Bee Keepers have the right to not wear protective gear.
You dare oppose the anti mask society with logic?
@whatthefrank, I may not be in the know. Are we using the word anti, as with anti-vaxer, or as anti-science?
I'm only asking since I'm not on Facebook and hold my own view on not wearing a mask all the time.
I could explain my question if needed.
@whatthefrank, “but it’s taking away my freedom!” Yes on a basic level this is taking away your right to go out without a mask. But science has proven (and other countries have shown) that if everyone wears a mask, and we take this seriously for a few months people can get back to work, and we can save a lot of peoples parents and grandparents. 137k Americans have died from this, people need to start thinking of it as like 42 9/11’s, wear a mask for your country, and your countrymen. Also, on the freedom note, living in a society means giving up some freedoms for the protection and security that society can provide. But you don’t hear drunk drivers arguing that they’re liberties are being taken away when they’re hauled off for killing some family in a car wreck (anymore I’m sure people said that when those laws were first introduced) Also I’d like to point out there was a time when people were anti-seat belt, and I think theres a pretty clear parallel there.
@Spetsnaz , seatbelts are law, voted on and signed by a governor. Drinking and driving is law, same process. Forced wearing of a mask is not law. But somehow has penalties including jail... it’s 100% not American and has not followed due process...
@Spetsnaz , America and their “United We Stand” until you have to wear a mask
@obtuse gopher, masks are law in many parts of the country, and even where they arent, they protect others and save lives. Seatbelts weren’t required by law when they were introduced, but they saved lives, people knew drinking made you worse at driving before that was a law, and guess what, not drinking and driving saved lives. My guess if even if it wasn’t a law you would still be against it, because the slightest inconvenience to you, regardless of how much it could help others, is somehow a violation of your civil liberties. There was a time where buying too much gas would land you in jail in the US, during WWII rationing. Is that anti American? No because part of what made the US so powerful is we came together and did what was necessary without so much whining about how it was an inconvenience. We’re in a part of time that history will look back on, and it won’t look on anti mask people well. They might not have pulled a trigger but that ignorance will and has killed people.
@obtuse gopher, there's also the fact that people who own businesses have the right to deny service to whoever they want. Either Home Depot or Lowes (i forget which) is around nation wide and has a forced mask policy even in states where it's not required because of the CEO. Not to mention it shows how crazy anti-maskers are with they video floating around about a week ago that showed a women assaulting a teenage girl at Starbucks for not serving coffee until she wore a mask
@obtuse gopher, in many parts of the country masks are actually illegal. The KKK was a big reason for passing those laws actually. But the laws implemented for mask wearing are impossible to enforce and have no teeth. They are symbolic mandates by governors and mayors. They will fall apart when challenged in a court system.
The real thing that fvcks the country is business shutdowns. But businesses won't be shutdown if we can all behave. Reduce unnecessary gatherings and wear masks.
All I want is people to not die because there weren't enough beds or ventilators. We have to operate in a way that infections don't out pace resources. Wearing a mask is a trivial inconvenience compared to unemployment, losing a business, being on another lockdown, or dying because there weren't enough ventilators. Wear a mask if your able outside of your home and especially around strangers.
@Spetsnaz , your argumentation would have had much more bite if we didn't just have a month-long riot.
Contrasting the coverage of the Labor Day protests to Gorge Floyd's continued protests, this is not being taken seriously by our media.
This is not a point of rally for our nation because it is an obvious farce.
Before a person misconstrues, the disease is real, the panic is manufactured, and you can thank the riots.
@That one lurker, Yeah...the riots are obviously the main cause for the upsurges in cases. Couldn’t at all be the large groups of anti-maskers assembling to protest or events like the one held by our “president” on the 4th...
@Totally Not The NSA,
First, what anti-masker protest? What would they be protesting? Do you have any evidence of them protesting what you say they are? If so how is it connected to them being anti-masks?
Secound, the spikes happened well before any of the rallies. It was the actually the point of contention for either rally.
@obtuse gopher, you're not forced to wear a mask, but your community has a right to ban you from their public spaces if you choose not to. Look up Jacobson vs. Massachusetts it's the 1905 Supreme Court ruling saying that Jacobson's choice to not vaccinate against smallpox didn't trump his town's right to be safe. Stores are on private property and they have the right to refuse service to anyone.
@That one lurker, yes there has been transmission of the virus due to the protests. However, those numbers are nothing compared to the worst places of transmission, which is bars and restaurants. These are places where people gather in a closed space and remove their masks
@Wankershim, I'm glad that we're getting a lot of exercise, moving the goalpost further into absurdity.
To you, are bars and restaurants anti-mask protest?
And have you went to a restaurant lately?
I live in Arkansas, last I checked we rank 45 in public schooling. We cut capacity to a 1/4 and set one to two tables from one another. Only able to take our mask off once drinks come.
If we can't handle this basic @ss human contact, then how's a protest, where you're shoulder to shoulder with people, going to work?
@obtuse gopher, spreading disease is against the law. If not spreading a disease required wearing a mask too bad.
For fvcks sake people, wear a god damn mask. It's not some government conspiracy to see how easily you follow orders, it actually helps protect yourself and others. It's basic medical knowledge. Stop being arrogant.
@TheSecretSavage, I agree but masks hardly even help. Especially if they aren't the N95s...It should really be up to the individual to wear a mask. They really aren't putting anyone at risk. Remember, someone has to make a decision to go outside during a pandemic in the first place where, whether you have a mask or not, you can get sick. People need to stop blaming anti-maskers when if you don't want to get sick, stay the fvck home. Im not an anti-masker either. It just gets annoying seeing people attacking each other over something that many of the same people were calling useless only a few months ago. Source: https://youtu.be/bKvwwZG2BZ8
@owanobi, watched video. Like many other videos it used information dispersed at the beginning of the outbreak (the US was still under 100 cases) and accused people of "changing their stance like the weather."
This is a "novel" virus which we did not have data on before. More data was collected. Recommendations change with new data. People in medicine see this all the time. The best, most profound example i can give is dopamine vs norepinephrine (brand name Levophed) for shock. We even had an expression "Give Levophed, leave 'em dead". My time in practice this has changed. We use Levophed first line now - they're pretty balanced in this setting but Levophed caused fewer adverse events. The standard of care changed based on a large comprehensive study.
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, your example shows actual scientific development. That individual in the video was only saying that at the time to get political/social media brownie points. Once that political point can no longer be juiced, it flips and now the exact opposite is true.
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, Sars-CoV2 travels on respiratory droplets and is measured in micrometers. The virus is measured in nanometers.
Initially the virus wasn't widespread enough for everyone to consume the masks that healthcare providers needed. I remember at our hospital some of the staff were caught stealing N95 masks. The CDC did not recommend widespread mask use in February because the virus also wasn't widespread.
The virus is mostly spread by respiratory droplets which are stopped by masks or cloth coverings. However we're still trying understanding how it spreads. There is some data that suggests it can spread in the air. Masks may slow its spread this way but can't stop something as small as nanometers across.
@owanobi, the video showed only one doctor with an opinion that changed with time and data. It's a weak example to support your point that masks hardly help.
The burden is on people who state that masks don't work because the experts and officials that have been elected by us say that we should. This recommendation isn't a heavy lift... wear a mask outside to slow spread of infection. it's done in many other settings for the same reason (e.g. a surgeon performing surgery).
Providing a YouTube video that criticizes someone's social media post for their changing opinion is the weakest "evidence" that can be provided.
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, That video was not to prove my point about the masks. Im not really trying to prove that point honestly, I have just seen some statistics personally and im not sure if they were true or not. The video is to point out the hypocrisy the twitter checkmarks have where one minute they are attacking people who wear masks, then they switch to attacking people who don't wear masks now.
@TheSecretSavage, not that a don't wear a mask but ur so wrong about the "power" of the mask. They only protect people around you like 70% of the time and they don't protect you
@TheSecretSavage, you run into anyone who says ‘muh rights’ they’re likely stupid, and can therefore likely be convinced that the masks will prevent facial recognition spy cameras planted by the government from recognizing them, therefore the masks protect their right to privacy.
@TheSecretSavage, actually, there are recent news articles showing how clinics in red states, especially Florida, are reporting 95-100% of people coming through them as new positive cases, which is statistically impossible. They want the number of cases in red states to seem like it is skyrocketing so that the media (aka the liberal democrat party) can blast trump and push to shut down the country again. They need the economy to completely collapse so that they can swoop in and establish their Marxist communist power system. This is the exact same course of events that led to the current situation in Venezuela.
@TheSecretSavage, there's arrogant, then there's stupid. I fully admit I'm arrogant but I still wear a mask in public
@owanobi, University of Cambridge literally proved three years ago that cotton masks can stop dispersion of particles 5x smaller than COVID with 70% accuracy. If you won’t believe CAMBRIDGE who will you believe?
@SchroedingerPussPuss, Agree. Even if the mask allows passage of virus molecules, there is still a barrier to trap some.
If you don't trust the experts that have no political interest... then it's simple... find experts that have political interest for your side. Seems to be what Trump is doing by taking the data out of CDC hands, filtering first then making public. I agree their handling of this has been lackluster but i don't believe they have an agenda (i could be wrong here though). Also I voted for Trump so this has nothing to do with me being a "never Trumper". A true loss of freedom is when you let the party (and political pundits) dictate what is best for you and not vice versa.
@owanobi, okay so, if someone doesn't want to get sick because there's people not wearing masks they should stay home instead of going to work to support their family? They shouldn't leave their home to get essentials like prescriptions and groceries? The "if you don't want to get sick, then stay the F home" logic falls apart real quick sense many many people do NOT have that luxury
@Wankershim, some people don't have that luxury. I certainly don't but im not going to get mad at someone who doesn't wear a mask since for my age, there is less than a 1% chance for me to die, let alone even show symptoms. Most people who are at risk I would imagine are already retired and thus have that luxury. Especially since a lot of shopping.. including pharmacy can be done online or through delivery. I recently had someone rage at my manager at work because we weren't forcing people to wear masks, saying we are putting her and her mother (who was on oxygen mind you) at risk. My store is a department store..if she doesn't want her mother to get sick..then yes stay the fvck home.
@Cloverleaf, lol no, dirt snacker, you'd think China would allow people to wear masks if they could stop facial recognition technology?
They don't care about people's health, they're committing a genocide against the uighur muslims. They bolt their citizens in their house for having a suspected case of covid. They even willingly devalue their own dollar. You I think they care about their people's health of that much that they'd risk not tracking your movement.
Dude, bro, they got the techno. So chill
@Bobaganusche88, ah yes. Poor little trump. Everyone is against him. The media, the doctors, the scientist, the whole world!! is actively conspiring against him. What a logical argument, what a realistic scenario. Everyone is after trump. Everything trump says is right, and if he doesn't like it is fake news.
@That one lurker, I’m talking about US idiots refusing to wear masks. Where did you get I was talking about China?
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, yep. It’s extremely dangerous. I had a BOOMER get on my case telling me I was a horrible teacher if I taught political agendas in my classroom. I replied with,”ma’am. I teach algebra. I do not have TIME to teach politics. I do far more damage. I teach children to THINK for themselves to figure a problem out- not follow like SHEEP.”
@TheSecretSavage, bUt ThE vIRuS iS sMaLlEr ThAn ThE mAsK sO tHe MaSk iS uSeLeSs ReEeeEeEE
@owanobi, look at countries that actually handled the situation. Their people wear masks. It should not be a choice. Either stay home and dont wear a mask or wear a mask in public.
@Implicit88, yes, because you can accurately compare countries that are usually more closed off and have much less population and population density than the US. Also masks do help. They just aren't some magical immunity to the virus people think they are. Especially if people don't use them correctly..which most people don't.
@owanobi, because of our population density in certain areas we should have little c19 activity yet we are seeing spikes well a lot of big cities remain stagnant. Fact is masks help stop droplets in our breath which help spread the virus
@Implicit88, what are you talking about big cities being stagnant..the riots let to a huuuge spike in covid.
To Americans who find the idea of opposing unjust laws patriotic:
Governors mandates about masks and lockdowns have no teeth. They are impossible to enforce and would fall apart when challenged. It's a method of distributing information.
Don't get triggered by them unless it affects your business.
To Americans who don't want to wear a mask because it's uncomfortable:
It's a trivial inconvenience compared to another lockdown, more unemployment, business being shutdown, and people dying. It protects others from you and reduces transmission substantially. Working out in a mask or being outside in a mask on a hot day sucks, but it's better than a financial crisis and overflowing hospitals.
The government can't regulate backyard BBQs and house parties. It will take voluntarism and conversations to convince people to act appropriately and meet the challenge of a pandemic. Please wear a mask.
Wow we are a stupid society to politicize masks and a virus.
I'd be willing to bet that the probability of being killed by bees in this situation is higher than the probability of being killed by corona.
If a business demands mask usage for patronage, use one or go somewhere else (latter advised).
If Govt mandates ubiquitous usage, resist forcefully.
If pedestrian attempts imposition in public/non-private place, defend with maximum prejudice.
The right to choose is individual. Many have died to afford such a right to many more who are willing to continue such a tradition.
@Cave Dweller, exactly
To everyone unwilling to wear masks where they are being requested to be worn: you’re dumber than a box of rocks.
To everyone who thinks we need to keep this farce of mask wearing and social distancing going: you’re dumber than a box of rocks.
Just wear the mask and keep the stupid people happy. And when November comes around, vote the shïtbags in government make stupid decisions out of office. Get rid of the mayors and the governors and the congresspeople that are too stupid to understand what’s going on.
Stupidity in cartoon format is still stupidity. Another broken analogy—Propaganda for children.
No policy proposed to date would/could stop, or even slow, the spread of an infectious disease. None yet are meant to.
This should be pointed out every where, every way, and every single time brainlessness like this appears.
See, now that he has bees attacking him, he'll be much more easy to convince about wearing the mask, so go ahead and force that fvcker over his head and trap the bees in there with his face to make sure the point really got across to him
This is why we’re not going to have a college football season this year. Thanks anti-maskers!
As if there aren’t beekeepers who don’t wear hoods because they’re used to the bees and vice versa?
“No, no not the bees!!!” -Nicolas Cage
I'm against a government mandate, but in order to not have government mandates, people need to act like adults and do the right thing of your own accord.
What's scarier? Wearing a mask when you're around others, or allowing our politicians to use the case increase as a reason to force small business to close again, granting their campaign donors a defacto monopoly?