The security in Whiterun is terrible, shameful is what it is
@theprofprofessor, what's the matter? Someone stole your sweet roll?
@Oh so cherry, *shoots arrow into your knee*
@Natural Sarcasm , is that fur? Coming out of your ears?
@theprofprofessor, you know what's wrong with Skyrim these days? Everyone's obsessed with political memes.
@theprofprofessor, Commander Caius walks around Dragonsreach like a preening rooster. I could do his job blindfolded....
Defunding the police seems extra stupid. Can someone clarify what the pros are?
@Natural Sarcasm , the concept is not a complete removal of funding, but rather a massive downscale of what they’re responsible for, and moving the responsibility of non-criminal response to other community projects/groups without the same authority as the police.
That’s the concept as it’s been described to me anyways, I imagine there’s some loose language up for interpreting.
@Ultimatum, so what is a non-criminal response?
@Ultimatum, that'd sound better if Minneapolis hadn't voted to tonight and (specifically the seattle autonomous zone) abolish them completely and people weren't demanding "the tainted justice system also be abolished". Reality isn't matching the ideal, what a surprise...
@Natural Sarcasm , the theoretical pros overall do not match what the people calling for it want. Basically the pros are a stronger 2nd amendment, increased personal responsibility, stronger small communities, all with an emphasis on external threats. Thats basically all a right libertarian dream, coming from a leftist authoritarian protest.
@thrawnfett, I heard of that too and I don’t get it. Are they forgetting about forensic science? Not exactly a job that can be done by anyone. Or in the case of child abduction how are they going to track down the perpetrator with at least the same efficiency as the police? There are so many problems that require special skill sets I just don’t see how this works
@Natural Sarcasm , The issue is, the "special skills" the police have now is escalation tactics. Meaning violent response is their knee jerk reaction to most any situation. Cops used to be trained in de-escalation tactics, IE talking the jumper down. Most people that say "defund" aren't talking about the investigators or forensic teams but excessive combat training and combat gear. An average police department only needs a very small team of heavily trained combat officers. Most calls can be dealt with by social works or unarmed police. Look up the Finnish police. They have an absolute outstanding record.
@Thanatoz, But the idea of getting rid of police all together is out there. While the concept you’ve givin seems okay by comparison to Finland which has a population of 5.5 million instead of nearly 400 million there might be some serious oversight, especially in metropolitan areas
@Natural Sarcasm , Yes there are some that want a total disband of police. Most that want to "defund" are not asking for this. Thats a silly approach.
Yes the Finnish system would not work her 100%. But I dont see why taking our police and splitting them up into more departments wouldn't be a vast improvement. Many of the calls police respond to doent require an armed response.
My car got stolen, I dont need an armed cop to take my statement and gather evidence.
Accident on the road, we don't need 10 armed cops standing around circle jerking, when 10 unarmed would do the jerk just as well.
In most places beat cops on standard traffic duty dont need to be armed.
Taking that money thats used on arming / training those officers and putting it towards more passive tactic training or social programs would do wonders to limit death by cop.
@Thanatoz, not that I don’t believe you but do you have any evidence to support this? I’m not a cop or have experienced an abuse in the police force so looking at articles and evidence is all I have for an outside prospective outside opinions
@Natural Sarcasm , Evidence to support what exactly?
Some of what I said is simply personal opinion.
I dont see the need for an armed response to a non violent call. Stolen car, break-in (after the fact), accidents, routine traffic stops, noise complaints, traffic control, first response to fires, shop lifting, things like this.
Im in no way saying all cops are bad. But i do believe our police force in the US is part of a broken system and yes there plenty of evidence to support that. A simple Google search will show you the escalation of police using violence as the first response escalating over the years.
I've also personally witnessed racial injustice with the police. I have black friends that literally feel the need to put all their documentation in their visor everytime they get in their car just in case they are pulled over.
@Thanatoz, I’m not saying the system is perfect but just by observation the amount of force used by police has decreased significantly with technology. With camera all around abuse is more clear cut then ever before. And as far as armed police, well that’s how you deal with escalating situations. While it’s not the norm if an unarmed officer pulls someone over who then pulls out a gun what then? It’s hard to rationalize this with the second amendment
@Natural Sarcasm , John Oliver did a phenomenal job on his recent Last Week Tonight episode discussing what it means to defund the police. Similar to what @Ultimatum said, it’s more easing back what police are responsible for because they are increasingly being asked to do more than they should have to. It was a really informative 30 minute segment if you have the time. It’s on YouTube.
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Id disagree with most of that. I've personally seen the escalation of police violence over the years and have seen numbers that corroborate that.
Yes with cameras all around their abuse is caught more, but the police are a fraternity that by in large has proven themselves to me more interested in covering for one another than holding their organization accountable.
As for a cop that pulls up on a traffic stop, if the driver wants them dead, unfortunately they're dead before they know the driver is armed. Ive personally know 2 officer's this has happened to.
As for the 2nd amendment our society puts WAY to much stock on what 55 wealthy white men from 200 years ago has to say.
Yes most of the constitution and ammendments are great, some desperately need updated. The 2nd being the biggest. This is the whole point being able to "amend" it.
It has been proven time and again by other countries that limiting or eliminating guns drastically decrease violent crime and crime related death.
Hey you, No lolly gagging around the comments.
You know, thats not a bad idea. I could see someone developing a successful private security service in this situation if they're smart, even if it just starts as one person standing guard somewhere with a gun to deter looters.
Big criminal organizations waiting around the corner with bribe money sounding good to cops now with all the defunding