I don't remember what I was doing at 16 but I shouldn't have been voting.
@Nekozombie, the only things I did that was different was going to school and not working full time. As well as not having to wear a mask everyday.
I also loved wearing jeans in the middle of summer and biked a lot. I also couldn’t drive.
But I’m still the same massive weeaboo trash nerd I was back then.
@The Pun Shielder, bike? jeans? summer?
That right there is not a good combination
@seeUpee, especially in Florida summer. But I was young and fvcking stupid.
@The Pun Shielder, Stupid sounds like a lucky zee
at 16 i was drinking straight vodka at 6:25 am at least twice a week i definitely should not have been allowed to vote
@liviwintergirl, I was mentally unstable at 16. I didn’t even know what voting was! I shutter to think at some of the degenerates who would vote at 16
At 16 I used to make my friends laugh during lunch time in the cafeteria just to see milk come out of their nose
Yeah no i was fvcking retarded at 16.
@GunLovingMerican, so was everyone else, myself included
@GunLovingMerican, I'm fvcking retarded now, and I'm 26!
@Sharts Galore , heeeey me too!
@GunLovingMerican, we should start a professional retards club together for I, too, am quite the retard
@Prince super Vegeta , ha im in!
When I was 16, snorted a pixie stick.
If you pay taxes you should get to vote, full stop. We started the American Revolution over this.
@No Lollygagging, would that still be applicable after the removal of income and property taxes? Cause at the rate things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if I lived to see another revolution and I’m pretty sure those would be one of the first things to go.
But yes, we do need something more restrictive than a minimum age and citizenship (and that’s a stretch too) in order to vote.
@Toxia, we saw a failed attempt at revolution in January already.
Anyhow, once a governing body decides that voting can be taken away and restrictions placed on who can vote, that sets a precedent for the governing body to change those restrictions to suit whoever is in power, or eliminate the voting rights of certain groups altogether.
There must be no restrictions whatsoever. Everyone 18 and above who is a citizen needs to be allowed to vote and needs time or a proper method to do it. I would even argue against my own point in the other comment thread to say that the age should stay at 18, because even if 16 year olds are becoming more politically literate, that just means they have another 2 years to learn and grow and develop those beliefs and activities and become stronger in them. Let them participate in the process through activism and fundraising and such until then.
@Scottiec93, that wasn’t an attempt at revolution. That was either a bunch of stupid people making a scene or a group of people trying to make the other side look bad.
You honestly expect me to believe that the side that owns the majority of guns in America would try and overthrow the capital with hardly any showing up with a single firearm? No, that wasn’t anything.
@Toxia, if an angry mob of people breaking into federal property, threatening elected officials, chanting "hang Mike Pence," and killing Capitol police looks like nothing to you, I'd hate to see what you consider to be actually dangerous.
@Scottiec93, oh, g, I don't know, how about actually showing up with weapons, actually harming or killing anyone (the only people who died were one who was killed by a police officer and three who died of medical issues), or actually causing any sort of widespread major property damage. You know, kind of like what Burn Loot Murder and Antifa did for half a year straight.
@Captain Swordsman, and the hot take from Tucker Carlson just showed up, glad to see you here.
Good to see that old peach of an opinion is still rolling around. Nevermind that the worldwide civil unrest caused by the ability of police officers to freely murder whoever they feel like it with no consequences and for no reason isn't equivalent to a mob of people trying to stop and overturn a free and fair election and murder elected officials. You know, insurrection and treason.
Nevermind over 95% of BLM protests were nonviolent right up until protesters had to defend themselves from police using overwhelming and unnecessary force with no provocation. Nevermind that the looters and rioters were opportunists from other cities, not affiliated with the BLM movement.
But sure, despite all evidence, the true danger to this country are the people concerned with police brutality and not the people who actually attempted a coup. Gotcha
@Scottiec93, nevermind that none of what you just said is true. Never mind that more white people are killed unarmed by police than black people. Never mind that I don't watch Tucker Carlson. You're just gonna regurgitate the same old same old Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo shjt until the end of time because your mind is made up.
@Scottiec93, you mean the cop who died of an unrelated heart attack? Yeah, they sound really dangerous
@Captain Swordsman, bruh, is that supposed to make it better? You do realize that makes it worse, right? The issue that cops can just kill people for any reason with no consequences is kind of a big deal and you're not making the point you think you're making.
@Scottiec93, except that's not true and it happens roughly nine times to black people per year of which cases all of them end up actually getting punished for it. my point is that the things you're saying just aren't true. They're not true. They're not true. They are not true. They will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be true. And when people like you and people that you're sympathetic to burn down entire cities over something that was never ever ever ever ever true or going to be true in the first place, I think you might see why people get a little mad at you.
@Captain Swordsman, fatalencounters.org
@Ultimatum, this is actually a very interesting and useful resource that will aid me in my research and arguments. Thanks for letting me know about this
@Captain Swordsman, no problem, just so long as you don’t say “it happens roughly nine times to black people per year of which cases all of them end up actually getting punished for it” again, because now you have no excuse
@Ultimatum, this website will likely help me prove that claim, actually. Looking for "black/African American, male, January 1st 2019 through December 31st 2019" turned up a grand total of 397 results. unfortunately the second search of intended use of force and cause of death isn't cross-compatible with the first search so I'll have to look through those 397 to see how many of them were actually shot by the police while unarmed. I imagine this number is going to be somewhere close to 9 given the other research and information I've gathered. so yeah, I no longer have an excuse for saying that, I now have a resource for saying that.
@Scottiec93, all of what you said was pure bs. I suggest you watch Trumps "impeachment" defense. His lawyers very clearly debunked every single thing you said. They also proved how half of what you said was straight up fabricated evidence. And though the liberal media won't advertise it, the Democrats admitted to faking the evidence. If you watch with an open mind and honestly search for the truth you'll realize all those points you made were lies and you've been tricked by the media.
@spongeblade, lol trumps legal team was drinking the whole time and couldn't give a decent argument if it hit them on. The head. The jury was already decided before it began.nits nice having more friends on the jury than people that will actually listen to evidence and accept reality than just go. Well if I don't say he didn't do anything wrong I might lose votes. What jokes they are
@Scottiec93, ok so a few things, one being that the incident at the capitol was not an attempt at revolution, it started as a protest that some jackasses took to far, exactly the same as blm protests but not as wide spread. Second, I would love to see your sources for cops killing black people for no reason and getting away with it en mass(there are probably a few that slipped through the cracks as that does happen and it sucks, but it does not make an epidemic). Most of the "unarmed" killings still had some way to cause gracious bodily harm( screwdriver,Jack handle, ect.) or where in the process of assault or did something to make the officer think they where armed (taking shooters stance, reaching for something in waistband quickly, pointing something at people that can be mistaken as a gun) none of this makes most news outlets.
@Scottiec93, if you want to see some more on some of the police incidents check out donut operator, he does another of bodycam footage breakdowns, and while he is pro police, and he used to be one, he still calls out things when they are done wrong,I figure it helps to have the opinion of someone who has been in the same line of work before as to why some things are done the way they are.
@No Lollygagging, i have a solution, omit 16 year olds from federal taxes. Not like they would make enough money to pay much anyway, and no voting. Easy win!
Because i see what youre saying and i kinda agree, if i gotta pay taxes then I'm getting my say
@Medic135, I think that's a perfect solution. I personally think we're way too wishy-washy about what it means to be an adult, it should either be you are and you have all the privileges and burdens of being an adult, or you are not and do not.
@No Lollygagging, bingo
@Scottiec93, who killed David Dorn?
@Captain Swordsman, Actually, funnily enough, the Washington Post has a database of the various fatal police shootings using pretty robust data. Weird I know, but hear me out. In 2019, sorted by Black and Unarmed returned exactly 12 results, 6 of which were reported as fleeing the scene. Just Black returned 249, so that would be about 4% of the Black deaths would be unarmed. Of all the fatal police shootings in 2019, black and unarmed accounts for about 1.2%. Based on CDC data, approximately 450,000 Blacks died from all causes in 2019. Which gets you about .0027% of all deaths of black individuals were from being shot while unarmed by a police officer in 2019. Not exactly the epidemic we’re being led to believe exists.
Disclaimer: they did release an updated version which includes data from 2015 to present. I selected the data from 2019 as all the numbers were readily available and I didn’t feel digging that hard to get all the exact numbers for every year only to get similar results
I despise Nancy Pelosi
@I Are Lebo, who doesn't? Heck who doesn't despise all of Congress?
We need less people voting, not more. Kanye West got 66k votes and these mfers want less restrictions, not more.
@Jolee Bindo, can we go back to having to own property in order to vote? Cause I’m willing to lose my ability to vote for a little while if it means that only people who are responsible enough to have their own property can vote.
@Jolee Bindo, How ever many restrictions must be lifted to get Kanye to 69K, then yes. Lift them
@Jolee Bindo, I would have voted Kanye over Biden, and that’s not something I ever thought I would ever say....
If anything I'd say voting should be changed to be 21 years of age and you have to have be paying taxes. The original reason for lowering the voting age was because you can be 18 to join the military. I dont mind that argument so I'd add an exemption for anybody that actually joins the military. The original restrictions on the voting rights more or less limited it to one vote per household when you compare the restrictions to the social structures of the time. It was also designed to be limited to those who have a stake in the results of the vote get to vote. To be clear im all for many of the expansions of voting rights, but I do think limiting it to people who have a stake (like paying taces) makes for a more educated electorate. It also would help put a stronger focus on the issues vs a popularity contest of who can throw the most dirt.
Helped get a 16yo into dnd with a bunch of veterans. Edge tastick, CN Rogue.
The Druids saw a bear in a forest and decided to go over and befriend at to ask it some questions. The Rogue followed.
The bear turned out to be a zombie bear, Nat 20 hit the druid, massive damage but saved the System Shock for massive damage. Rogue goes next. Flanks to backstab. Near min damage.
Later he argued he was saving the druid if he killed the bear.
In a CN way, we agree, but he was acting like what he did was noble. Like he should be praised for helping her.
He never knew what heroism was. So we had a talk on the drive home. That if he was able to put himself in the way of the bear, foregoing his sneak attack potential. Then that would be here with heroism.
He barely understood.
The kid knew efficiency and the goal. But wanted it be considered a hero for monetary purposes.
To him, the ends justify the means, and he should get rewarded for it.
"If i can't get my way under the current rules, I'll change all the rules!"
And then demand they be changed back in 2 years when its no longer in my favor
If we can put 16 years old on trail as adults, like the 2 teens who murdered the Uber driver in DC, we can also let them vote... it’s contradictory: they are too dumb to vote; but intelligent/ self aware to be held to the standards of an adult. (& in lots of states, you can get married at 16,,, but you know;; to dumb to vote, smart enough for marriage) It reminds me of that judge that said, the 11 year old raepe victim is to young to get an abortion & doesn’t understand the consequences.... so she must have the baby... ok”
@Monter408, they should have a basic idea of morality or the consequences of murdering someone. They will literally have zero idea/info on advanced political argumentation or physical policy. And let's put it bluntly schools are churning these kids out illiterate. There was a school in Baltimore here recently 120 kids to a class A kid was being held back cause he missed 150~days and had a GPA of 0.13. He ranked 64 out of the 120+class mates.
They have zero world experience, or depth of consequences in political ramifications. Democrats are just wanting to do this now because they have an iron grip over both the schools and pop culture.
@That one lurker, well that's just patently false. Every single study of the last decade has come to the conclusion that younger people are becoming more and more educated and active in politics because there's a growing generational distrust of institutions and their elected officials. The general consensus is that old people can't effectively legislate for the future because they won't be alive to see it, so young people need to be represented more because they're actually going to legislate things that will improve their own lives in the future as well as for those who come after.
It's not surprising that's the idea because it's become entirely apparent that the old coots in charge ram through legislation that only keeps them in power and makes them richer. Part of keeping themselves in power is limiting the number of people who can vote, which is an objectively corrupt and unconstitutional thing to do. But that's just been the Republican playbook lately.
@Scottiec93, you do realize that less people voting isn’t unconstitutional right? America started with people specifically needing to own land in order to vote. 16 year olds are stupid and easily manipulated, I want people voting who can think for themselves. As for the rest of the corruption in the government, that’s only going to get fixed through revolution at this point as far as I can tell.
@Toxia, America also started with no women voters and no non-white voters. Restricting voting became unconstitutional when the amendments were made to allow those people groups to vote. Using "the way America started" as an argument for literally anything other than discussing the time period that America began in is a stupid argument because the country as it is today is not the same as the country was when it was founded. And the founding fathers took that growth and development into account by allowing the constitution to be modified through amendments, because they knew they couldn't foresee everything the country would encounter in the future and wanted the document to live and breathe and adapt. So yes, restricting the vote is unconstitutional.
Also, as I said, young people are becoming more politically literate. Should they vote? I don't know, that's a debate worth having. But saying "nah they're too stupid" and shutting it down there is not the correct thing to do.
@Scottiec93, allowing women and non whites to vote isn’t the same as not letting someone without a job vote. There need to be restrictions, I don’t want some random kid who’s never worked a day in there life to have equal say as someone who actually has to deal with things like taxes.
@Toxia, oh man, what's it like living in such a rich area of the country that people don't have to work? I mean, I assume you live in a place like that if you think teenagers don't have jobs and pay taxes. Must be nice.
No, my man, you're absolutely wrong. Voting rights are the single most important freedom we have in this country and they should never be tampered with. I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, the right to be heard by our government is the most important thing because that enables us to inform our elected officials of all other opinions we as a country have on any policy, period. Deciding who can and can't vote based on arbitrary criteria is taking voices and rights away from Americans, no matter what.
@Toxia, and another thing. Going by what you're saying, you think that the record number of people who lost their jobs last year due to unforeseen circumstances that nobody could have prepared for deserved to also lose their right to vote? You're saying that if someone loses their job and therefore is unemployed for any reason, they should no longer have the ability to make their voice heard in local and national elections? What a horrible opinion, my dude.
@Scottiec93, "Every single study of the last decade has come to the conclusion that younger people are becoming more educated and active in politics..."
That? Is a bull faced lie. Nice of you to make a claim with no sources 👌. https://www.galvnews.com/opinion/guest_columns/article_5657c620-59d9-52fe-ae8c-c9bc96bc8c11.html
When in actual fact the average iq in the U.S is tanking and illiteracy is at an all time record high. People, especially really young people, are getting dumber every year. The U.S has the lowest testing scores in every category, in every conceivable measurement out of any other 1st world country. And hell quite a number of shiite 3rd world countries to boot.
And you want to give these idiots the right to vote? Considering lobbyists for big corporations and political players can just buy/manipulate/monopolize the candidates in the first place? No. Thank. You. The U.S has enough problems as it is. (TBC)
I actually think we should wipe the board clean and make everything illegal until the age of 21. The joke you can die and vote for your country, and go thousands of dollars in debt at age 18 but can't drink? Yea. B.S. Based solely on human biology alone people should not really be considered fully mentally developed adults until their 20's. 16-18 year old kids are dumb as hell. Yea sure their are outliers. So what? You don't make laws around outliers. You make exceptions.
Granting moronic, gullible children the right to vote would be akin to giving a toddler a gun. A stupid idea. Ffs did you see the study about dihydrogen monoxide given to fing college students? And you want these morons to vote?
I say you should be 21+, a legal citizen, and be able to pass a basic literacy test. No exceptions.
@LaDarkProphet, I agree with most of what you said except if you have a literacy test you need to make it free and have people get a holiday for it. Because otherwise it just becomes a deterrent for poor people who can't afford to take the test or miss work. Same thing with voter ID. Having an ID requirement is fine but only if you make it free
@jouze, Absolutely. Have it take like a week or two with the last weekend being a holiday or something. And voting should always be free. The idea of having to pay to vote just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@That one lurker, well worded
That’s the point of their logic.. you have to be fkn retarded to vote for more control. They have great theoretical ideas, except the only place they work is fairytale land.
So they murdered a lobster. Alrighty then.
@Nurse Joy, it’s fine as long as they eat it right after. I mean, is it worse than boiling them alive?
@Raki Zaki, is burning alive vs struggling to breathe and suffocating better? Seems the pot would be quicker.
@Nurse Joy, Actually lobsters are very interesting crustaceans and can live up to 48 hours comfortably on dry land so long as their gills remain slightly wet. Apparently you can even toss them into a fridge and the cold will make them go into a torpor like state. Crustaceans are weird man.
I don’t care if 16 year olds vote, but I don’t think elderly people should get to vote. You don’t get to order for next table right before you leave the restaurant!
Well I can tell from seeing comments on post like these. Where the political swing is heading. No wonder some good people have left the app.
This is fine if we take away voting drom.people who will be dead in 4 years
Human brains aren’t fully developed until we are 25-27 years old. I’d draw the line there. I’ve also lived in NYC, the mountains, and now near the farms of Ohio. I have a son. I’ve been homeless, and I’m now wealthy. I am black and have experienced racism from other black people and not white people. I have had 0 jobs at once, and 3 jobs at once. I’ve been on both ends of the political scheme. I think now at 26 years old I am fully ready to be a wise voter. Any sooner, and I was a full-retard. I think restrictions should be more, because then we are more free. The youth make for great governmental puppets.
How about we lower the age to hold office to the voting age instead
(Pounds podium with fist) “If I am elected I promise every citizen gets 3 Free Lovsters and one Leash.”
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In 2016, you had 18 year olds voting for a dead gorilla they didn't even know existed until some moron let their three year old climb into his enclosure... and they needed "safe spaces" on college campuses when a tangerine tinted buffoon beat out a carpetbagger c*nt in the election.
But yeah, lower the voting age. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?! 😑
This country is fvcked.. i vote we create usa 2 and fight against usa 1... anyone with me? No need to be......
So suddenly promises to put soda machines in the lunch room become legit political strategies?...
“Video games cause violence.”
You all are going to look so stupid when you find out the "Florida Man" can vote. Trust me stupidity for most stays with age to some extent
The only reason people are even having a conversation that 16-year-olds should vote is because 16-year-olds are taxed just like any other worker. The issue is “taxation without representation”, a 16-year-old doesn’t have the voice to have that representation, and instead of saying 16-year-olds shouldn’t be taxed (cuz god forbid), lowering the voting age is another solution
All you have to do is look at who is trying to get this passed, and those who are against it. It’s really that simple.
So the 16 year olds can pretend like they're vote matters too?
All you guys talking about all the stupid stuff you did at 16, but by looking at the failed coup in the capital, I'd say MOST people shouldn't be voting, everyone is an idiot.
And it's important to have the freedom to do that
To be fair, kids are still idiots at 18, they don't get any smarter. Also to be fair, full grown adults are fücking idiots as well. Not much changing here
Because people definitely don't do this kind of stuff well into their 20s
So, folks from Florida shouldn't vote either? I mean, walking a lobster on a leash is pretty tame for FL.
Yeah... I think that the youth voice can be really valuable... but not at the polls. Yes there are dumb 16y/o and yes there are smart and involved ones. The same could be said about people in their 20’s, 40’s, 50’s... I mean... not the 30’s but the other groups for sure.
Anyway, it’s a valuable perspective but they are missing experience.