Dany: "Bend the knee"
Jon: "Oh you'll be Bending more than that tonight"
@Good Guy Satan, are you secretly MACWE + Invalid Chicken + Fons + I shijt you not? Because I get the strange impression that the app's greatest commentators over time feigned their absences so they could take new names and not have the app dominated by one single person, but really they're all the same person
@Limp Stick, *sweats nervously* "I have no idea what you are talking about hahaha! He knows too much; take him out..."
@Good Guy Satan, OH GOSH SATAN IS AFTER ME oh well he seems like a cool dude, I'm down to kick it down in hell and chill with my man Satan
@Limp Stick, We'll have a Hell of a time
Did you know that apparently kneeling is supposed to be a sign of respect but for some stupid reason Americans perceive it as some kind of insult
@eleven, did you know that apparently peaceful political discourse is supposed to be a sign of a healthy society, but for some stupid reason leftists perceive it as some kind of fascism?
@Doctor Krieger, house bill - only the FP commenters who hold rational convos can vote in 2020, who wins?
(You’re in that group krieg)
@Bethere2soon, tell me, what's your idea of a rational convo?
@eleven, because you stand during the national anthem with your hand over your heart. You are taught this as a child in america, not doing that is considered a sign of extreme disrespect.
@eleven, This is the first thing I thought and I thought it was hilarious that a lot of people here in the states are getting so upset about this. Knights kneel out of respect. In fact a lot of people kneeled before kings and queens to show respect. And various other figures. But for some reason it’s disrespectful here in the states only if you do it during the anthem and flag.
But another hypocrisy here is that a lot of people also view the flag as a symbol of American freedom and they are suggesting the players should be punished for not showing respect to a symbol of freedom.
@BlazingBowman, And forcing your citizens to show respect to your countries symbol is a sign of oppression. But a lot of people dont think about this becuase they think its ok to force others to show respect to a symbol of freedom.
Without ever realizing the hypocracy in that statement because its ingrained in their minds that disrespecting that symbol is to be against freedom. (Because they were taught to think this way.)
@Doctor Krieger, leftist protest peacefully all the time. Did you know that a lot of rightists perceive anyone that doesn’t think as they do as anti Americans and tell other to “leave the country and move somewhere else if they don’t like it” while also using racism and anti-Muslim rhetoric to ban people from coming here. (See what I did their grouped a bunch of people together and made them seem like a negative group.)
Truth is both sides of the fence have a$$holes. But people on the extremes can no longer even be considered part of these groups and suggesting these extremes are associated with the milder more middle of the road members of the left and right is wrong and makes the person suggesting it no different than the extremist.
@Seohn, this is one of the best political comments out there
@Bethere2soon, it's kind of strange that you chose to compliment his rational convos when his reply had absolutely nothing to do with what he was replying to haha
Wait is this why people are boycotting the NFL? This picture here?
@Downvote Trash, it's part o f a reason. Basically lots of fans are annoyed that millionaire players have decided to disrespect the national anthem over perceived racial violence by police which mostly doesn't actually exist.
But mostly people watch football to be entertained, and people don't like it when someone brings politics up in their entertainment.
@Oujosh29, I mean it kind of does exist to an extent, it always has, it's just that with the internet and rapid communications we have nowadays, we're able to see more and more of those scenarios. It doesn't make sense to deny it altogether, because clearly there is something happening
@Limp Stick, I don't think so. Out of all the incidents that made national news like 1 of them was legit police illegally shooting a black guy. All the rest were legit and the facts cleared the police, but that doesn't get the media ratings and a lot in the minority communities really do have a victim complex mentality to everything. seriously, even when it's blatantly obvious the cops shooting were justified people like kaepernik whine about it. To be fair, probally the biggest group that believes that are white liberals that have "white guilt".
@Limp Stick, Thus past week it has grown to such an extent that it is more of a protest against the president. The ironic part is how they protest his words by bowing/bending the knee.
@BM Fahrtz, they kneel because Colin Kap. Discussed this with a veteran before the first protest and both agreed kneeling was the most respectful way to protest. which is why they kneel
@Downvote Trash, yes. People are b^tching and freaking out because a few players decided to take a knee during the first few minutes of the game. Its ridiculous but our president made it such a huge deal that over half of the country think that the NFL protest is more important than Puerto Rico
@Downvote Trash, because now the NFL has chosen to be a hate group. They are inline with the kkk, blm, and such.
@T9x, It was actually after a few times that it gained media notoriety. Before, he would actually just sit. I think there were a few occasions, even before that, where he just stayed in the locker room. Not that it matters. He did still confer with a veteran who helped him find a means of showing respect while still voicing his protest.
@Berntley, as a veteran myself, I don't see how it's respectful. Sure, he's not standing up give the middle finger to the anthem, but he's still using it for his protest.
@Oujosh29, The thing is, there's actually a lot more of this going on than you might think. And he's not JUST protesting for minorities, but being a minority himself, that is the side that he comes from. In one of his interviews, he talks about being held at gunpoint because he and his friends were moving out of their own apartment. While the facts may have cleared the officers, here in a nation where we feel like it's more important to show blind respect for servicemen than it is to voice even the slightest concern or call to question the actions of a uniformed officer, it's not too far of a stretch to say that maybe the legal system holds a certain bias in favor of their own employees. Besides, the "facts" clearing someone is no real indicator of actual innocence. Hell, the facts cleared OJ, didn't they? Really, the bare bones of this protest is the trend of blind loyalty for and among the police. The nurse who got dragged out of her hospital for upholding the law, beat cops
@Oujosh29, well I'm glad we can have a civil conversation on this matter, regardless of what either of us think. Thank you for opening my eyes a little bit more on the issue
@Berntley, being caught repeatedly planting evidence in order to implicate an otherwise innocent suspect, whilst training rookie officers to do the same. Not to mention a president who has blatantly advocated police brutality, and recently pardoned a man who likened his own prisons to concentration camps, and whose administration was complicit in the targeting of minorities, and the deaths or life altering injuries of inmates, or even those simply being held overnight, brought in on ridiculously minimal charges. These are things that have happened in the past year, mind you. Not just long forgotten folk tales that the minority community just refuses to let go of. This place isn't perfect, and that "white guilt" you're talking about is actually just recognition of the fact that, while we may have it pretty easy and don't have to look at these problems if we don't want to, that doesn't mean there aren't people out there who are repeatedly subjected to police brutality and overreach.
@T9x, I don't think trump started the outrage. This has happened in the last few years and has been a controversy for awhile.
@Weird Porn Stash, it's basically been a thing since Colin What'shisface knelt following last year's rash of BLM-on-cop violence. It simply shifted from "fück cops" to "fück Trump" in the past few months.
@Weird Porn Stash, no trump didnt start the outrage. Colin kneeled while Obama was in office. But trump is obsessed with it and is making it about the flag and anthem rather than police brutality. While millions are devastated and in need of help in Puerto Rico an American territory the president would rather focus on the NFL and golfing.
@Berntley, in order to think it's a good protest you have to buy into the premise minorities are oppressed and targeted in the US which I don't. Most of the complaints happen to white people as well, it's called life. And yes the legal system does sometimes let guilty parties fall through the cracks, but I highly doubt you can say the massive rate in which cops aren't prosecuted or found guilty is all just quirks of the criminal system. Espically if you personally look at the facts of most cop shootings, the facts usually support the cops. Cops aren't stupid, they know they have a bull eye on them if they so much as look at a minority the wrong way, so the idea they are still spefically targeting minorities doesnt make much sense
@Berntley, Trump made a joke, you can't use that as evidence of blatantly advocating police brutality. Obama also joked about using a drone to blow up boys who liked his daughter, it'd be a stretch to use that as evidence of him being a blood thirsty dictator. Dont read to much into jokes. As for the sheriff Joe guy, he was tough on ILLEGAL immigration, and had a prison out in the desert for budget reasons. No one was gassed, no one was tortured. I dont care that he was pardoned. So not seeing the outrage. The white guilt is whites feeling bad because of perceived injustices that largely don't exist anymore but America is a nation of people on soap boxes so they need something to sound noble about
@Oujosh29, dude minorities ARE being targeted in America, and if you can’t see it you’re not looking for it. The department of justice found Baltimore police routinely targeted minorities in stops, levied them with fines, and disproportionately threw them in jail. These cases where “facts support the cops” can you name one? Because not in Phillando Castille’s case. Not in the Freddy Grey case. Not in the Sandra Bland case. And these are from all different parts of the country. Berntley (above) is right, “white guilt” is the realization that white privilege exists and because of it, you won’t be targeted by police. I agree with you that Obama shouldn’t have made that joke like Trump shouldn’t have made his; but other than that, I’d say you’ve got some research to do.
@ Dslayer769, actually in phillando castilles case the facts did support the cops. Espically so in Freddy greys case. Dont remember the Sandra bland case, I'll look that up later. You kind of made my point; you listed cases in which if you take the "omg a black person was harmed, riot!" And look at the facts, the police did nothing wrong yet you tried to use that as examples of police brutatlity. This is the problem with the "oppression of minorities" in the US. It's a circle logic of minorities are oppressed because police arrest minorities. And the DOJ that found oppression in Baltimore and Ferguson was under Holder. The police could have a history of handing out marshmallows and lollipops the guy would have called it oppressive.
@ Dslayer769, and to be clear, I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump making those jokes. There just jokes, no need to take things so seriously
@Oujosh29, how on earth did the Phillando Castile case support the officer? He panicked and fired 5 shots into a car with a child. Because a man, who had a concealed weapon and permit to have that weapon, was reaching for the identification the officer asked for. If that really looks to you that the cop was fully justified, then we’re not even having the same conversation.
@ Dslayer769, oh sorry, thought that was the case of the guy who died in the police van. Yeah, the Castile case was messed up with the cop being a trigger freak.
@Oujosh29, and that’s all I’m saying, he needs to be held accountable for that. But often a problem officer is just transferred around. I recommend watching Jon Oliver’s piece on police accountability. I thought in a similar vein as you for a time, but the more I looked into it I just don’t think the justice system truly values all lives like it’s supposed to.
@ Dslayer769, But the NFL players aren't protesting police accountability. They are protesting the perceived notion that cops are just all racist and shooting black people.
@Oujosh29, Sheriff Joe didn’t have “prisons” in the desert. They were jails and included holding people awaiting trial (as in not yet guilty of a crime). Joe is in prison because he was court ordered to stop profiling immigrants (or something like that). He went against a judges court order and thats why hes in jail. Contempt of Court. Why is it ok for the cop to go against a court order and not everyone else. Joe is now a criminal because he didn’t fight the judges order the legal way. Did you know he once held a hispanic man for 13 days in jail all because he failed to give a turn signal?
When I was younger I use to be ok with the idea of criminals in The desert jails. Until I learn the truth about this Sheriff Joe. How he wasn’t running prisons but jails.
@Oujosh29, If they want to just watch football then perhaps its time to no longer play the anthem before the game. No other corporate job would have you stand in respect to a religion or political event.
The flag and anthem means many things to many people. If you believe that the flag and anthem represents our troops. And you have respect for that. Then you should show that respect. But if you also believe that the flag and anthem represents American freedom. And you respect that freedom. Then you have to respect people‘s freedom to protest.
You should not force a person to show respect to a symbol of freedom.
(Sarcasm. Theres no example of hypocrisy in that last sentence what so ever.)
@Seohn, The president suggesting punishment for not standing for the flag and anthem could viewed as government oppression.
@Oujosh29, I think you may need to look up the definition of a joke. Trump isn't a comedian, he's a psychopath. Demanding that someone be fired for peacefully protesting instead of standing for the flag isn't a joke anymore than demanding a kid be suspended or expelled from school for refusing to stand for the pledge.
The football players job is to play football. They aren't taking the knee instead of playing, they are taking the knee during the anthem because they feel that their country has stopped embodying the principles that the flag is supposed to symbolize.
Wether or not they're right to feel this way is up for debate but is ultimately irrelevant. They feel like their country is going down a dark path, and they are choosing to protest it in a non violent matter. Support them if you agree with them, ignore them if you don't. But trying to stop them goes directly against the first amendment, so I'm inclined to agree with them if only because so many people are losing their shït.
@Grand Champion, so? They can't protest that because you disagree with them about it being an issue?
That's not freedom.
@I Are Lebo, Um, where did I say they couldn't protest?
@ Dslayer769, using jon oliver as a reference is horrible.
@Limp Stick, 16 unarmed black men shot every year by cops. 2600 black men sky
Shot every year by other black men. Who is really doing the shooting?
@Berntley, even if there was the slightest bit of systemic racism that existed in the united States, what is protesting the flag helping? These are millionaire athletes, but what are they really doing for the black community? 75% of black children don't have a father. 52% of all crimes in the US are committed by young black men. The entire black population in America is only 7% of the country. 16 unarmed black men are shot by police every year, and 2600 black men are shot by black men every year
@Grand Champion, when you argued that the issue they were protesting wasn't real. Clearly, it's real to them.
@Fun Facts 101, what does marching in the street do to help systemic racism? Because that's what the million man march was, a protest. Would you argue that that was a waste of time, too?
Saying they shouldn't protest because their protest doesn't directly fix the problem is idiotic. It brings attention to their dissatisfaction, it's not about them being responsible for fixing everything.
That's literally all that protesting is. Bringing attention to an issue so that hopefully there can be enough people to make a difference.
@ Dslayer769, in the cops defense, the told the man to stop reaching about 6 times and he wouldn't stop. When a cop tells you to do something with a gun pulled, you do it.
@I Are Lebo, Just because I think their protest is stupid, doesn't mean that I think they don't have the right to do it.
@I Are Lebo, at what point in this country has the black community 'not' brought attention to the mythical systemic racism?
The black community is self destructive. The position that they are in is nobody's fault but their own. And kneeling during the national anthem, verses, funding the Boys and Girls club, ghetto underfunded city schools, building better houses in affordable housing neighbourhoods, helping feed poor black communities..
But no, they are just kneeling during a time of respect. Not because they want to protest, either. But because trump said he didn't like it. And you can't deny that, either, because literally the only man who would do it was Kaepernick until Trump said he didn't like it. Then everyone started doing it just to spite him. I follow many political black men on YouTube because I love hearing their perspective and it's all the same. They all agree they do this to themselves. I'd recommend watching Anthony Brian Logan talk about it on YouTube.
@I Are Lebo, Trumps comments could’ve been viewed as a joke. If he only made one comment and didnt keep saying more stuff.
@Grand Champion, fair enough.
@Seohn, but he did. The only way you could think that Trump is joking when he lashes out at people is if you are the type of unthinking zealot that actually thinks that Trump has made good on his campaign promises. That wall is never getting built, he not only did not have Hillary arrested but he has openly congratulated her and led a standing applause for her, and he hasn't passed so much as a single meaningful bill through congress, mostly because all the bills he promotes are openly unconstitutional and entirely unethical.
I'm so sick of talking about Trump. The man is a self centred bastard who has no priorities higher than himself, and no idea what he is doing. And his supporters are psychotic. "He's just getting used to the job! We need to give him time to acclimatize!" That excuse wouldn't fly for a managerial position at Walmart, so why it is acceptable for an inexperienced doofus of a president?
Trump apologists frustrate me, because they're mindlessly defending a man who literally could not care less about them. Donald Trump wouldn't so much as cross the street to piss on his biggest supporter to put them out if they were on fire.
@Fun Facts 101, there's multiple sides to every issue. Yes, I agree that most of black peoples problems are their own fault. Similar to the native Americans, many black people refuse to adapt to their situation to make it better, preferring to scapegoat others.
But to take the stance that institutional racism in America is mythical is to plug your eyes and ears and not pay attention to your surroundings.
When a lot of black people are criminals, and the police respond to that by being suspicious of ALL black people, that is what institutional racism IS. Try talking to some black people in more affluent neighbourhoods and ask them if they've ever been pulled over for no apparent reason.
The problem is blown out of proportion by groups like BLM, but they aren't making the issue up. They are dismissing their own responsibility but it's not ALL on their shoulders. All issues have two sides (at least) and the truth inevitably lies somewhere in the middle.
@Fun Facts 101, Because the jim crow laws that were created for the purpose to restricting black voters isn’t racism at all right?
Don’t get me wrong I think some of the things the black community’s do only hurts their cause. But not all of it is a myth.
Seriously start watching Adam Ruins Everything. Particularly the episode about Voting, Prisons, and Drugs. Then tell me laws weren’t created just to try to break down communities. Be sure to cite your sources like the show does.
@I Are Lebo, I'm just saying. There is a very clear difference in the atmosphere and personality in a black man who is "pulled over for no reason" and a black man who never gets pulled over.
@Seohn, Jim Crow laws? Oh! Right. Those laws created by white democrats that was enforced until.. Oh, 1965. Do you have anything current?
@Fun Facts 101, that is not proof that racism doesn't exist. It very much does.
@Fun Facts 101, they're still enforced in many places in the USA.
Did you know that slavery wasn't actually fully illegal in every single state until the 1990s? Not the 1890s, the 1990s.
@I Are Lebo, that's accustomed to the northern states, who only abolished slavery in the south and then in the north.. 30 years later. The left has never helped black people and use them for their votes.
@Fun Facts 101, How do you also explain a cop holding a hispanic man for 13 days in jail for failure to give a turn signal? Technically that can be viewed police brutality since it was a gross injustice.
@Fun Facts 101, wow. I can't even argue against such willful ignorance.
You really think that absolutely nobody who self identifies as left leaning or liberal has ever exploited black people to get elected? Hillary Clinton is not the first person to comport themselves differently to try to win the "black vote".
You need to open your eyes, and spend some time travelling the country to learn why your views do not reflect reality.
@Fun Facts 101, Jim crow laws were created in the south. Regardless of which party created it. Their purpose was to break communities down. Pointing blame at who created it is not defense for it being created. And its still practiced today because felons in a lot of states aren’t allowed to vote. So you are incorrect in saying it doesn’t pertain to recent events. Also cite sources. I have mine.
@I Are Lebo, that's a funny comment coming from you
@Seohn, literally wikipedia, kid.
@Fun Facts 101, Literally you need to research your stuff better. Adam Ruins Everything. Sources to historical facts cited on the show. Everything I’ve said about Jim Crow Laws is straight from it. And until you’ve seen the episode you really can’t dispute it as false without citing sources. Even wikipidia gets it wrong sometimes. Though sources cited are on it most if the time. And the Felons not allowed to vote came from the Jim Crow Laws. So it does pertain to today.
I suppose some people cant handle facts that go against what they believe or want to believe.
@Fun Facts 101, I have spent time travelling. I have spent time among people who are different from me in basically every meaningful way.
To deny that there are still problems with inherent racism in today's society and that all of black peoples problems are their own fault is to blind yourself.
When is the world EVER that simple? To simplify the problems of a huge number of people down to an easily dismissible nonissue is to embrace ignorance.
@I Are Lebo, at this point in today, in 2017, you can't say that there is racism holding down black people from reaching their goals. There was a black president. Black generals in the military. Black surgeons, CEOs, Even the President of the NRA is black. There is affirmative action as well as many other programs that put coloured people (70/30 under qualified) ahead of others because of race quotas. In what way, (besides bad cops, because there are assholes in every group) are black people being prevented from reaching their goals?
Ben shaprio explains it better than I do.
Jim crow ended in 1960
Civil rights act was created in 1964
@I Are Lebo, the joke being referred to was a joke about a criminal being bumped on his head when getting put into a cop car, it wasn't about the protest. I think Trump tweeting about the protest was stupid because it's not the presidents place and it revived something that was already dying out. I know all presidents comment on stuff they shouldn't be involved in, but Trumps tweet was really stupid.
The first amendment doesn't apply here. These football players are at work in uniform. They should not be making a political protest about anything. In any other job if you protest on company time and in uniform, they'd be fired without a second thought. Now of course it's up to the team owners to decide how to handle it, but don't make this into more of a noble cause than it is.
@Fun Facts 101, Thats right it ended. But its end was an excuse to create a law that prevented felons from voting. It was used as a way to suppress minority voters. Also the only reason to point out that democrats made the Jim crow law when who created has no relevance it the fact that it shouldn’t have existed. Indicated your attempy to paint democrats in a bad light. You then go on to say that I should use an example of something more relevant. Which means your example to paint democrats poorly. Is not a relevant example to be used as it is not recent.
By the way I’m not some kid that buys into propaganda and is unable to see both sides of an argument. I kneel in protest not because I have no respect for troops. I fully respect the troops. I kneel now because I believe the flag is a symbol of freedom. And to force others to stand in respect is to go against what a symbol of freedom represents. Do you respect that freedom?
@Seohn, I think youre a disrespectful dumbass. But yes, I respect your right. Do you respect a Christian bakers right to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding?
You must have not watched the links.
@Fun Facts 101, I have as much respect for the bakers as they do for the gay couple. Im not disrespectful at all when The time requires proper respect to be shown. I show proper respect when that respect is needed to be shown. I also show the defiance the founding fathers had shown when creating the freedom we have today.
Which is why I don’t insult people whom I disagree with by name calling as a method of trying use vanity in an attempt to make myself feel superior or prove my point.
Im may not agree with someone point of view. But I’ll defend their right to have it. Something everyone whom supports punishing the athletes does not practice.
@Seohn, I'm half conservative half libertarian. I understand your viewpoint and I agree. But kneeling during the anthem is not helping the people that need help. If you actually want to help, quit being a jackass and volunteer.
@Fun Facts 101, did you know it’s also consider helping a cause to simply bring attention to a cause? By bringing attention to a cause you help other people realize that it’s happening. You may not be volunteering to directly help. But you’re spreading a message that may encourage others to perhaps help. You forget this or don’t consider this when you think like that.
@Fun Facts 101, did you also know that there were Christians who were using their religion to deny services for couples of interracial marriages once upon a time. Grant you racism and anti-gay subjects aren’t exactly the same thing. However as a person that was taught to be good to thy fellow man. I view denying a person whose viewpoint in which I don’t agree with. To go against what Ive learned as the meaning of being a good Christian.
@Seohn, as a private business owner, if they wanted to deny anyone of any race, religion, or status, they should have the freedom to do so. Don't you agree?
@Fun Facts 101, I do not agree with it except in certain circumstance. Denying someone service could cause issues in areas where your private business is the only one that provides that service. You don’t have to accept another persons beliefs but you should at least tolerate it. But if its also ok for private businesses to deny someone a product then that means its ok for people to protest and boycotting such businesses.
If you want to participate in the capitalistic market that runs America. Then you are also agreeing to participate in the laws that govern it. As a small business owner. They should consider that before continuing to do business.
That said. I may not agree with denying someone a product based on religion. But if the law permits it. Then thats how it is until the law changes.
@Fun Facts 101, But how do you propose alternative services in areas that only have one business providing that service? To create selective discrimination means you must have a way to address potential is issues that arrive because of it?
In my town there is an ordinance that you cannot hire outside electrician contractors. You have to use the ones that are in this region. What if all of them were allowed to deny service to people that their religion does not agree with? How do you propose we solve this problem?
@Seohn, it's called a free market. If a car shop refuses to sell black people or Muslims vehicles, how many people would be okay with that? If people in your town denied certain people certain services because of their race and or religion, they have the right to protest to try to convince the company to change their mind. If a bakery near me didn't sell to black people, I wouldn't shop because I do not approve of racism (and my girlfriend wouldn't be happy if I bought from them since she is Dominican)
But as a private business, they should be free to do what they want with their business (of course this does not include anything destructive or damaging)
If you don't like it, don't buy from it. If there isn't anyone else and they are being discriminatory, either a new business will open that will take those customers, or people will boycott it. But a free market should be just that. Free
@Fun Facts 101, Your opinion is fine. And yes I understand that this is a free market. But there are laws in place to protect citizens from shady business practices. If you can defend that a business can discriminate than you must have a solution to the problems it creates. I’ve named one of the serious issue with this already. What if all grocery stores in a town refused to sell to muslims?
@Seohn, they can buy from amazon, or any online company that doesn't discriminate.
@Fun Facts 101, and totally free markets are doomed to failure. Free market attitudes are why our rivers and oceans are polluted, why we are starting to get multiple massive tornadoes per year, why almost every summer in the last ten years has been record breakingly hot, and why there are many other crisis going almost entirely ignored, if not outright denied, by major media.
The model does not work long term. The totally free market of thought is an extremely short term goal oriented mindset, and it's causing more problems than it fixes. There is a WIDE margin between no regulations, and tight regulations. They need to be tighter than they are now.
America is in the shïtter because the people in power (and I am most certainly not referring to Trump here) have a vested interest in keeping Americans dumb, fat, uneducated slobs.
I just watched an article on CNN where the anchors are all freaking out because Russia has been stirring up shït in America via social media, and I'm just
@I Are Lebo, I hope you understand I included what you are talking about with environmental exclusions.
sitting back thinking "that's like 85% of what the internet is. Random people trolling each other."
I see that, and I see Americans arguing and fighting with each other over the most irrelevant of issues while your country burns around you.
The roads and buildings are collapsing? Who cares about that, GAYS ARE TRYING TO MARRY! 😱
We have the highest amount of incarcerated citizens in the world? No way, we're all about FREEDOM! 🇺🇸
We spend more on defence spending than any other country and that amount is more than the next 20 countries combined? No, we don't have enough revenue to run the country! Better tax poor people more! Rich people EARN their money, they shouldn't be taxed at all!
America, you need to get your shït together.
@I Are Lebo, hold on, rich people really don't need to be taxed any more. Half their revenue goes to the government and the other half goes when they die. They pay millions in dollars every year.
And about climate change, I don't feel like debating how little we should worry about so just watch this. https://youtu.be/aZNu3GRI3H4
@Fun Facts 101, the fact that you genuinely believe (and if I'm wrong PLEASE correct me) that the 1%ers, the Kochs and the Cargills and the Hiltons and the Kennedy's and all the other rich 'old money' families pay half their revenue in taxes, then you are deluding yourself.
Many wealthy families pay no taxes at all due to loopholes, the most convenient of which is donating large amounts of money and writing it off as tax deductible. The money then mostly ends up in the hands of 'non profit' runners, which is essence is just a large pool of money floating back and forth between the rich that run the programs.
My uncle is the CEO of a real estate company. My aunt heads a large non profit. My brother works in Los Angeles as a producer, and a main facet of his job is to get money from rich people or groups to finance movies.
I've wined and dined with billionaires, and I can tell you, they aren't worried about their taxes.
@Fun Facts 101, as for "the other half goes [to the government] when they die", no it does not. It goes to their heirs. That's why it's called 'family money'. I don't know where you got the idea that billionaires give their money back when they die, but it's not anywhere near approaching reality.
@Fun Facts 101, just an FYI, Donald Trump hasn't paid a cent in taxes in the last fifteen years, and because of loopholes intentionally put into the law he did it 100% legally.
@I Are Lebo, okay, yes, it does and it's literally called the death tax. Only effects the 1%.
@I Are Lebo, I don't blame them. I'd also rather donate millions of dollars to charity rather than see it go to waste with government spending. Most of loopholes by the way are about to be fixed by.. Donald Trump. Look up his new tax reform. Hate him all you want but you're about to have a lot more money to spend if this goes through.
@Fun Facts 101, if you think for a minute that Donald Trump, an unapologetic 1%er is going to have your interests in mind and will change things to benefit the poor and not the rich, then there's really no other way to put it, you're a fücking moron.
The man's last bill to be shot down would have reduced or removed healthcare to millions of people in order to give another tax cut to the 1%.
This is willful ignorance at its 'finest'.
@I Are Lebo, trump: "I'm going to get rid of that loophole that many 1%ers use, including myself, to get out of paying as much taxes"
You: "willful ignorance"
My favorite part will be when the economy skyrockets after trump and you somehow try to credit it to Obama, who was more damaging to this country than fvcking Nixon. Keep calling me names and downvoting my comments like it makes your point valid.
What was that you said? Learn how the world works?
An hour of Ben Shapiro a day makes the hive mind liberal sane.
I'd recommend you give him a try. He has a great podcast on YouTube.
@Fun Facts 101, I'm down voting your comments that I seriously disagree with.
And for the record, I agree with you about Obama. He was a useless twat whose most noteworthy trait was his ethnicity. I'm not even all that clear on why so many people loved his speeches, I found him quite annoying to listen to.
And don't get me wrong, I think Hillary is a scumbag sucking on the teat of her corporate owners. But Trump is the only thing worse than a corrupt politician. He is a self serving, short sighted, egotistical moron who is unqualified for his job in EVERY meaning of the word. Yet for some reasons he STILL has support. After making openly bigoted comments, after lying again and again, and after failing to follow through on a single promise, you people eat the sun out of his asshole.
All he gives you are empty words and you eat it up. Look at his actions. They do not match his words, and they paint the real picture of an imbecile who'd rather tweet than lead because he can only
understand how to do one of those.
The fact that you think Donald Trump gives a flying fück about you is pretty clear evidence that you haven't been paying any attention to the man's regular behaviours. I laugh every time I hear someone classify Trump as "someone who doesn't back down" when he backs down ALL the freaking time. Do you have the slightest notion of how many lawsuits that man settles on? Or how many lawsuits he has against him ongoing?
The man literally shïts on a toilet made of gold, and you think he cares about the little guy? That's laughable.
You are taking the word of a demonstrated pathological liar. I could give you a bulleted list of the sheer number of proven false lies Trump has unflinching uttered on national tv in the last two years.
@I Are Lebo, firstly, I'd like to say I'm not a trump supporter fully, but I do think he's doing a much better job then Obama. I love his tax reform and his travel policies, and he's very good at negotiating for the country. I completely agree he says ignorant things. I voted for Ted Cruz, since I lean more libertarian. Secondly, he has done quite a few things.
4.4 percent – lowest since May 2007
Chris leu $1B
Bayer AG $1B
40 percent fewer illegal border crossings and deportation of violent and repeat offenders
Killed the TPP
After 8 years of inaction
Tough on North Korea
Tough on Syria
Freed Humanitarian Workers from Egypt
Currently at 125.6
$100M to Flint, Michigan
Passed 32 bills through Congress
DOW at 20,896
That's just after 4 months
@Fun Facts 101, where is this information coming from?
@I Are Lebo, fact checking website called snopes.com
Or, just Google it.
@Fun Facts 101, also: ongoing allegations of gross political misconducts, including but not limited to: colluding with Russia to meddle with the election, interfering in a federal investigation, revealing confidential information to foreign diplomats; he also was supporting (or just refusing to condemn) neo nazis and the KKK (on numerous occasions); he also has been implicated in numerous cases of sexual assault, some of which were on girls less than 18 years old; he has allegations of systematic racism in the hotels he runs; he has been implicated in numerous cases of fraud where he break contract and refuses to pay his employees; he has openly expressed attraction to his own daughter; and he is still in the midst of a massive class action lawsuit for his entirely fraudulent university.
The man is a scumbag. If you count on him, he WILL let you down.
@I Are Lebo, most of those are just personal bias or just straight up lies. 7 month investigation with no hard evidence of Russia collusion (but there was physical evidence he was wire tapped by his opponents) also, he didn't reveal information, his son went to a meeting that lasted all of three minutes. He denounced the KKK and the white supremacists, people are just pissed because he said both sides are bad people (they are) sexual assault cases.. Like bill Clinton? (Wouldn't change how he runs a country) allegations is different than proof, especially since large businesses are punished by the government for racism, don't know anything about contracts, doesn't effect how he runs a country, doesn't surprise me that someone would sue a rich guy. Again, stop acting like I'm a trump minion. I think he's doing a good job but I didn't vote for him. I defend what he does in debates because the hive mind spreads false narratives about him simply out of spite.
@Fun Facts 101, there's no talking to you. You will not seeps hear anything you don't want to.
Trump himself gave classified information to a Russian diplomat while being recorded. I've heard the recording. I've also seen a video myself where Trump squeezed the breast of a 16 year old model, on camera. I have seen the form and several interviews of people who lost everything because they invested in Trump University and never got to attend because there was no real classes. I have seen the forms for the class action lawsuit, whose basis was the Trump buildings refusing to rent to block people in the 70s, or making conditions so miserable that they'd move out. He waffled on whether or not he even knew David Duke before turning around and supporting the grand wizard of the KKK, who he has supported vocally several times, I'm not just referring to his "there's good and bad on both sides" BS. One side committed murder while calling for ethnic cleansing, while the other side protested
against racism, but yeah there's "good people on both sides". Meanwhile Oprah was mean to Trump and he ranted about her for days.
You are a blind Trump supporter, and you seem to be lying most of all to yourself. I don't give a flying fück whether or not you voted for him, but when you try to defend a probable chronic liar saying that the criticisms against him are bias and lies when the evidence is absolutely crystal clear, it's proof that you do not know what you are talking about, and that your opinions on this matter have no merit.
Tl:dr version? You're wrong about Trump.
@I Are Lebo, I think you mean, one side wants there to be an ethnic cleansing and is racist, while the other side is rioting, disturbing the peace, assaulting, blocking streets, throwing piss bottles at officers, hitting trump supporters with bike locks, giving their students extra credit to protest, using their leverage as a teacher to manipulate their students.
It's funny how you say I don't grasp anything and won't listen, because this is the third time I'm going to tell you that I'm not a fvcking trump guy. I'm libertarian.
And you know what else? I don't care if he spends his free time beating up midgets. As long as he makes the country's economy boom again like with Reagan, and gets rid of all this anti gun shjt that's unconstitutional and gets us on the right track again, I'm fine with it. Who you are personally does not effect how you run a country if you run it like a business man.
This is the difference between the left and right. One cares more about the moral dilemma,
@I Are Lebo, the other side cares more about what matters. You're a typical to a T liberal. You care more about your feelings than anything else. I not only denounced myself as a trump supporter, but I told you that who he is personally doesn't affect how he is a President. I couldn't care less. As long as he keeps making it better. Now, if trump came out and said that he's not taking down Obama care, I'd be mad. I'd hate it. If trump said or does something I disagree with, I'd vote against it. I don't have this chronological hate for the man like you do, grasping to whatever small straws I can find that supports that the billionaire tycoon is a bad bad man.
@I Are Lebo, TLDR: we're done here. When trump fvcks up and our economy crashes and we're all at war and diseased, I'll hate him right along with you.
@Fun Facts 101, this is like talking to a brick wall. I'm out.
@Fun Facts 101, for the record, I don't hate trump because of what he is. I hate him for the things he says and the things he does.
Lol retards anyone who thinks that black people are singled out or oppressed in any western nation are delussional.
Sure looks like they are kneeling praising America
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