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Does anyone else know people who deny climate change, but then say things like “remember when we used to get way more snow in the winter” or “man summers just keep getting hotter”?
@bennihana121, or "Help, my daughter just burned down my house, and she's coming for me next." Crazy people, I know.
@bennihana121, it’s an opposite ice age
@bennihana121, since the last ice age it should be getting warmer. On earth's timescale that ice age barely ended yesterday.
@bennihana121, thats funny...sc just had the coldest april in history....
@bennihana121, I mean to be fair in Virginia we have had about the same climate every year. All of the record highs and lows are from like the 40s and it's not much different on average in today's time. That's in VA not sure about the rest of the country
@bennihana121, or like Edmonton set a record for the most days in a row that when under zero. 167...that was this 2017/18 winter... Man I remember when it was warmer!
@MMSieBreeze, weather of a specific area is not the same as global climate. The planet’s climate overall is warming, weather of one specific area doesn’t reflect the trend of the entire planet. So while some places experienced their coldest times, the average of Earth is experiencing it’s hottest
@bennihana121, Then there's Canada that had Winter until halfway through April lol
@bennihana121, You remember before ‘climate change’ we just had global warming and the hole in the ozone layer? No one argued against those - they just saw the evidence, went “oh, right” and banned CFCs.
@MMSieBreeze, oh it's cold where you are? Clearly climate change is a hoax then.
@bennihana121, my dad
@Nellybert , I love your comment.
@bennihana121, if climate change is real there is no stoping it. We started tracking climate change back in the 1800 when the industrial revolution happend. In order to stop it we would have to essentially have a net zero emmision output. That means an end to cars, heated homes, pretty much all factories, and essentially civilization as we know it.
@bennihana121, I lived in Anchorage, Alaska for 2 back-to-back record setting winters. 2011-12 deepest snowfall, and 2012-13 longest winter (first snowfall to last snowfall). I now live in Montana, and we had some close to record snowfall and length of winter here as well (these last 2 years). “Climate change” seems to be a misleading name with vague connotations, if the term is used referring to anything other than the natural tilted rotation of our planet as it circumnavigates around a star. In other words, we experience climate change daily with the rising and setting of the sun, and so forth as the seasons change due to the Earth’s tilted axis and elliptical orbit around the Sun.
@BlazingBowman, Even if we as humans stopped all emisions that contribute to the warming of the planet. Its a snowball effect. The warming is set in motion and will continue on even without humans. I want arguments geared to encourage people to come up with, not just ways to get to that net zero emission output. But to create technologies that can reverse it. Which are discoveries that get slowed down because we waste time arguing with people who deny proven science.
So anytime a news person starts a debate. I think scientist that get brought on to the show should simply point this out and end by saying. On that note I’m done wasting time with people incapable of understanding science. Its obvious they aren’t going to contribute to finding technologies to reverse the problem. So why waste that time.
(Though sometimes I wish they would stand up and just say. Its a waste of time arguing with stupid. But calling people who don’t realize they are being stupid. Doesn’t help either)
@K1l, some scientists argue that there is always a temperature maximum before an ice age, so are we approaching that max and to prevent an ice age, maybe we should emit even more CO2 into our atmosphere?
--not what I personally believe, just pointing out a counterargument lol
@palkodots, One of my worries is that the Earth may overcorrect itself and send us into an even more extreme ice age than it would’ve been otherwise. So emitting even more carbon dioxide could make that worse. I haven’t really looked into the science for this yet, but it’s just a theory I have off the top of my head
I don't deny climate chamge, but the binary discussion around the issue is not healthy nor does it allow for the gravity of the solutions to be accurately understood.
@PoliticalOtters, the climate has changed naturally for millions of years....the "global warming" argument is the one thats off
@MMSieBreeze, I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
@PoliticalOtters, according to what i know the global warming movement was created from a model saying that the earths temp. was going to rise exponentially as the use of fossil fuel increases...which in the last 10 years is a lot...yet we still have record colds even in areas closer to the equator..so while the climate has changed several times in the earths lifetime the claim that global warming is due to to fossil fuels being used is false...according to a study the amount of carbon dioxide in the air(globally) is like 0.003(im not sure the exact number)...which was shown to be an extremely low value compared to what global warming "experts" predicted
@MMSieBreeze, if that's true then it backs my statement still.
@MMSieBreeze, true but global warming is still very real. Allow me to give you the standard answer. Yes the globe has been increasing in temp for the last few centuries. But e normally saw that it went up by about 1 degree on average for every 150-200 years. Since 1960 we've seen it increase by 1 whole degree. It's a bit insane. It is expected to skyrocket however between now and 2024. Or so NASA believes. Let's also remember that out of the top 10 hottest years ever recorded 7 of them have been in the last decade.
@MMSieBreeze, i’ll explain it at it’s scientific level for it to make the most sense
Carbon and other greenhouse gases are compounds in the atmosphere that allow sunlight to pass through the atmosphere. Some of the energy is absorbed by the earth while some of it is bounced back into space as heat. The greenhouse gases trap the heat and emit it back to the earth. This process is completely natural and is necessary to keep the earth warm enough (at least for human conditions).
Ove rmany years, the earth naturally has trends, some of in which the Earth heats up and cools in others. The current natural trend is warming. However, it is warming at an extremely unnatural rapid rate, faster than ever before. This is due to human activities such as cattle farming and fossil fuel combustion, which releases an excess amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, which stores and emits more heat. Human enhanced global warming is as real as the gravity holding you to the earth right now.
@K1l, wait, so you’re saying gravity isn’t real?
@K1l, check out grand solar minimum and how it's occurrence is coinciding with the way the climate is changing. Global warming hasn't warmed the planet since the mid nineties, and the thought that humans caused it is laughable. We have charts that show the level of co2 rising in the air is not affecting the temperature nearly as much as climate scientists say it is. But all you will hear on the news in about record heat and only in america. Check out Adapt2030's channel on youtube, some very interesting science behind what's actually going on.
@0bserverXero, You want me to take the words of a youtuber over the words of NASA scientists? That’s like taking the words of an article about not vaccinating your kids over the words of doctors.
While your at it, you should go tell the professors that made the AP environmental science program I took last year that they’re wrong because a youtube video said so.
There is a plethora of evidence for human enhanced global warming, the only people who don’t believe it decided that they weren’t going to before they even learned about it. The vast majority of scientists agree that it is real, why is that not enough? These same scientists taught us about gravity and evolution, why is their stance on climate change so unbelievable?
@K1l, we are wrong about gravity and evolution is only a theory. If gravity were truly the dominating force in the universe, how to galaxies hold together? An unknown substance that we manage to not detect?
When you have a subject that we've invested billions upon billions of dollars into only to find out we were wrong, human arrogance will convince us that we are right. I grew up with all these things, and just happened on better more sound science. Henry Ford would not have admitted chevy's were better even if they were because his money was tied elsewhere. And if you're not even willing to give an alternative the time of day, maybe you're the arsehole.
Also, the professors that put that environmental program together were paid to put in other people's ideas, not their own. Following the trend gets the bucks.
@K1l, who knows, maybe your precious college professors can debunk the science that the science community is scared to even address
@0bserverXero, okay, so you don’t believe in gravity or evolution? There is no hope, our argument is done
@I Are Lebo, Nope, it’s just “the natural order of density” or something. But if you ask me to explain that I’ll just post a link to a YouTube video & a picture involving a pyramid, then call you a shill to the ball-Earth conspiracy.
@0bserverXero, If gravity isn’t real, what’s holding us down?
@K1l, i never said I didn't believe in gravity, what we know as it has only barely been touched upon. Everyone wants to think that gravity is it's own thing insteadof possibly being the termination of another much greater force as it is applied to mass. None of the scientists at nasa will tell you that space is not an empty vacuum, or that it is filled with low density plasma that is nearly infinitely conductive to electrical currents that pervade space.
You've seen the model for gravity I presume? The one that has the neat little grid pattern under celestial bodies showing force of gravity? How are you gonna you gravity to define gravity?
And I quite agree. There is no hope for this discussion, as you've already considered it an argument and neither side has really provided facts to call it a debate. I was once indoctrinated in the standard model of science, but another realm came along that offered me more than just theories and conjectures. They told me to believe black holes
@0bserverXero, exist but they can't photograph one even though we have clear photos of galaxies and superclusters light years away. "Believe us" they said and I chose the side that presents real evidence that can be demonstrated here on earth, as the proportions are multiplicative instead of logarithmic (kinda handy for them, yes?)
I was lied to about modern science, just as I was religion, for what is the big bang but creationism wrapped in scientific hypothesis?
When you open your mind to other possibilities, think for yourself and not bark whenever your superiors tell you to, then we can have a discussion. Good day, sir.
@MMSieBreeze, both can be true. They’re not mutually exclusive. Of course the climate has changed over time, but it’s also possible we’re exacerbating what would otherwise be natural cycles.
@Nellybert , 🤨?
@K1l, you're totally right, except for carbon dioxide* not carbon haha
@I Are Lebo, A question mark? Oooh, that looks like something a ball-Earth shill would use.
Seriously though, I don’t know what the f**k that means, but it’s an ‘explanation’ regularly trotted out on twitter to explain how we stay stuck to the ‘flat earth’. 🤷🏼♂️
@0bserverXero, there are photographs of black holes. Because a singularity captures light it is effectively invisible, but if a black hole is close enough to a star or a planet or a debris field it is possible to detect the matter being sucked into the black hole, as well as a narrow band of radiation that is emitted by the event horizon.
Your argument is wholly based on a conspiratorial slant that is mired in ignorance. Your arguments are as invalid as those who defended the geocentric model of the solar system against the heliocentric, and for much the same reasons.
I suggest you come at the available data with a fresh perspective and reevaluate your preconceptions. Some of them may be right but the ones you’ve posted here are not.
@0bserverXero, you're talking about the "ether" which was proven to not exist by actual scientists...probably the ones at NASA who apparently wont tell us about this "plasma"
Also, "just" theories? Do you know of the extensive steps a researcher has to take to develop a theory?
You're either a troll or just plain dumb. Either way get your pseudoscience off this thread
@Nellybert , so it was a stupid people quote. Gotcha.
Any conspiracy theory that requires hundreds of people to be in on it are just ridiculous and ignorant of human nature. Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. I’ll consider any conspiracy theory that involves less than a dozen people acting towards their own mutual self interest, but anyone who thinks that all airline companies, all of NASA, every satellite ever, all weather controllers, all atmospheric scientists, and everyone else involved are all lying about the shape of the planet and faking evidence to keep the populace in the dark is simply retarded.
@Nellybert , Pretty much, yeah. Usually of the crazily religious type too. (I’m not calling religious people stupid, just saying that these people in particular seem to be both stupid and religious).
You’re missing a key element that hold the conspiracy together - Freemasons. Specifically, Satanist Crypto-Jew (whatever that is) Freemasons. See? Much more plausible now, isn’t it? 🤣
@palkodots, yeah that was purposeful. I reached the word count maximum for the comment so I had to take out a few words lol
@K1l, gotcha! Just didn't want the dummies in the thread to get even more confused than what they are already lol
Just a reminder: neither of these people are scientists.
@ToastyGoodness, engineers are applied scientists.
@ToastyGoodness, bill nye is a scientist and has been an educator for decades.
@HoorayFerSocks, Yet... not the kind of scientist he posed as.
@HoorayFerSocks, Also, what exactly is he trying to teach? It seems like he will only “educate” us on the ideology of the politics of the day.
If climate change is so real, why dont they execute those that start wildfires. A wildfire emits multiple times more CO2 that all the cars in the us combined. So all this green energy crap is canceled out by one dude with a blow torch.
@Boomhauer, they would kill if they could. Can you imagine how much pollutants a volcano spits out while it’s erupting?
@Osama bin Dead, yeah and it's all our fault for the volcanoes erupting.
@Osama bin Dead, yes
@Boomhauer, good lad
I still can’t believe the amount of people who don’t believe in climate change. It’s actually scary the amount of misinformed people there are out there
B!tch our god Bill has spoken, it is now fact and you can’t deNye it.
Bill nye, the original savage
@Jackinthebox, Shill Nye the Sellout Guy
The earth will burn, the earth will freeze, the earth will cool, the earth will burn again. The cycle continues as it always has and always well until the sun finally goes out. Our brief existence on this floating ball of mud is inconsequential to the process.
Where is this from?
@Dick Gravatar, check your neighborhood dumpsters, should be in one of those
To be honest, I have to side with Thanos on this one. The only real solution to the problem of anthropogenic climate change is to reduce the ‘anthropo’ piece of the equation.
Population growth trends have been diminishing since the 60’s, and this will help curb humans effect on the global climate.
If we eventually reach a catastrophic level with regard to our climate, and billions of people die, it will be very tragic. BUT, those that are left will have a much better standard of living after the dust settles.
As was the case after the plague swept through Europe in the late 14th century. Less people meant less strain on resources, and higher demand for skilled labor. Land was more plentiful, and wages increased.
@boardinsocal, if you truly believe that, then you should be the first one to “die for the world”
@Osama bin Dead, tbh, I’m ok with that. We’ve all gotta go sometime. And I’m on borrowed time already.
@boardinsocal, well it’s your life I suppose
How about just take care of the planet even if it's not. It's our home for christ sake.