it. I get that it's scary out there for people, but we can't let fear run our lives. And we especially can't let fear cause us to sacrifice our rights for some percieved security.
@Doctor Yak, did you forget the whole "2-3 weeks of infection without symptoms"? Without getting daily testing there's literally no way to know if you have it or not, or if anyone you know has it. Sure, don't lock yourself in a panic room out of fear, but don't go needlessly allowing it to potentially spread either. Thus the whole "stay inside unless essential" thing. Go to the store. Buy groceries and stuff. But don't go throwing parties or hanging with the homies cause you never know whos infected
@theshadosnipe, I have no problems with the recommendations. I have problems when regulations start to be put in place. If you wanna live somewhere that has authoritarian policies and practices go live in China. But that stuff has no business here in America.
@Doctor Yak, if you're going that route isnt every law like that. Laws literally only take away freedom. They simply tell you what you can and can't do. Where you can drink, where you can own guns, what kind of guns, ect. These are no different. If anything these are more reasonable because there's a literal pandemic going on
@theshadosnipe, I do disagree with a lot of the laws we have right now. But it's a lot harder to get rid of a law that already exists than it is to write new ones. That is why I want people to think about what can happen if the government gets these massively overreaching powers that some people are calling for. It's very easy for them to get rid of our rights, and a lot harder for us to get them back.
@Doctor Yak, but these laws are already in place. I live in Wisconsin and the governor made it I believe last week. This isn't a bill or something that's being written. The other thing is do you still follow the existing laws, even if you don't agree with them? If so what makes this any different?
@theshadosnipe, the difference is that any of these laws about limiting people gathering and whatnot are in blatant disregard of the first amendment of the constitution. There are no other laws that violate the constitution, and if there are they should be overturned for being unconstitutional.
@Doctor Yak, you mean like the constant "right to bear arms" that's always being mentioned. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the first amendment say that there shall be no law prohibiting freedom of speech, press, or peaceful protest? Pretty sure quarantine/isolation doesn't fall under any of those
@theshadosnipe, it's peaceable assembly, as well as religion, which has also been violated in some places with the arrests of pastors that refuse to stop holding services. I get that it's an exceptional situation, but it needs to be handled carefully, because the risks are high on both sides. Sure, you could have the perfect solution for safety with everyone being kept in their homes by the military, but then freedom goes out the window. Alternatively, we could do nothing and let people live their lives how they want and then lots of people will die that may have been preventable. Personally, I think if you're afraid then you should stay inside, but I shouldn't have to stay inside because someone else is afraid to go out.
@Doctor Yak, I'm concerned an essential worker so I have to still go. Why should I be endangered because people don't take proper precaution?
@theshadosnipe, you don't have to work that job. If you're really that worried you shouldn't. But if you're willing to risk it, that's your choice, just like everyone who goes out.
I understand quitting right now is kind of absurd due to the current job market, or lack thereof, but still, nobody is actually making anyone expose themselves to risks that they aren't willing to accept.
@Doctor Yak, and how would I afford food, bills, ect? That's like saying no one is forced to work even in normal conditions. Technically right doesn't mean feasible. I wouldn't even get unemployment if I quit. At least the people considered non-essential get paid at least that, sometimes full paychecks. Believe me, if I was allowed to just stay home I wouldn't hesitate a second
@theshadosnipe, well, you could find a different job that allows you to work from home, or start an online business maybe. There are options. They're not all great, but they're there. But I feel ya. The world is full of dangers, but that's what makes living exciting.
Almost certain that's an IRA man in the photo, but since there are heated comments on something based on basic logic that I'm too lazy to read, I suppose it's... None of my business
@The Next Guy, I remember when someone tried use their threat of "you have to get lucky every time, we only have to get lucky once" as a motivational line. Lol.
It’s funny because of the F word.
If you wait for the brainless politicians in govt to tell you to stay inside and not leave until there’s a vaccine then you deserve corona.
Drove behind those New Hampshire license plates for too long to put up with that shït. Live free or die.
In this case it would be:
"Live free and let others die"
@Donquixote Corazon , I acknowledge that they may get me. But I’m free to make ‘em work for it.