If your company is posting anti-Union adverts, you need to be in the Union.
@A Deformed Penis, when I was hired on at Walmart, during orientation, they had us watch what essentially translated to an anti-union brainwashing video.
@jasontype40, staples was the same before I left. We even had to sign a formal saying if we unionized they would fire us... sadly it is mostly highschoolers and college kids that worked there... also I quit because I was getting reprimanded on the sales floor WHILE I was with a customer...
@A Deformed Penis, these adverts are essentially the same thing as "raising the minimum wage causes inflation"
@CellSword, They're the opposite of that, because that's actually true.
@Papyru, spoken like a true believer
@CellSword, If you mean a true believer in basic economics, then yes. I've never even seen a company make an advertisement that says that. Probably because it's common sense.
@Papyru, or, stick with me here, a company that makes millions in profits and just uses them to do stock buybacks (that only help their owners and board while the employees can’t survive off a full time wage without government assistance) should be forced to use that money to instead pay their workers above $7.25 an hour. Walmart employees take millions in tax dollars each year in the form of government subsidies they need to survive. Making the company use their excess billions to actually pay their staff enough to live off of instead of hiding that money from taxes and bloating their stock price would just be putting the companies money back into its most important assets, it’s employees, and if done correctly, wouldn’t require the fed to print more cash. Could be done in the form of legislation that doesn’t actually raise the minimum wage for everyone, but for companies that employ millions, and can afford it.
@Spetsnaz , What's really going to happen if minimum wage goes up is that the companies are instead going to increase their prices to make up for the lost profit. The whole point of business is profit, and if people are willing to work for you for minimum wage, it makes no sense to pay them any more. Even if it doesn't cause too much inflation, it will cause the cost of living to go up significantly, and everyone who already makes above minimum wage isn't suddenly going to get a raise to make the margin bigger. Let's say minimum wage rises to 15/hour. Now everyone who was living off of 20/hour is screwed because the cost of living has gone up so much, and the people making the new minimum wage will still be impoverished.
Realistically, if you work for minimum wage, that's really your fault. Only 2% of workers work for minimum wage, and even most McDonald's pay at least 8/hour. If it's minimum wage, it's a job, not a career. You shouldn't live off of working at Walmart.
@Papyru, Minimum wage is for teenagers and the elderly. If you don't have any marketable skills in between then, you should be reevaluating your own life, not the businesses.
@Papyru, have you considered the fact that we’ve had three recessions in the last 20 years? And that there are more and more people on or near minimum wage every year? Businesses will pay people the absolute minimum they have to when there is an abundance of labor, and that’s been happening a lot with the world economy crashing every 6-8 years. People deserve to earn enough to have savings for those times, and to be able to pay for basic needs like medical procedures.
@Spetsnaz , I think people just have no idea that minimum wage is 7.25 an hour, and everyone just assumes that minimum wage means anything below 10 an hour. You don't "deserve" anything just for existing. You work for it. If you want to do unskilled work, you get paid unskilled wages. You can argue that it's not easy to work in retail, but it doesn't require any level of skill that a rando off the street couldn't accomplish after a half a day of training. When you allow yourself to be that expendable, why should they pay extra to keep you?
And you proved my point by saying they'll pay people the minimum they have to. And if minimum wage increases, so will the prices of goods so that the companies can maintain their profits. They're not just going to be like "oh yeah, let me give up a huge chunk of my profits so that my workers make enough to live off of". That's an extremely idealistic view of the world, and it's just not realistic.
@Papyru, people really dont understand anything, you are completely right, a career should not be retail or fast food services, and raising minimum wage will inflate prices, it always does, a prime example is the housing market.
@Papyru, I think working 40+ hours a week should be enough to entitle someone with the right to fücking live. I don’t think you realize that businesses are actively de-skilling workforce’s with automation and technology, and making their employees expendable. Also I didn’t say they will pay people the minimum if they have to, I said they will because they can. Unless forced to pay more a business will offer its workers the least they will accept, and will need to be forced to pay a fair wage. And your response to “businesses are only out for their profits and don’t care about employees” is really “well no point in trying to advance the interest of the worker, they’re already screwed” it would be realistic if people like you didn’t think a livable wage was a lost cause. It hasn’t always been, as business advances it regulation also has to, Cars didn’t need seat belts when they topped out at 15 mph.
@Spetsnaz , Lmao if you're working for 40+ hours a week and can't live off of it, learn a skill and move somewhere that isn't a big city. It's really about making decent choices in life. Working 40 hours a week doesn't entitle you to anything besides the wages and benefits you agreed upon in the contract you had to sign with your employer.
@Papyru, the thing is most cities have ordinances that raise the minimum wage. In NYC it’s more than double the national mw. And in most first world countries working 40 hours a week entitles you to actual vacation time, parental leave, sick days, and healthcare. But somehow the richest country in the world can’t afford that. While places like the Netherlands and Russia can, despite having a smaller economy than California. If you really think none of this stuff can change you’re already lost. Other places in the world are miles ahead of us in that regard, it’s no wonder the country is in a mental health crisis. Ive got a good job that pays me well, but I was lucky to ace enough in savings to get a degree that got me a job right out of college. It’s worse in rural areas than it is in the country too. At least in cities there is a job market
@Spetsnaz , D@mn, you're really a commie. Maybe if the US would go back to isolationism and quit paying for most of NATO, the UN, and shipping random millions of dollars to European nations to make them look rich, we could afford to have no real opportunity for improvement. But here in America, we tend to vale the ability to social climb, which you can't do when the government decides what level of school you get to go to. Move your entitled äss somewhere else if you want to do the bare minimum work.
@jasontype40, they do the same thing at Amazon
@Papyru, lol you’re really brainwashed. Can’t even realize we spend more on our military than we do in aid to NATO. Classic that you think I’m speaking for myself, because you can’t imagine doing anything for anyone but yourself. But no I’m a “commie” for thinking people shouldn’t die just because they can’t make enough money to save themselves. It’s so difficult of a system to implement, only 29 of the 30 richest countries in the world have figured out how to make it work. Our healthcare is so good, we’ve got a pet capita death rate from covid similar to Nicaragua. So impressive.
@Firefighter95, Really? That’s blatantly illegal.
@A Deformed Penis, yup and if the registers started getting overwhelmed we would have to return from our breaks and be told that we can't have the rest of them. Also when I worked in easy tech we would be refused breaks all together and most of us hid sandwiches in the desk and when the manager went in the back we would slam down what we could. Office supply workers in the back had a code for when they where returning, they would ask if someone could clean something in back of store, whether it was bathrooms or a random isle. It was good the first time I worked there but when I had to return they treated me like sh1t and the new manager broke so many laws. I just wish we had the guts to go after them
@A Deformed Penis, union ruined my career. Screw the unions. Protecting the lazy jerks who do nothing.
Every single airline pilot I know is super thankful for their union so I think these dues are well worth the price of a rtx 3080
@PacificaPelican, I dunno about airlines, but machining unions are beyond stupid. They protect to worthless and dangerously stupid. We had a guy last year come to work drunk and knocked over a stack of racks of aluminum part, in total weighing more then 2 tons, and they stopped the company from firing his ass. If anyone had been under there they would have died, no question but all he got was a mandatory video on workplace safety.
I think it depends on the union. Some unions that actually fight for their people are worth having and fighting for. Some unions just take the dues, offer nothing, and use your money for whatever they want. Some unions will use your money for political fundraising and you have no say in it. So, as for most things, it shouldn't be a blanket for or against unions.
@spongeblade, my dad always says “truly good companies do not need unions, there are just very few of those kinds of companies” that being said, the worst companies (to their employees) generally will fight workers collectivization tooth and nail. See Amazon and Walmart.
Union dues are typically 2 hours pay per month. $700 / year means $58.33 per month, which means the job pays $29.16 per hour. I don't think they should be getting rid of their union.
I also double as an angry union steward. If you work for usps, you need to pay your dues. They will fvck you every chance they get and expect you to buy them dinner.
@the angry mail lady, I worked at UPS instead of USPS but I know the union literally screwed us over. They admitted to us they took a bad contract for the workers because it gave the union what they wanted. Sure we got less medical and dental benefits but they claimed it would give “us” the power to get a better contract in the future by taking one that offers more power to the union leaders... so yea unions suck in my opinion but I don’t doubt for one minute some actually benefit from their unions at their jobs. So I see there value even though nobody should be forced to pay to be in one to have their job it should be optional. You either choose to pay and have their backing like the mobsters and their “protection money” or you don’t and just have to back yourself should you screw up.
It would be delta airlines. Where life is a fůcking nightmare
Blanket random unions are bad. Making one up just because you're bored is not a good issue. But for larger corporations it makes more since. Not so much on a small business i.e. >75 employees.
Unions: “we need more immigration.”
Unions are prone to corruption, and you can end up like Detroit’s auto industry.
If you have a “good” union, make sure they don’t kill your industry with stupid decisions. Also make sure the Union isn’t just a price for entry. (Like join Union or we won’t hire you.)
@ Michishige Shou, everything is prone to corruption, just look at congress’ approval rating
I see their purpose but God do I hate my union. All they care about is tenure, so the new guys (aka me) end up pulling 12 hour days because my coworkers decided that they didn't feel like coming in.
Had a bad experience with unions. Leaving it at that.
I always hated being forced to be in a union I didn’t want to be a part of and having to pay union dues for a union i didn’t support. I would complain and the pro union people would say well you say that now but what about when you need them then get angry when I point out I would rather stand on my own merits. I mean at one time and in some cases the unions are still required but I would say at least 70% of the places I worked at or know people who work at with unions all agree on one thing... you’re paying $20.00 a paycheck in order to ensure the crappy worker who is always late and calling in keeps their job when everyone around them wants them gone.
The only good thing Gawker ever did was keep people alerted to the heinous ways Target was treating its employees about wanting to unionize.