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I'm pretty sure Biden has a few more weaknesses. Like words... and physical social barriers with his hands...
@spongeblade, oooo! And creepily smelling little girls and woman’s hair in front of cameras!
@spongeblade, ... Simple math:
$1400 + $600+ $1200 stimmy checks =$2000 checks "out the door immediately"
and $3.5 trillion in spending = $0
People care way to much about this stair bullsh!t. How about we talk about how fvcking racist his policies are, or about the forever wars, or how hes planning to essentially make it impossible for a poor person to legally defend their own lives, oh but old man fall down is our main concern here.
@CocoasBro, you've learned too much. Time to go to the loony bin for "re-education".
@CocoasBro, bruh i was about to make the rookie mistake of downvoting you, until i read your whole post. You have my apologies and my approval, sic semper tyrannis
@Medic135, phew dodged that bullet.
@CocoasBro, mind explaiming the last bit there? Not following the poor ppl thing
@3345Stewie, I’m not 100% on specifics, but proposing fees to register 2nd amendment weapons. Like “well, you can own a gun, but you’ll need to register it and pay a $400 registration fee”
@3345Stewie, it wont be impossible to get a gun but will more than likely take so many hoops and legalese to jump through that its effectively illegal for the poor and middle class
@CocoasBro, I’m torn. Because a part of me is like “yeah but they voted for him so let me get screwed” but those of us that didn’t vote for him are getting screwed too
At least Claptrap is a wizard
@Nekozombie, and hilarious! I built him a gf in the last borderlands... then she left him 😂
This is easily my favorite version of this meme
Remember that time trump needed help going down that ramp! Haha.
@MrTuxPenguin, remember that time when people were able to laugh at things that are objectively funny and not bring politics into it?
@Awc123awc, Yea. The good old days.
It amazes me that conservatives still think they’re right even when everyone tells them otherwise.
@MrTuxPenguin, on which issue?
@MrTuxPenguin, oh no, the political opposites of conservatives say they're wrong. I guess that settles things. Forget logic, debate, right or wrong. Liberals said they're right so that settles everything.
@Natural Sarcasm , *crickets
@Natural Sarcasm , Just in general.
Black people say they’re being discriminated against, conservatives say they’re brainwashed.
Media says Trump is a liar, conservatives say the media biased.
Collage grads say democrats run the economy better, conservatives say schools are teaching liberal propaganda.
@spongeblade, Except one side has to be correct right?
What I told you I have the magic bullet to prove that democrats are in the right. Would you change your party?
@MrTuxPenguin, you really think one side has all the right answers?
@Natural Sarcasm , The way I see it, one side is willing to innovate.
(I’m speaking just for progressive party but...) things can be better. We’ve done the research, we have the numbers.
@MrTuxPenguin, not to sound presumptuous but I’m guessing from your answers that you’re relatively young?
@Natural Sarcasm , I try not to reveal my age or occupation.
People get caught up in stereotypes and if I meet even one I’m automatically written off.
@MrTuxPenguin, well fair enough, just a heads up your answers seem very contradictory and coming from someone who lacks experience. Just some constructive criticism
@Natural Sarcasm , Contradictory? How so?
@MrTuxPenguin, you claim the progressive side has all the right answers because they are the ones willing to innovate right after you dismissed the opinion of every conservative. How innovative can you be if you won’t hear out the other side?
You talk about conservatives as if they’re this tiny group that “everyone” is correcting and yet they number in the millions same as liberals
@Natural Sarcasm , Yes I dismissed the opinions of conservatives (not gonna lie, it was late at night and I felt like starting a fight. I could of phased it better).
But I do listen to the other side. I discus with a lot of conservatives on here even. The difference is that conservatives don’t have the facts to back up their claims. I can show you studies, articles, people that all prove my point.
And due to the way our politics are set up, you’re either left or right pretty much. And since there are more democrats than republicans, the right is in the minority. We can see this in the popular votes per president.
The Republican nomination hasn’t won a popular vote since Bush sr (except for bush jr in his election).
@MrTuxPenguin, so just to understand, you’re saying if you have two sides and more people believe one side then that side is correct?
@Natural Sarcasm , No. That is just in response to your statement that conservatives are the smaller group. They are. By a few million.
But also, yes to some degree. It’s like anti vaxers, or flat earthers. The majority of people don’t believe in those things because science says otherwise. And we all listen to doctors when they say to get vaccinated. We all believe astronomers when they say the earth is round.
@MrTuxPenguin, provided that the vote accurately demonstrates which people are conservative and which are liberal (which it doesn’t) you’re still playing down how big the group really is. If I said 75 people felt this way but 80 people felt another, does make the 75 insignificant?
And being on the popular side does not equate to being right. Sometimes popular side is right, like with flat earthers like you mentioned. Other times it’s wrong like when everyone was a flat earther and only a few people dared to say otherwise
@Natural Sarcasm , If I made the claim that there are more democrats than Republicans, how would you prove or disprove that?
True, people did believe that the earth was flat. But Eratosthenes (says Google) proved that it was round. Others confirmed it. And people believed it because he was a professional. He had the facts to back it up. Same as the progressives. There are facts to back up their claims.
@MrTuxPenguin, you couldn’t that’s the point, there were republicans that voted Biden and Dems that voted Trump and too many independents to get an accurate measurement of anything. The only conclusion you can draw is that Dems and republicans vastly outnumber the independents
@Natural Sarcasm , Why would republicans vote for Biden? Or visa versa?
@MrTuxPenguin, well people can feel as though a candidate doesn’t suit their agenda and vote against them. Tim Pool interviewed several democrats who thought Biden would do a bad job and said they were voting Trump. It happens
@MrTuxPenguin, not to be rude, but the reason many conservatives don't show you "sources" is for several reasons I'd presume. 1) this is a meme app and it's rather annoying to get sources. After the last election many conservatives don't want to engage with liberals because they think liberals are deluded and don't care about the facts, so just why bother. And you've explicitly said (here and previous posts) that your mind is made up and there's no changing it. On previous discussions with you on the election I provided numerous sources that you completely ignored .
@MrTuxPenguin, and most of your arguments are trite stereotypes that serve more to start fights than they do to rationalize discussions. You said earlier that you more just wanted to start a fight yesterday. I wasn't replying to you because that was quite obvious and I had 0ninterest in rationalizing an argument for so little. As for R v D, I'd say most conservatives like me don't really believe it's only R v D. I personally think the R party is rotten to the core and those politicians belong in prison as much as any D. I think there is a clear divide between the values of our politicians and the actual populous. Imo that's more or less how most conservatives feel and many liberals will side with the D government and media no matter what. Those beliefs were very strongly exacerbated after this past election and it really doesn't setup a good discussion. I'm not saying any of this to sound presumptious or to criticize you, but you asked a few questions and that's kinda how I think many
@MrTuxPenguin, conservatives view most of what you've said. Hope this helps you in some way.
@spongeblade, Well I’m glad you finally said it instead of just downvoting everything I say.
But I can say with absolute certainty that
1)I have never said my mind can’t be changed.
2) Conservatives don’t want to have conversations.
It may be hard to look up sources but that’s called research. Life doesn’t go on here say. And I’d appreciate it that if you’re going to make a statement you have actual evidence to back it up. (So much for liberals not believing in facts. We’re the only ones who actually use them).
But if you actually do want to have a conversation with facts here....
Here’s the facts. The proof. Prove me wrong.
@Natural Sarcasm , I’d like to see that interview. Where can I see it?
But just so I’m clear, if a D voter doesn’t like Biden, they’re going to vote for the opposite party? The party that is the complete opposite in terms of policies rather than not vote or write in someone else?
@MrTuxPenguin, what you posted, like most of your "sources" are opinion pieces and you pass them as facts. You said "ngl it was late at night and I felt like starting a fight", "conservatives don't have facts", and how about your og post on here "it amazes me conservatives still think they're right even when everyone tells them otherwise". The fact you don't understand why those type of blanket statements are deluded is why I no longer bother with you to post sources. That doesn't mean I don't do research, it simply means I don't care enough to take the time to close this app, open the others, and sift through everything to prove a point that you've already declared you won't believe.
@MrTuxPenguin, I wish I could help there. Tim Pool uploads about a billion new videos a day and this was back in fall. The girl he brought on his show has been on a few times before I believe. She’s a member of the LGBT and they were discussing why she left the left
@MrTuxPenguin, and when you say "conservatives don't want to have conversations" you very much are missing my point. Its not that conservatives like me don't want to have discussions, we very much do. It's that we don't care to have discussions with deluded people like you. You ignore every fact presented, then you use crappy opinions and pass them as fact on your liberal high horse. Sources are important, but you act like that's game-set-match. The sources you pull are very low surface opinion pieces that are easy to snag and say "oh looking I have a source therefore I'm right". Most discussions take a few minutes or more to find good sources. And when you have a long discussion that takes a lot of time. I'd assume most people right or wrong have "sources" for all of their arguments, but I dont demand they provide one to prove their point, especially on a meme app. You fit the braindeadbliberal stereotype perfectly l, here and all the other posts I've talked with you. I've seen your
@MrTuxPenguin, posts and engaged with you enough to know you won't change your mind. It doesn't matter how well I rationalize something, or if I have definitive sources. You believe you're right and the only point of you arguing is to feel better about yourself or so you can win. Popular opinion is just that, opinion, not fact. You mentioned the flat earth debate. Well flat earth's were the "popular" belief and the best scientists of the day promoted it. Science did disprove them, but it was considered "conspiracies" and the "real science" proved the earth was flat. Basically the "sources" of the day "proved" the earth was flat. Over time logic won out, but not because of popular belief or "because that's what all the scientists say". But you use the same failed type of arguments and ignore the logic.
@spongeblade, How is it an opinion piece? It’s got numbers, graphs, data, history, facts, all good stuff. It’s not an option piece haha. This is why I say conservatives don’t have any facts.
You do see the hypocrisy here right? You calling me delusional when you won’t accept anything that goes against your thinking.
Give me a non opinion article. What should I look for?
Here’s an article from Princeton saying the same thing.
I can keep going if you’d like.
@Natural Sarcasm , Hey help me out here. What’s the difference between an opinion and a fact? And how can one tell the difference?
@MrTuxPenguin, for starters the "evidence" you gave had nothing to do with the discussion and you act as that proved anything you said. Then you didn't actual say how the article proves anything you said. It's opinion because all that article does is say D have better econimc growth, but it doesn't take into account any of the numerous variables that go into economic growth. It didn't say anything about D v R policies that contributed to the growth, just who was in office while it occurred. (Correlation vs causation). It tries to dismiss the fact that the data heavily relies on older presidents for skewing the data without mentioning why taking into account older presidents isn't that accurate to the discussion. (Values now are quite a bit different). And to your childish comment of me not providing sources in this discussion as hypocritical, you clearly haven't understood my previous points. From previous discussions with you that I did provide sources that you ignored, I QUIT CARING
@MrTuxPenguin, to actually rationalize that much with you because I don't believe (as you've stated before) that you want to learn. You've made up your mind. So I more interested in just telling you off at this point because I don't see the value in trying to convince you of anything.
@MrTuxPenguin, oh look, you just copy pasted links from every liberal site you could. That lazy bs is why I'm not bothering. Those "fact checker" sites are definitively liberal bias sources. That's not really a debate for anybody that's follows things closely. But somebody like you that wants to further an agenda without critically thinking about it those sites are perfect. You are the exact target of those propaganda sites and I see 0 value in trying to prove anything to you.
@MrTuxPenguin, it usually depends on the framing of the information and how the numbers were pulled. As far as opinion based articles it usually specifies in the heading that it’s an op add.
I can’t click on any of the links but the Princeton one is probably the only one I’d say carries much weight. Politifacts has been getting pretty biased but used to be a good source. And the New York Times has really gone down hill. They recently published an article describing how a “cabal” of elites helped censor conservatives for the sake of “fortifying the election”
@Natural Sarcasm , So since my article doesn’t say that it’s an opinion, pulls numbers from a variety of places, references the Princeton paper (which came before the article) how opinionated do you think the original article is?
@MrTuxPenguin, I’m not sure, going off that it doesn’t sound like an opinion piece but I’d really have to see the article. Whats the title and I’ll look it up
@Natural Sarcasm , The economy under democratic vs Republican president.
Here’s the link to double check it.
@Natural Sarcasm , the link didn't work for me when I tried it. I essentially put the title into google and it brought it up if it doesnt work for you.
@MrTuxPenguin, alright, well my phones gunna die so I’m gunna charge it for a bit then I’ll look at the article (just to explain the delay)
Even trump thinks so!
And speaking of trump, I didn’t mean actually fighting. I mean to enforced my beliefs.
@Natural Sarcasm , Dude no worries. It’s just politics.
@MrTuxPenguin, that article just further illustrates my point that you're a lemming pushing propaganda you don't understand. I highly doubt you read more than the headline. Which is exactly what those propagandists count on. In the interest of debate, despite that it's a waste breath, I read the full article. At the very top it states that it's an "OPINION" article. Secondly, it doesn't quote Trump a single time in the article. It says Trump admitted that in the title, but nowhere in the article does it show that Trump said that. The article also explicitly states that the author is a full Clinton supporter (that's very explicitl bias). The source it uses is polifact (widely known as liberal) to quote Bill Clinton to support the idea that the economy is better under D. The author rated it as true! But there was no justification why. The entire article makes claims and just assumes it should be believed because......well.......it's a "news" article....so it must be true.........
@MrTuxPenguin, I you want to have a real fact based debate then don't just keep throwing articles as proof because you like the headline. Our media is extremely biased/corrupt and heavily counts on people looking at the headlines and not reading the full article. They especially count on people not challenging the authenticity of the information. Moat of these liberal sites write an opinion article and present it as fact. Then the other media outlets will cite the opinion piece as "proof" of yet another claim. The articles you listed that I bothered to read were serious offenders of those things and I explained them as detailed as I can on this app.
@spongeblade, 2nd paragraph, half way through, “Donald was absolutely right when he told Wolf Blitzer in 2004:...”
Finish the quote for me. Teamwork.
@MrTuxPenguin, I know I can get a bit abrasive with politics. But I keep seeing you post the same crap I see in these articles and then you get on a high horse to say conservatives don't offer any proof and are wrong, then what you submit as "proof" is nothing more than unsubstantiated bias opinions and I'm sick of hearing that bs. Read the articles and try to critically think about them. You need to make sure the numbers add up, that they don't originate from a bias source to begin with, and make sure the number are manipulated to make them fit an argument. Or make sure that they're flat out fabricated. I'm not saying R media is free of bad "news". I trust Fox as little as I trust CNN. Most, if not all of our current media is extremely corrupt and lies with nearly every word they say because it furthers their own agendas of power/greed.
@spongeblade, Look, I do get on my high horse. I’ll admit. But I see conservatives on here (you included) just trash talking the left. And I wouldn’t mind if you guys cited anything. Literally anything.
Where do you get your information from? If you don’t trust the media, How are you informed on anything? Yes that Forbes article was meant to incite you. But what about the original article I linked? What about the Princeton paper?
I’m still waiting for you to show me any proof of what I’m saying is wrong. My critical thinking tells me that it is impossible for the entirety of the media to be biased. No one is interested in the truth? Just because you don’t like what a news source is saying doesn’t mean it’s biased.
@MrTuxPenguin, I read that first article about the economy under democratic vs Republican presidents. It didn’t seem like an opinion, and I didn’t see anything saying it was. The information is more or less open ended, we’ve had successful democrats as presidents at least as far as the economy goes but even the article points out that they don’t know why that is. It’d be interesting to see this graph with trump added as he was really good for the economy. I wonder how he compared to the rest
@MrTuxPenguin, alright, I'll admit I issued that since it's the tail end of the paragraph and not a full quote. The link to the video of the interview is no longer available on youtube. (Maybe censorship). The quote leaves out context too and doesn't mention Trump saying Republicans had good economies too. Trump did say Rs had some disasters. He was referring to Bush which he's never liked and heavily criticized. I fully agree Bush was trash. It was also from 2004. Things have changed much since then if we're talking about which party to choose going forwards. But back to what I said when you first brought up that idea. R v D economies doesn't prove anything else you've stated.
@MrTuxPenguin, my source on the interview was a transcript I found was on my computer and I'm not typing out the link. Put the quote into Google with the date, wolf Blitzer etc and it should pop up. The media very much can be all biased. Most of the sources I get depend on the subject. I dont really have a goto source. Sometimes there are good articles in the media, but its usually layered under a bunch of conjecture. I look for the actual quotes in full, videos of events, transcripts, actual data then I make up my own mind what it means and ignore what is said that it means if it sounds like conjecture.
@MrTuxPenguin, and as for conservatives not citing stuff. Refer to my earlier comments as abrasive as the may be. When most conservatives are bashing the left, we're just straight up mocking the left. You cite stuff when you want to prove to someone that what you're saying is correct. When you mock somebody you don't care if they believe you.
So don’t know exactly what article you found but... Two articles and a video where trump says it (in 2004). Trump even defended democrats when Wolf said that the economy wasn’t the best under Carter.
Regardless, multiple sources confirm the same thing. Even now.
@spongeblade, Why can’t this be true?
@MrTuxPenguin, when the interests of the media align with that of the government and they are all directly tied together, its quite easy to think they help one another. They are often friends and even have many family connections. One example is the Cuomo brothers. One is the NY governor the other is a main CNN anchor. If you look at the overall message pushed by Democrats and the media, it's very clearly a liberal ideology that's shared. Take the election. The media as a whole, and big tech, very aggressively said that we had a fair election. Who doesn't agree? The 75 million people that voted for Trump. Could it just be crying? If it was then we wouldn't have accepted Obama for 8 years. Many conservatives didn't like Obamas policies, but never disputed that he won. The (near) entirety of the media saying that the election isn't disputed is 100% bias. You can think it was fair, but to say it's not disputed is a flat out lie that pushed by the media. Then big tech has been flat out ban
@spongeblade, banning anybody that dares say the election is contested. Again, agree with with results or not, you can't say it's not contested. That's one example, but its the same, or at least very close to the same, pattern with most issues.
@MrTuxPenguin, for your links, I really don't see what point you're trying to make? Idc about R v D economies. It's easy to argue either way till you're blue in the face and after a year straight you won't have a consensus.
@spongeblade, First off
Second off, you don’t think that the person who first started claiming that the election was rigged had anything to gain from it? I’m talking about trump.
Trump is a sore loser. There’s evidence of that too. What there isn’t any evidence of is voter fraud.
This is what I meant with my original comment, literally everyone said that there was no voter fraud. They had no proof. And the news just reported that.
Why would you believe trump over everyone else?
@MrTuxPenguin, my point wasn't to debate the election. I gave you plenty of articles with proof on a post months ago and I'm not going to waste my breath on that with you again. My point was that it IS DISPUTED right OR wrong. But the media unilaterally says it's not disputed. Can you honestly say the election isn't disputed by a large portion of the country?
@spongeblade, Yes. I can say that. Everyone can say that. Because the only person saying that there was fraud is trump. And he has no proof.
Would you say that the shape of the earth is disputed?
@spongeblade, I’m gonna answer that for you actually. No. Because only crazy people thing the earth is flat.
If the news says that the election was disputed, then that implies that there’s a trial going on. That it hasn’t been confirmed. It has. No voter fraud. Trump lost.
@spongeblade, I also want to say that you’re basing your entire argument off of the fact that you didn’t like what how the media said something.
@MrTuxPenguin, the fact you can't even say "people don't agree" with an issue is exactly why I said I don't care to argue with you. If you can't even admit that it's possible a group of people don't think like you, then you truly are a self righteousness, entitled, brainwashed dipfvck. Even though I don't agree with liberals on much, I'm not so full of myself that I'd say "liberals dont even have a different idea with how things should be done". My goodness you truly are a halfwit if you can't even think its possible for somebody to have a different opinion.
@MrTuxPenguin, on second thought its a good idea. I have decided that you agree with me. You are no longer liberal. You are a full fledged Trump supporter. You believe everybody should own a gun. You think liberals are idiots. You think China sucks. You think BLM is a Marxist group etc
@spongeblade, I’m glad you now know what BLM people feel like. Congrats. 🎉
I know people have different opinions. They’re wrong though. Because you still haven’t given me any evidence like you said you would!
@MrTuxPenguin, ahahahahhahaha. You truly are deluded.
@spongeblade, You promised me evidence. Proof. I have received none.
@MrTuxPenguin, I quite explicitly said I thought you're delusional, have 0 interest in convincing you of your delusions, don't want to waste my breath getting article links etc. If you think I promised you something else its only further proof of your delusions.
@spongeblade, Ok. Just know you’re proving my point. Conservatives don’t want to have a conversation. And they have no facts.
@MrTuxPenguin, ahahahahahaha, enjoy living in your delusional fantasy land.
@Natural Sarcasm , So I just wanted to come back and say, after actually doing research on what laws were passed in Georgia I don’t mind them. I do think we should be moving towards Mail in voting but yes it’s not restrictive. (Not like how the Bill used to be).
@MrTuxPenguin, well I’m glad you took the time to read through it. Now out of curiosity since you’ve read it how do you feel about the media calling it Jim Crow 2.0?
@Natural Sarcasm , Haha Jim Crow laws 2.0. That’s a good one. It’d be hard to beat Jim Crow laws. (I’m not laughing at you btw).
But who’s saying that it is? In fact, USA Today has an article saying that it’s not.
@MrTuxPenguin, the place I see it the most is YouTube I’ve seen the add about it being Jim Crow 2.0 a few times now. Apparently Biden said it was “Jim Crow on steroids”. The mlb changed venues for the all star game because of the bill as well
Go to google and type “Joe Biden Jim Crow laws” and a bunch of articles should pop up
@Natural Sarcasm , So I’m curious because I saw a documentary on how Google (in particular) shows different results to different people. When you Google “Joe Biden Jim Crow laws” what are the top results?
@Natural Sarcasm , Is it an ad slamming Joe Biden? Because that falls under propaganda.
After googling what you told me to Google, the only things I see are “yes Biden said that, here’s what the law does”. And Biden said that when Conservatives were trying to pass some really restrictive laws.
@MrTuxPenguin, my top result was a cnn article covering comments Biden made, followed by a bunch of other news organizations
Edit: oh wait I typed in “Joe Biden Jim Crow” no laws. It’d be weird if that mattered though lol
@Natural Sarcasm , Haha yea. I’d have rethink my political party of it did.
But it seems like same results pop up.
(Since CNN can’t be trusted) you see the one from BBC? Biden: Georgia voting restrictions law is ‘atrocity’. (That’s the name of the article).
What do you think of that article?
@MrTuxPenguin, I’ll have to go through that one here in a bit. So wait you don’t believe CNN can be trusted? I was under the impression that most democrats supported that news outlet
So far I’ve just read their article which was unbiased for about three or four paragraphs lol
@Natural Sarcasm , From what I’ve seen, CNN and MSNBC are pretty left.
BBC on the other hand is pretty good though. Even though conservatives call it leftist, it’s not.
@MrTuxPenguin, well that’s a pleasant surprise. Idk much about BBC but we are in agreement about CNN
@Natural Sarcasm , Yea BBC, USA Today, Politico, Washington Post, are the most trusted news sources for a reason. They aren’t bought by anyone. It’s a free, independent market and not controlled by some leftists cabal.
Did you get a chance to look over that article I linked to your about the economy?
@MrTuxPenguin, I did, I actually messaged you back about it last night if you scroll up
@Natural Sarcasm , I missed that completely haha.
I was curious to see how Trump stacked up too. And yes some luck is credited, but it also says it’s credited to “good luck and good policy”. Depends on how much you trust lick I guess haha.
but I’m gonna link you this real quick.
It’s just a graph of the nation’s GDP starting in 1950 till 2020. (You can zoom in using the little sliders at the bottom).
@MrTuxPenguin, is everyone half the country? Modern definitions escape me so often
@MrTuxPenguin, less than half to be honest
@Natural Sarcasm ,
Maaaan this is maturing nicely
@seeUpee, yeah I just got find the motivation to read more articles lol I just got home from work, did yard work, now all I want is beer and sleep. I’ll have to book mark this for later
@Natural Sarcasm , sleep tight honey bun!
All the homo
@Medic135, Little more than half the country. I think the split is 60-40? (Do’s favor).
@MrTuxPenguin, 60-40? Is that people who answered a poll in downtown New Jersey or something?
@Medic135, I actually don’t know what NJ leans towards.
But here it is divided up. (I know it says Independent is the highest but most Independent will vote Dem. if that was the case Elizabeth Warren would of been president in 2016 haha).
@spongeblade, You know, I just thought of something. You’re not listening to the right media! (I mean that in every way. It’s a pun).
You can look up Cato institute, Prager U, Sarah Palin’s news paper, One news network. See how they tell the truth.
@MrTuxPenguin, I just finished reading this whole thread.
I think you should go back and read it again.
Male, 35 year old, middle school science teacher. Independent.
Your ability to research and be impartial needs a lot of work.
Try getting out of a right left mindset. You are VERY set on that idea. Try meeting people in the middle, try listening to what you consider to be conservative news sources regularly in addition to your own preferred source. You will better understand their view once you do that. It is clear you don't stray too far from your ecosystem often. You seem to have "won some arguments" (probably by throwing too much information out at people). The thing is, there is no such thing as winning if the only outcome is digging into your own ideas. If you come away without new understanding, you lost.
Please try to get out of the 2 side political mindset.
Good luck, and thanks to you and the others for the read!
@spongeblade, I know this is a long thread, and tension got high, but name calling will just make people dig in their heels.
Try giving people an out when showing they are incorrect. It goes a long way. They may not take it, but when they do, it allows them to agree with you while saving face. It occurs in this thread a few times, and it always brings the conversation back to civility.
Do you notice any times it happened?
It is a pretty cool skill to learn don't you think?
@Natural Sarcasm , great job keeping this thread going. It is a shame it was hard to keep it all focused with all the information that was getting thrown out.
I recommend making a short list at the start of a conversation to keep things focused. If an opponent refuses to remain focused, it is a lot easier to duck out with those initial parameters as a valid excuse.
I believe you had all the right to back out after a dozen articles were linked, it would have been hard to do so without it feeling like a loss of sorts. I sure didn't see a clean out that wouldn't lead to tuxpenguin chalking up an unearned "v", and I think you realized that as well.
So credit to keeping with it, reading links and your persistence!
I doubt tuxpenguin will change too much due to a funny pics forum thread, but who knows how much impact this fun app has on our long term perspectives.
Again, thank you all for the wonderful read, I hope you all got something out of it to actually make a meaning from it all!
@spongeblade, post your sources. You didnt post the rest of his quote or bring up any info to show your side has any kind of backing in the analytical side of things. All we have in this is your very biased opinion with a serious lack of facts or numbers backing your opinion. The election was fair there is dispute by people like you but no bias occured. Many many third parties tried to prove and disprove a bias and only the ones trying to prove no bias showed any kind of success.
The thing I like the least about conservatives is their deep seated bond with religion which i personally think is bs and not backed by logic so an entire party being highly influenced by religion is already a red flag.
Also all this bias that occurs in media is pretty much directly caused by Reagan just look up the fairness doctorine that used to be a guideline for news that is now "news". Republicans only have themselves to blame for biased news really and it's sad but you should really hate reagan.
@MrTuxPenguin, 6 months later, but I would invite you to a Discord where we can have a well formatted proper discussion of all of this thread. You have strange views of reality, and a warped idea of why Conservatives don't want to talk to you. Come on over, I'll post an invite if you want, it will be open to everyone.
@MrTuxPenguin, personally if you believe either party is totally correct, you’re an idiot.
@JoeJoestar, I don’t. I just think one party is less bad than the other.
They may not do anything but at least they’re talking about what needs to happen.
Let's go Brandon!