And because of that we now have hentai
@Sexy Homunculus, i see this as a win!
While funny, I don’t think they gave them much chance to surrender. Also I’ve heard there’s a lot of evidence suggesting that the war was basically won before the first bomb dropped. Hopefully someone more savvy with history will correct me or fill in the blanks
@Natural Sarcasm , long story short, Japan offered a conditional surrender. The US would only accept unconditional surrender because they had attacked them. Japan prepared for do or die resistance after the first nuke and rejected unconditional surrender since the nuke wasn't viewed as much worse than the Tokyo firebombing. The second nuke made the Emperor (one of the main conditions they demanded being he remain on the chrysanthemum throne) realize that the US could and would wipe them out if the "do or die" road was driven on long enough. Nukes turned every single large plane into a city killing threat, while the Japanese couldn't even stop the mass bombing raids let alone scramble AA for everything in the sky.
@Natural Sarcasm , it was "basically won" only because it was impossible for Japan to win, but to force the surrender without nukes would have cost a lot of lives on its own. Plus Japan surrendering to Russia, which had become a huge threat post v-day, was a big threat for America with the cold war about to start and whatnot
@Natural Sarcasm , had the US not dropped the bombs causing Japan to surrender, the US would have had to invade Japan which would have cost countless lives on both sides
@Natural Sarcasm , yeah the second bomb was 3 days after the first. They were most like still in shock and filled with fear. Japan had a vote to surrender and it was 50-50 with another vote being planned and then we dropped another bomb on them. It was basically for revenge
@Natural Sarcasm , yeah the second bomb was 3 days after the first. They were most like still in shock and filled with anger at the time. Japan had a vote to surrender and it was 50-50 with another vote being planned and then we dropped another bomb on them. It was basically for revenge
@Pharaoh, moral of the story... don't fjck with a man's boats...
@YourProudFather, especially if said man is Uncle Sam.
@Natural Sarcasm , The US bombed civilians with full knowledge of the repercussions a nuke would bring. If the US left japan alone Japan wouldnt have done anything they just didnt want to sign a piece of paper so they killed 100,000s of civilians. No matter what way I look at it personally it was a terrible power play and much worse than the pearl harbor attack. Civilians should never be the target.
@Rudolph Schmidt , surprisingly enough, the nukes were the safer option. Not using them would have cost significantly more lives on both sides. Civilians were killing themselves in mass when Americans approached because of the propaganda spread about them. Each island would have been a bloody fight, with 1000s of people dead till they could have got to the main area. They needed a show of force to break their spirit and get them to surrender. Neither option was good, But that's a war for you.
@Gallchobhair thanks for the dislike instead of engaging in a conversation and backing up your views. Seems pretty cowardly to be the only one in the thread disliking in a chill conversation. Hmmm.
@Rudolph Schmidt , The Nukes were worse than Pearl Harbor, but Japan had plenty of other horrible campaigns that outweigh the Nukes. I.E. the rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, the massacres of civilians on multiple Pacific Islands, the use of chemical warfare and human experimentation, etc. The Empire of Japan were responsible for the deaths of anywhere between 3 million and 15 million civilians and POWs.
@Jaune Arc, Okay so by that logic why didnt we make Germany pay the same way? Why didnt we make their civilians suffer for their governments and military's actions? I see your point and yes there should have been repercussions but 2 nukes was too far. 1 nuke would be a stretch and like someone else said they weren't given much time to surrender after that. They were done for they had nothing left and they were made to suffer for the actions their government made.
@bojangles8u, Why was there a need to continue fighting at all? Japan was done for and not doing anything else they just refused to sign a piece of paper declaring it so due to not wanting to admit defeat. It was revenge plain and simple. Britain didnt take revenge on the german citizens even though they were hit much much much worst than the US ever was.
@Rudolph Schmidt , I think it’s due to the Russians moving in and taking over Japan if we didn’t. Also, GB did get revenge, one particular case is the bombing of Dresden. It’s worth looking up but basically it’s argued that the British aimed primarily for the city and not war resources.
@Squares Town, cool motive, still a war crime
@Orlandude, Its for sure a war crime. Alot of ppl on here are from the states which is why they're disliking without putting an argument forth. It's okay to love your country but blindly supporting every decision made isnt good either. Theres not a right answer but I guess talking about opinions in a respectful way is a no go for the community.
@Rudolph Schmidt , I know downvoting can be annoying at times but it’s unrealistic to expect a response from every downvoter. And I wouldn’t go into a debate under the idea that if they don’t agree then they must be from the states and must be blind. It’s very possible that people just disagree and didn’t feel the need to articulate why. I wouldn’t take it personally
@Natural Sarcasm , Fair enough I'm certainly salty. I didnt go and dislike comments that I wholeheartedly disagreed with however. Theres no right answer here and everyone who did comment was super cool about it. No matter what way you look at it tho there were better options. I saw a historian talk about how the same effect could have been had if the bomb was dropped in Tokyo bay near the emperor or in a low population military base. I dont see how dropping 2 of the most devastating weapons ever built on 2 civilian populated cities was neccessary in a war that had already been won. If anyone deserved the nuke it was shïthole germany.
Well I think two was enough yes sir
@megamanx181x, well we can’t know for sure until we go for three *slams button*
@Natural Sarcasm , you’ll end the hentai!!
@megamanx181x, well it’s all we had so that’s a good thing.
Dropping the bomb was never about stoping the war. We killed more people in the fire bomb raids if we needed body counts It was about showing the world we could do it. Stalin won world war 2 and the sheer size and destruction the Russians could take and give scared people. The bomb was meant to keep the Russians in check and not over reach in post war concessions. The Russians had more casualties and destruction inflicted on them in the war than anyone else and it wasn’t close. Until the bombs on Japan they also inflicted the most damage. They also still had by far the largest army. Pretty much all American involvement in WW2 was to keep Russia in the war. As long as the red army was on the field you couldn’t win. But Russia was so beaten down that the allies worried they’d back out if Germany agreed to a cease fire even knowing that they’d get betrayed by hitler again.