Take note black girls
Maybe if men didn't constantly rage a war on women and offered birth control that wasn't insanely expensive you wouldn't have to pay child support
@skinnybitch, you're possibly one of the dumbest human beings on the planet. I mean seriously, men "raging"* a war on women? It any war is taking place it's media and academia vs. men. No one's at war with women you cuck. And birth control is a two way responsibility. Unless the woman was raped, then no one forced her to have unprotected sex.
* Pro-tip, its "waging" war, not "raging" war, you brain-dead simpleton.
@Captain Swordsman, I think this person is an sjw troll
@Captain Swordsman, Jesus Christ learn how to take a joke
@Captain Swordsman, Jesus Christ learn how to take a joke. Way to be a d^ck.
@skinnybitch, "J-joke's on you guys! I-I-I was o-only pretending to be retarded!"
@Captain Swordsman, it's called sarcasm
@skinnybitch, I'll learn to take a joke when yoy learn to make a joke.
@skinnybitch, you wandered too close to poe's law my friend.
@ReeseBobby, next time I'll use jk after...
@Captain Swordsman, obviously you live under a rock and have never heard a basic feminist argument... I was mocking it. And next time I'll assume my audience is a bunch of morons that need to be lead to the "joke"
@skinnybitch, maybe next time you won't be am idiot who thinks sarcasm can be detected over text, especially when people like Liberachi unironically believe this shjt.
@Captain Swordsman, and maybe next time you won't jump to conclusions and be a d^ck
@skinnybitch, what you wrote had no indication of being satire and judging by the amount if downvotes most people would agree. It's a real argument that many people believe. Extra punctuation, parodying their use of caps, or taking the ideas you shared a level further would have made it more apparent that you were trying to parody feminists. Don't get upset with everyone else when they take you seriously when you wrote out a joke that should've been delivered vocally.
@Captain Swordsman, Liberachi is still alive?
@Captain Swordsman, dam I thought he was dead... and he's believing all that mess huh? Dam you liberachi.
@Captain Swordsman, oh cool. An issue we agree on. 👍 (not sarcasm)
@skinnybitch, learn how to make a joke. That's a joke the same way you're an intelligent person.
@AboutTreeFiddy, liberachi is a user on here who is a dumb POS that downvote trolls anyone who calls him out on his BS. Not the historical Liberachi.
@I Are Lebo, ouch. Way to engage in mental combat with the unarmed.
@Captain Swordsman, #captainswordsman
@I Are Lebo, oh lol well dam that liberachi too
@skinnybitch, condom=75cents keeping yo legs closes free. With grown up things comes grown up responsibilities. If you want some one to pay for your birth control get the guy you let hit it raw pay.
@floppyspark, my problem with that is this. If, as a man, I buy my girlfriend her birth control, she can, at any time, decide she wants to have a kid, stop taking her birth control without telling me, get pregnant, and I at no point will have the ability to legally protest any of this.
@I Are Lebo, Dude if I was a guy that would terrify me! I think if that happens guys should get a free pass to walk away. In this day and age, a baby doesn't need to be made unless it's wanted. Guys get a pretty raw deal in those situations! Take on the responsibility of raising a new little hooman you never wanted or walking away and messing up the little hooman. There's like NO WIN!
@Kayda, it's worse than you think. There is a man in the United States who had his sperm stolen from the sperm bank by a woman who then impregnated herself and successfully sued him for child support. This man is being forced by the United States government to pay the woman who stole his sperm to help her raise the offspring.
When I was a teenager, I had some problems with school (behaviour not academic) and as a result I failed grade 9 twice. I couldn't date anybody while I was in the last two years of high school because I'm terrible at guessing age and if I was wrong and she didn't tell me the truth, I would go to prison.
And feminists take the stance that all sexual issues are women's issues and men are the problem. Does this stuff sound like a part of a patriarchy?
@I Are Lebo, that's why you should always wear a condom if you really don't want a baby you can always trust yourself.
@I Are Lebo, I'm a believer there's issues on BOTH sides. Where the hell is male contraception huh? Why don't they have a choice over their bodies to make kids or not. Why isn't anyone talking about how guys don't complain that women get movies like magic mike but strip clubs are "sleezy"? Why can girls have sex toys but when men do it's creepy. Why can't men take time off work a few days a month if they're hormonal or just need some mental health days. Or god forbid you find a family calendar that doesn't say "mums rule the universe" bullsht on it.
@AboutTreeFiddy, alright, let me paint another scenario. You carry a condom with you at all times. Your girlfriend has decided that she wants to get pregnant, and even though you've told her that you're not ready for kids, and maybe even never will be, she has her mind made up. She pokes a hole in your condom without you knowing about it, and as a result she becomes pregnant.
You find this out after a week, no longer possessing the used condom as evidence.
Legally, you have no objection to this. You cannot opt out of being the father without serious legal consequences.
As a man in western culture, you do not have the right to opt out of fatherhood, even if you were an unwilling participant in becoming a father.
I think this is wrong, and I'm calling attention to it.
@I Are Lebo, yup! Any woman can opt out at any time but a man can not.
I could be tricked by someone and have a kid with them without wanting so. Then be dragged through the dirt and be forced to pay her MY money even if I had no want, and was tricked into having said child. Or I go to jail
@carguy25, I honestly don't think even something as extreme as getting a vasectomy would be security against that. It's still possible for a man to be forced to pay for another mans child as in the case of Thomas, an Oklahoma man whose wife cheated on him, and when the child was three a paternity test revealed conclusively that the child wasn't his. According to the State of Oklahoma that didn't matter because the test wasn't done before the child turned two.
@I Are Lebo, plus getting snipped is only temporary and most people generally re attach over time naturally.
@carguy25, regardless of that, that's an extreme route for men to have to take considering women can literally just slap on a patch.
What I don't understand is how feminists can lobby against a male contraceptive pill being funded, researched, or marketed. Outside of not wanting to lose that power, there is no argument against it.
Actually, that seems to be a good litmus test as to whether or not a particular feminist is actually for or against gender equality. The only reason to be against a hypothetical side effect free oral contraceptive for men is so that women retain the control of pregnancy.
@I Are Lebo, Similar case over here - couple deposited at fertility clinic and had child, so far so good. They then broke up, she later forged his signature on release paperwork for deposited generic material and had a second child of which he was the biological father but had no part in the conception of. He has to pay child support, sued the clinic which impregnated her without his consent and lost. Now has to support a child created without his involvement.
@Nellybert , these cases create precedents for more cases like them.
And people wonder why so many men are intrigued by the idea of a robot girlfriend.
As for me, I recognize my own issues with anger and recognize that if I were in a situation like these men, one way or another I'd end up in prison, and I'd rather just avoid the whole thing.
@I Are Lebo, At the end of the day, the child is an innocent party who shouldn’t suffer because of it - it’s just worrying how many trust issues are created by the level of sh*ttery that people are capable of.
@skinnybitch, you should be proud of yourself, I haven't ever seen the comment section this alive. It was actually pretty enjoyable to read it all, so thanks. Am I being sarcastic? You decide.
@skinnybitch, you see, jokes are funny. Try that next time
@I Are Lebo, woo! By those standards I pass the test! Although I've never considered myself a feminist (don't like the word) I do want true equal rights for everyone. We're humans first, nothing else should matter. (As long as we're nice, cos damn some people can be awful)
@Kayda, it feels like the people who argue the most over race or gender are the ones who refuse to let those differences cease to matter. Because that's the only way we will ever achieve any semblance of equal treatment is if the differences in what we are cease to matter, and the only things that do matter are our individual interests, aptitudes, and abilities.
I find we as humans tend to be so quick to lump ourselves and each other's into groups that we cease to see individuals, and yes, I do note the irony in me pointing this out.
@I Are Lebo, I completely agree! I mean I'm like some disabled gender neutral bisexual, but I don't go to pride or rant about any of that. I'm a person, those are just things about me, they don't make me special. Sadly I think a lot of people who rant about equal rights consider themselves special because they're in some minority group of something or other. You can't ask to be treated the same while simultaneously thinking you're different XD
@Kayda, for a long time I've struggled with my gender identity, but after puberty, I'm a non starter for any sort of existing transition. I'm 6'3", 250 lbs with huge hands and feet and broad shoulders. A million dollars couldn't get me half as far as Caitlin Jenner.
More recently, these feelings have finally begun to fade, and there's a part of me that wonders if my desires to be female are more based off this idea that women are more free than men in today's society.
There are a lot of things males are discouraged from doing, both in the public and at home. We're not allowed to appreciate 'pretty' or 'cute' things. Not without being labeled a 'pussy' or 'fäg', or even simply 'childish'.
I don't know. Maybe this trend is simply because most men don't care about these things, and most of the time I don't either. But I think it's basic human nature to not appreciate being told you are not permitted to do something based solely on a physical trait you had no control over.
@Kayda, I just find it odd that feminists talk about the patriarchy being all about the empowerment of men, when the masculine ideal in our society essentially is emotional repression. Men are told not to cry. Men are made uncomfortable to show any sort of vulnerability or talk about any serious emotional topics. We don't talk with each other about how we feel. We were never taught how to deal with our emotions, so we have no idea how to help our friends, and so we are even more uncomfortable when one of us do open up.
This is not a constant. Not everywhere is like this and not everyone is. But it seems pretty disproportionate to me, and what I've heard from friends and family on the topic hasn't disagreed.
I've also recently started to take issue with the ideal that's been passed around our society for a long time of the 'good' husbands' motto:
Your wife is always right. Even when she's wrong, she's right.
My own family follows this model, and it's always bothered me.
@I Are Lebo, I'm sorry to hear you've struggled with gender identity. When I was a kid I wanted to be a boy, but know I know it's not that, I just wanted to be allowed to play football and get chemistry sets instead of dolls etc. If I could give any advice on this, it would be "why bother even having a gender?" You can feel or do whatever the hell you want that makes you happy :) screw what people think.
I agree that guys just aren't allowed to express themselves emotionally. And you're right they can't be seen to like pretty things etc.
I'm a girl who likes football, motorbikes, pool, pubs and all things nerdy. But I also like girly crap too!
As for the "good husband" thing, I think that's crazy! You would never hear anyone say women need to be "good wives!"
@Kayda, and yet lots of people are very quick to judge men. I've seen a few videos recently showing some of the ways society has overbalanced on gender issues.
Just today I watched a video of a woman and a man (actors) taking pictures children swimming. The woman provoked no reaction, the man was scrutinized and suspicions were cast on his intentions. Men are treated increasingly like being suspected rapists and/or child molesters, solely for being male.
As a result, all professions that deal with children have been pursued by men less and less frequently, including teachers, early childhood educators, lifeguard at public pools, etc.
I hope this problem doesn't get worse before it gets better. The scandal in Hollywood doesn't fill me with confidence. It's one thing to be able to speak out against people in power abusing that power, that's a trend that's positive, but that trend is also feeding the trend about believing accusations without proof.
@Kayda, as a side note, have you ever heard the phrase "a happy wife is a happy life"?
@skinnybitch, You think you would stop commenting considering how many down votes you’re getting so shut the hell up.
No welfare for herd breeders
Yeah, but you also gotta pay it.