Not trying to start anything, but there are many different kinds of feminism
@Pool boy till I die, yep just like there are different kinds of cancer
@Pool boy till I die, I'm an erratic feminist. I'm a feminist who enjoys ears and attics.
@Pool boy till I die, Yes, but unfortunately the term has been hijacked by the radical left and has now come to mean the abhorrent perversion that most associate with it. It's now just another label that someone can affix to themselves and claim to be a victim. The sad thing is, there are true victims of assault that are most likely falling through the cracks because of this girl-who-cried-wolf mentality that is starting to set in.
@Pool boy till I die, and all of the modern ones are terrible. If you really believe in equality of opportunity, then look towards egalitarian.
@Pool boy till I die, are you trying to start something, bud.
@Pool boy till I die, I identify as a feminist even if the word has been hijacked. Feminazis make me sick just like any other rational person. But I don't feel comfortable saying I don't need feminism just like I wouldn't say "I don't need equality." Cause that's all it is to me. Feminism is having equal rights and paying for my portion of dinner on a date. It's expecting fair paternal rights while also dismantling the idea that all women are meant for motherhood. It IS possible to dislike gender norms and still fully respect the opposite sex. People say modern feminism is bad, but people have ALWAYS thought feminism was man-hating. I can't change everyone's mind on it, but you won't catch me bashing men or demanding special treatment in any way for being a woman. And that's the best way I can think of to show what feminism should look like.
@Nyxa, wish this entire community could see these comments, but they'd probably just ignore them anyway. They act like feminism is some political party and if you identify as a feminist, you support whatever the radical feminists stand for. That's not how feminism works. Glad to see there are people like you and some others here that have some sense!
@SimonPetrikov, that was the most beautiful thing I have read in a long time.
@Nyxa, why not use the term egalitarianism then? At the end of the day women and men are largely legally and socially equal on the whole. We have inequalities here and there, but for every slight against women I can think of a similarly egregious one towards men (with exception to the current healthcare bill which is just plain ridiculous).
Feminism has always been about achieving equality through the uplifting of women, and while that premise doesn't require men-hating, it is grotesquely flawed if the goal is true equality. No one in the feminist movement is actually pushing for getting women in the draft, increasing prison time for women, or making more fair child custody battles outside of token words. MRA's are similarly short-sighted. We have to work together to achieve equality through a movement that actually means it.
@Nyxa, plus the vast majority of the feminist movement isn't doing much for actual women in need like in the third world and many (most, not all) Muslim majority countries. FGM is even becoming an issue here in the U.S. And most feminists I know are still crying over manspreading/splaining, cat calling, that women need more money when on welfare, etc. The movement has outlived its usefulness in the first world and it really is time we stop focusing on women and focus on both and actively try and fix the inequalities for both sexes
@capu57, you sir just took 33 (at this time) downvotes for one of the best comments I've ever read. You go glen coco! Fight the establishment!
@orion55, thank you now I'm not sure if I should be happier for the current 45 up votes or the 33 down vote
@Pool boy till I die, STOP OPPRESSING ME
@Sven and Otar, feminism has not outlived its usefulness in the first world. Absolutely not. I am glad that you seem to live in a modern community that has truly embraced equality of the sexes. But for significant parts of the U.S., this is not true. Girls are still raised to be pretty and accommodating. Boys are raised to be competitive and assertive. These children, and those that raise them, still need feminism. And I prefer to call it feminism and not egalitarianism because these girls need to feel empowered.
@Sven and Otar, I see feminism as a branch of the tree that is egalitarianism. Which I won't use that word instead cause I find it uses too many syllables :p but really I am about reclaiming what feminism is. However, it was actual feminist groups that pushed for employing women in combat zones, having women sign up for the draft, and feminist groups often lead efforts for paternal rights. The thing is that true feminist groups don't have to call themselves feminists groups, cause it is implied through action. :) I respect your opinion though. ^^
@Pool boy till I die, I think she means 3rd wave or modern feminism
@Nyxa, my issue is that it's groups that claim the title feminist rarely do such things which is why the name has no relevant meaning.
Now allowing women to voluntarily join combat arms is one thing, because they can choose to do so, but no feminist organization I've seen has made a push for the draft, where women would be forced to join combat arms against their desire should the country need more troops. Not one that has actually made any more efforts outside of token words to parental rights for men. No feminist organization is fighting for male victims of domestic abuse by establishing shelters for them (there are less than a dozen male specific shelters, and the vast majority of shelters not explicitly for women will refuse entry to men). Frankly if their goal is true equality, those bearing the title are severely failing and sullying the name to the point that we really should leave that phrase in the dustbin of history and focus on ending equalities for both with egalitarianism
@Sven and Otar, Feminist groups such as WOW have been applying pressure on government to have women be required to sign up for draft. And you're entirely wrong about paternal rights, off the top of my head I know that FRAs, a specialized feminist group directed at father's rights, has been doing just that. As for domestic abuse victims, I do know more shelters out to be equipped to offer asylum to male victims, but men are such a proportionately small percentage of victims that to split the resources 50/50 between the sexes would do more harm than good. But yes, we do need to get better about taking care of male victims. I think we simply will disagree on what a feminist group is and does. Like I said before, feminist groups often go without the label of "feminist" so it wouldn't be obvious.
@Nyxa, I don't know where you're getting your stats from, but men are statistically domestically abused at nearly 80% the rate women are. Not only that, women are far more likely to kill their domestic partner in abuse than men because they're more inclined to compensate for their weaker physical strength with lethal weapons. I highly recommend you watch the Red Pill documentary. I'm not blind to some of the bias in how they portray feminists in it, however the statistics they bring up are undeniably solid. They called several shelters all across America and only a few dozen ever replied.
As for my definition of a feminist group, it is a group run by self-proclaimed feminists with the stated goals of achieving equality of the sexes, defending women's rights, or advocating for women on certain issues.
@Sven and Otar, I mean, if the FBI statistics aren't good enough for you as a source than I don't know what to tell you. But you watched a documentary online, so you must know better.
@capu57, BOTH!! When you trigger a feminist you win! It's great to be men!
*sighs* *puts on blindfold and stands in front of firing squad*
"This isn't what feminism is about."
*takes one last drag from a cigarette*
@Nyxa, thats actually nothing like what feminism represents. feminism just doesnt like the double standard. its there for men too. they dont demonize homemakers, they just think that if you want to do something else that ought be promoted. id argue that if the people who spew all of this "anti feminism" rhetoric took the time to look up what its about instead of getting their definition from memes, they'd find that it describes them as feminists as well
@Hoban Washburne, I don't think that is where the confusion is. I think most people know that is what feminism is but you cannot deny that there is a vocal minority in the feminist movement that sound more oppressing than oppressed themselves. There is nothing wrong with feminism, but it's those few who make it less about equality and more about domination that makes it easy for people on the internet to try to make the entire group look bad.
Trust me, I took a full 2 weeks of a women's gender study's class in college before I dropped it. Also, I am a man which means I automatically know what I am talking about.
@a full hole, I straight up cackled at your last statement thank you for that. lol And I agree, it only takes a few crazy apples to make the whole tree looks bad.
@Nyxa, seriously thank you for taking the time to explain your view in a clear and sensible and also good-natured way. I agree with everything you're saying, and I normally have trouble putting it into words in such a straightforward way that doesn't allow people to ignore your argument and just pick at the way you said it, so really--thanks. Kudos.
wife her up
I don't feel like the bottom image suits the upper one at all...
What about the people who don't give an everliving shjt about "traditional family constructs" ?
@ManGoToHell, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just don't force it on anyone else and we'll all be just fine.
@big freedom, I agree
Shjt I accidentally downvoted. Want you all to know that this is one of the best things I've seen all year.
@The beard of God, just click upvote
Third one shows this chick never lived in a city. I'm a dude and I've seen creepy as sin catcallers.
Feminism and feminazis are not the same thing. By feminazis standards I'm not a good feminist, cause I like characters like Bayonetta and other sexy females. They are grating as hell.
Damn, here please take my upvote, kind madam.
I'm not a feminist. I'm a traditionalist. But if you're catcalling women on the street, you're a douche.