Fvck it, I'm just happy to see this meme again
@SimonPetrikov, we need more people like you.
Pay for thousands of men that are overwhelmingly rapey to come into your country or else your a racist. That word is pushing it's effectiveness too far.
@Hotchkiz, who downvoted you correcting your own grammar? And why???
@Hotchkiz, I don't know how practical it is, but I'd always chose letting people in and having good security curb out the problems. Blocking everyone just keeps people who don't deserve it out. Prob "racist" to keep an eye on refugees too. Its not unreasonable to have suspicion of something foreign, but its also bad to be to just straight up block everyone. We did it to the jews, I'd rather not let history repeat in some way
@Hotchkiz, it's racist because they aren't all rapists. The overwhelming majority of them want to flee their home country, which is being ruled by maniacs, so they and their families can have better lives. The problem is some of the maniacs are leaving, too.
@I Are Lebo, refugees are only refugees if they intend to eventually return to their homes. Ignoring that, it is cheaper and safer for everyone involved to house feed and keep them in their own region, largely due to the fact that many of them aren't even literate in their own language, let alone german/English/etcetc. Which makes dealing with them once they get here troublesome, and makes them even attempting to follow local law and customs practically impossible to begin with. I'm all for helping people that need it, but the current method of boat large numbers of bewildered refugees from one, very dogmatic culture into a starkly contrasting first world setting and praying that things go well doesn't seem to be working out.
@Dexios S Divine, You say to let refugees in and let good security curb out the problems, then say it's racist to keep an eye on them because they're refugees so how exactly does that work? You can't "curb out problems" when you're going to turn a blind eye to everything for the sake of political correctness.
@The Necromancer, a little misconception that may clear things up for you. A refugee is an immigrant whose idea for immigrating wasn't theirs. Eventually going home is not part of that designation. My grandparents all came to Canada after WW2 because even with the conclusion of the Holocaust, Europe was still not particularly safe for the Jews. Do not forget that a lot of Jews came to the USA as refugees. Do yourself a favour and google the 'Jewish refugees world war 2'. None of those folks had any intention of going back to where they came.
Secondly, yes it is cheaper for them to stay home. Unfortunately, this isn't an economic issue, it's an issue of freedom and safety. Their countries are being led by psychopaths without oversight.
Nobody is throwing refugees from a third world country into a first world setting and "praying that things go well". This issue is much more complicated than CNN is making it out to be, and the thing that you have to remember is that not one single...
@The Necromancer, attack from a Syrian refugee has been committed on American soil.
As for France, they've been having issues with the Muslim extremists for longer than America has. It's easy to confuse things when American media literally makes everything that happens in the world somehow be about America, but it is not an accurate picture.
Let's just put it this way: unless you are a Native American, in which case you have a whole host of other problems, your ancestors came to the West as immigrants. Regardless of when that was, statistically speaking, someone was pissed off by it. But if the majority then had taken the attitude that so many people are willing to take now about Muslims, you wouldn't be where you are now.
Irish, Italians, British, Jews, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, the list of peoples who have at one point or another flocked to the USA and been resented for doing goes on and on. Your country was LITERALLY built on immigration.
@I Are Lebo, you show me an American that is against immigration and I'll show you a hypocrite that's forgotten his own history.
@I Are Lebo, it isn't the immigration. It's the ILLEGAL immigration, for the hundredth time. Do the paperwork. Pay the fee. Wait in line. Can't get much simpler than that.
@The Necromancer, That's a point that always seems to get forgotten - the idea of seeking asylum was always that you fled a bad thing, but if it got better you went home.
We've actually kinda screwed over some countries by letting all the people who could afford to leave (I.e. The middle classes - so the educated people, entrepreneurs, doctors etc) come over, so their home countries suffer because of the 'brain drain' effect.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, you need to do some research about what is actually involved in emigrating to the United States. It is not a matter of waiting in line. Currently, it takes YEARS to get through the process of becoming an American citizen, because the process has been altered to be as difficult as possible.
This is also irrelevant. The Syrian refugees aren't illegal immigrants. They are REFUGEES. They are fleeing an authority that would kill them simply for wanting to leave. They literally do not have the luxury of going through the process to emigrate. They would not survive the process.
The USA has a problem with illegal immigration now because of how they handle legal immigration. This is a problem that only exists because of bureaucratic bullshït.
This is something that I have learned first hand.
@I Are Lebo, you said "show me an American that's against immigration", therefore the topic is immigration not refugees. I never said it was easy. But is IS the legal way to gain citizenship. Americans have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration. Moving to the topic of refugees: Trump said hold off on accepting refugees until we can develop a more effective vetting process, and the Left wants to call him racist without coming up with ideas of their own to improve the vetting process. Just like you, the Left are masters at changing the subject.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, you literally just changed the topic to Donald Trump, so you complaining about me briefly switching gears from refugees to immigration makes you a hypocrite. But I'll address your points anyway.
Firstly, yes, most types of illegal immigration are a problem. I don't refute that. But many Americans are very vocally against ANY type of immigration, legal or not. America is showing a level of xenophobia today that is unmatched by anything in the last fifty years, and while Trump is not the cause of it, you cannot deny that he is exacerbating the problem.
Anyone who denies that Trump is a racist is a willfully ignorant person that I have zero interest in talking to. Taking that stance requires ignoring everything he has said about Mexicans, everything he and his family have done to black people (in large part refusing to rent to them), and all of the garbage hate that he spews on social media.
Donald Trump's stance on refugees isn't what makes him racist, his racist
@I Are Lebo, then I guess you'll have zero interest in talking to me and the other thirty states that voted for him. So much for the tolerant Left. Have a good one.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, comments do.
As for left and right, the tribalistic mindset that is the cause of the majority of strife in the western world, I refuse to buy into that bullshït. Both Democrats and Republicans have morons, psychos, and self serving assholes in their groups. Both sides push forth short sighted agendas, both sides are out to help themselves, and both sides pass policies that are dumb as hell.
It is EASY to say "this is what is wrong with the Left" or "this is what is wrong with the Right" and use that to feel superior. In the end it accomplishes nothing. Straw man tactics help no one.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, I am not a member of the Left. I am fairly certain I just made that clear.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks,”
"He’s a Mexican. We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings – rulings that people can’t even believe" - spoken about an American judge born in Indiana.
"Who the f knows? I mean, really, who knows how much the Japs will pay for Manhattan property these days?”
"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.”
All direct quotes from Trump.
@Zack Fair, rasict was in quotations my dude.. im guessing you dont know that translates to sarcasm to most people?
@I Are Lebo, I heard making a valid point was hard. Please gtfo
@Torq Rinch, you have no authority over me
@Torq Rinch, feel free to go fück yourself.
@I Are Lebo, I have all the authority. Please feel free to hang yourself or gtfo my funny pics.
@Torq Rinch, I'll reiterate. You have no way of compelling me to do anything.
Like me, dislike me, or ignore me. You cannot stop me.
Funny pics isn't yours, but you can have this: 🖕🏻
@I Are Lebo, funnypics is all mine. I can stop you so you might as well quit. I'll ship you some rope.
@Dexios S Divine, Yeah you're right, we should let all refugees in, despite the reports of mass rape in the countries that have taken them in, then wait for them to rape someone before we send them back. How do you explain that to the rape victims? "Sorry you got raped by people that had no right to be here, we just didn't want to hurt their feelings by turning them away, even though we've seen this happen in other countries already." People like you are absolutely pathetic. Zero common sense whatsoever. We've seen what happens when we let these people in, there's no reason to let them in. They can sort out their problems over there, they're not our responsibility. But you would rather let them come in and put our own people at risk just so you can polish your good guy badge a little. Anyway if we let them in I hope no one you know ends up getting raped like the many, many, others that have been in the countries that were foolish enough to allow this.
@Zack Fair, Did you read anything on this, there is no "mass rapings". You dumbasses and your islamiphobia are just scared shïtless over anything different. Yeah crime is going to happen, but you're really willing to let families die from starvation or from trying to go anywhere at all even if the trip kills them? The odds of criminals comming to the u.s are slim, we have vetting thats worked. Sure, someone will slip through whos a problem, but you don't shut a whole business down when you lost a few hundred now do you? Show some heart and grow a pair, this fear of mass criminals hiden in a group of desperate people is whats retarded.
@Zack Fair, no, I don't like islam, I don't like religion in general. But framing every single person who follows islam as a woman beating head chopping villian is beyond stupid. We've been letting people in from that region for quite some fücking time now dude, I've yet to hear some "mass raping" or crime waves happen here from refugees.
@Dexios S Divine, nobody brought up Islam until you did but how predictable you would throw in some kinda of "phobia". And do your homework, this is well documented, the rapes are happening. And letting in potential criminals isn't exactly my idea of growing a pair. Having the balls to speak up and say this isn't a good idea even though it'll get people's panties in a bunch, like you for example. You're so piss scared of being called any sort of "phobic" that you let everything go because god forbid someone *gasp!* calls you islamophobic! But again, you're right, let's let them all in and the rape victims or the victims of any other crime are just collateral damage. They have nothing to offer us, they're going to be a strain on the tax payers to take care of, and even though cowards like you don't have the guts to face the facts and statistics because they're "islamophobic", it's going to put people in danger. But hey it makes you feel good, so why not?
@Zack Fair, o no my poor sjw heart. Its not growing a pear to leave people to die who we put in a shït situation. And yes, its islamiphobia, not with you sure, but every dumbass argument ive heard so far is that "they wont fit in", "they'll try and change the laws". Yet here we are with muslims in our country with none of that happening on a large scale. The rapings are happening over in Europe, everything is closer there. Easy to dodge border control and vetting with all the hysteria right now. You hear any of that in the u.s from the refugees and muslims we already have here? Fücken no. Trumps travel ban is doing nothing but blocking the people we vet from getting in, the ones we're sure aren't going to cause problems. Nothing is %100 but it's unreasonable to expect that out of anything.
@Dexios S Divine, I'm wasting my time here so I'll make this my last post and you can have the last word. What it comes down to is you want to let people in, admittedly knowing that it puts others at risk when they should have never been here in the first place, and anyone that gets raped or killed is just collateral damage so you can feel like you're morally superior. Except it's not moral because, again, this has been reported in several countries that people are getting raped by refugees. And you never answered my question, how would you explain it to a woman that got raped by a refugee? Would you seriously tell her "sorry, we knew this would happen in some cases but we didn't want to seem mean by keeping people out." If even a single person gets raped or murdered by refugees that we should've never let in, it's on the heads of people like you that are fine with this because you think it makes you a caring person. Well, caring about the refugees at least. The victims not so much.
@Zack Fair, iiiits, nooot, haaappening, iiin, aaammmerrriccaaa. Get it through your head dude. We already have refugees from people fleeing the shït storm that is syria, we've been vetting them while obama was president. The reports are from europe, not here, europe. Those were the people we blocked, we're letting in the sane, non fücked up people here, for fücks sake dude. Stop putting sjw babble shït in my text. Rape happens, murder happens. Are we going to block every mexican now? Or every british and hispanic people now because they have criminals too? Oh, how about kicking every white American out since theres more of them that are criminals? Piss off with using outliers as your base of argument, theres more civil people fleeing than there are criminals. We have the vetting to let just the civil people in and with lower chances of a criminal in.
@Torq Rinch, rrrrriiiiight. Okay. Go ahead.
@Dexios S Divine, prevention is better than cure.
@Doctor Krieger, which we do with vetting, has obviously worked so far
it's not racist if it's true
@MattiBRaps, then it's good it isn't true
@Donald Drumpf, Hmmm...
@Donald Drumpf, do you just chose to completely ignore facts, and remain willingly ignorant - or actually as stupid as your comments make you appear?
@big freedom, and these mass rapes happened when?
@Donald Drumpf, since the refugee crisis began. Sweden and Germany showing exactly what happens when you completely open up the gates without the infrastructure to maintain society order.
@big freedom, and yet there's no evidence to support it, imagine that
@Donald Drumpf, you're right. Except for all of the evidence that there is supporting it. You can chose to ignore it and say it doesn't exist. Doesn't make it true.
@big freedom, then find some from a reputable source, btw breitbart isn't reliable
@Donald Drumpf, I've never once read breitbart. You should lay off the VOX though
@big freedom, I'm honestly curious if you can link me to any legitimate examples of evidence. (Not saying you're lying or anything, just want to read through)
@big freedom, and I've never read Vox. I just have the common sense to know that no developed country would ever willingly allow any individual, let alone a group, to "mass rape" its citizens and do nothing.
@Donald Drumpf, exactly, and it frustrates me so much that people repeat history without realizing it generation to generation to generation. In 1924 we restricted Eastern European immigration out of xenophobia. History has proven that to be ridiculous. Throughout the 1930s and 40s we were scared to bring in jewish refugees because *some* might be disguised spies or German agents. Obviously that was horrible and history has proven that to be ridiculous. It's the same thing over and over again with this country, all out of fear and paranoia, and every generation comes up with some excuse as to why this and that group is different.
@Blue Shirted Guy, a good way to tell if an action is ridiculous is when the main reason for it is "to protect our women"
@big freedom, except the evidence suggests that refugees are the smallest offender group... so you have that going against you. And yes that's on a per capita basis.
@TheMonkeyGod, where do you get your data?! Because my sources tell me rapes went up 400% since the "refugee" crisis began. Go watch computing forever's video the truth about Sweden.
@MattiBRaps, it isn't true. That's why it's racist.
@big freedom, I'm asking for a single source of legitimate evidence that I can read through. That seems like a very simple and reasonable request, even on funny pics. Especially when you call someone stupid and imply there's a lot of evidence. Not trying to win an argument, just want to know the facts.
@Galven, your sources are garbage then... here is one if my sources. http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
Oh look. Is that the official Swedish Government website?
So what is your source. You and the other twat waffle keep saying about them, but fail to provide them.
@Blue Shirted Guy, they have the best ones. The are huge. Bigly even. They know people. The best people. They have the best facts... they just lack the capability of backing anything up with them or providing evidence.
@big freedom, please provide source
@Blue Shirted Guy, I'm not xenophobic at all. I can see where xenophilia has blinded you to reality.
To think that a culture where women are treated as property or worse, can have a mass immigration to a completely different culture and not clash is obtuse.
I'm not saying Muslims are bad. I'm not saying we shouldn't do everything possible to help refugees.
I'm saying you cannot ignore the reality that they have a different culture and treat women differently and treat crime differently than the places they are emigrating to.
Many rapes go unreported in normal circumstances. There are some Muslims who believe in Sharia law where you can "marry" someone (no ceremony - you just have to claim to be married), have sex with them (forcibly), then divorce them as soon as you're done raping them. In their culture, this isn't "rape".
@TheMonkeyGod, yes , the video is called what is REALLY happening in Sweden for a reason because the government is lying.
@Galven, ... yes... like NASA and everybody else who disagrees and yet is able to provide actual documentation. Show me data. Not some clip by some failed hack.
@big freedom, ok so you're saying you have no actual evidence, just assumptions based on how you perceive their culture and religion?
@Blue Shirted Guy, yes that's exactly right. Holy fûcking shît you obviously have no world experience at all. I'm guessing you're a college sophomore majoring in philosophy with a minor in ancient poetry.
I'm talking about the - literally - thousands of books and articles that have been written by experts or people that grew up in that exact culture.
But you know everything because you studied a class that taught you that "all cultures are beautiful... except America of course" and rainbows and unicorns will make everything better YAAAAY
@big freedom, alright well this college sophomore majoring in philosophy with a minor in ancient poetry knows how to provide evidence. From 2012 to 2013 we upped our Muslim refugee intake from roughly 15k in 2012 to 25k in 2013 (PewResearchCenter). Yet our rape rate went down by 6.3% in that same period (FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Divison).
@Blue Shirted Guy, and in that scenario, every rape was reported to the police, and investigated? Fascinating.
@big freedom, Also wait a second you distracted me, you still haven't provided any evidence. Unless the very vague "thousands of books and articles" is your evidence. Or world experience? Really, you've got nothing to link me to whatsoever?
@Blue Shirted Guy, so, couple things. I don't really want to "prove" anything to you. Nothing will change your mind about how you "feel" vs what is reality.
2nd you will one day grow up and realize the fairy tale world you think you live in has a lot of nasty people in it. Believing that a hug will change that is juvenile.
So here's some links. Feel free to finely dissect the few sentences that you will chose to use as a straw man argument, and disregard the larger message.
@big freedom, oh my goodness... to be fair I haven't gone to the links yet... but please tell me you did not just link me to infowars as evidence....
@The Manwhore, like feminism?
@Blue Shirted Guy, I googled Muslim rape culture. Idgaf who the links are from. You will not change your mind regardless.
@big freedom, so you're saying when you called Drumph stupid, you didn't actually have any evidence, just pre-conceived beliefs? Only when I asked you to present evidence did you google "Muslim rape culture" and throw 3 links at me as proof?
@Blue Shirted Guy, no dummy. I have a lot of evidence. It's fûcking midnight. I'm not going digging through every goddamn book I've ever read to prove to some halfwit about a thing that is widely discussed in many forums. Like I said, I have no need to prove anything to you. I only hope you don't vote in elections that affect me.
@big freedom, I google "Muslim rape culture" out of curiosity and I see what you mean by "thousands of articles." So many to choose from. Brietbart at the very top of the page, followed by vice, counterjihadreport, loonwatch, and my personal favorite - barenakedislam.com.
@big freedom, interesting you've read all these books and you still cited infowars. You did prove something though. That it is absolutely worth it to stay up late debating on a funny pictures app if it means you can be called a dummy by someone citing a conspiracy site.
@Blue Shirted Guy, do you know what a straw man fallacy is?
@Blue Shirted Guy, I told what I cited and why I cited it. Then I pointed out how you would pick and chose the facts you want to argue, while ignoring the bigger picture. It's almost as if I knew exactly how you would react, like it's out of a playbook. How did I know that? (I'm smarter than you)
@big freedom, yes obviously a philosophy major with a minor in ancient poetry knows what a straw man fallacy is. You said I was going to dissect a few sentences to use a straw man argument. Point me to where I did that. Anybody who cites infowars and says "idgaf who the links are from" isn't really in any position to say they are smarter than anybody. That's an extremely stupid thing to do and say, even for a funny pics debate
@Blue Shirted Guy, that's exactly what you did. Without even reading any of the articles, you have latched into the single issue that you can argue - the source of a link that was copied and pasted. You haven't argued a single point to the greater argument. You double down on circular arguments without ever saying anything, other than "prove it" over and over again. You suck at debating, you suck at being funny. Now fûck off, I'm trying to go to sleep and I can't because I know that stupid people are up and saying stupid shît on the internet.
@big freedom, id say my statistics from the FBI and PewResearchCenter contributed to the greater argument, no? Remember you were the one calling people stupid and saying there's all this evidence. I asked you for *one* source and it took you until your 4th reply (to me) to provide 3 links you randomly googled, 1 of them being infowars. Goodnight.
@Donald Drumpf, yeah, because plugging your ears and shouting "it didn't happen!" is really helpful and empathetic towards those that got raped by immigrants?
You're worse than a Flat-Earther. Your dogma perpetuates rape and a culture that is antithetical to liberalism. Theirs simply perpetuates a lack of understanding about the planet they live on.
@TheMonkeyGod, objectively false. Stop lying.
@Galven, the 400% figure is for total rapes in Sweden over 25 years, not per capita in all of Europe.
@I Are Lebo, oh, I guess racism is now redefined again as "things that someone on the internet says aren't true"? What happened to "power + prejudice"?
Call me old-fashioned, but my definition of the word racism has to do with race, specifically the notion that certain races are inferior to others and discrimination based on that notion.
@TheMonkeyGod, the same Swedish government that dismissed its own staticians as racists and then summarily fired them and quit recording the statistics?
Yeah, great source there man. Why don't you go ask the North Korean government how many people they execute? I'm sure when they tell you "none" they're being totally honest. It's not like a state can ever represent its own interests and not those of the people, right? I mean, look at those WMD's we found... Oh, wait...
@Blue Shirted Guy, dude, first off, a Philosophy major? WHAT?! And an ancient poetry minor?! What a fųcking joke! Good luck finding a job! You're pissing away money on a useless degree to have a piece of paper that will HURT your employment prospects. No employer is going to look at your degree and think "gee, this person sure seems to be a competent decision-maker". None.
I've seen it, too. I have a coworker with a Masters Degree of Philosophy. He almost didn't get hired on, as a temp, for a minimum wage job because of his degree. He's in crippling debt and all I've ever seen him eat is beans and oatmeal because he can't afford more. Take this anecdote as you will, but you're sabotaging your own life here, I promise you.
Secondly, there may or may not be a strawman fallacy present, but if there is it doesn't stand out immediately to me. That being said, there are several outstanding instances of argumentum ad hominem. You can't just use an insult in lieu of an argument and
@Blue Shirted Guy, expect to be taken seriously in a debate.
@Doctor Krieger, racism goes both ways. I've told you this before. Thinking whites are superior to blacks is just as racist as thinking blacks are inferior to whites.
@Doctor Krieger, 1. You actually read that conversation and believed I am actually a college sophomore majoring in philosophy and minoring in ancient poetry. No reading comprehension whatsoever. 2. I wasn't originally debating or making any argument with big freedom. I was asking him to provide evidence. Once he cited infowars that was it. Obviously he had none, as he googled "Muslim rape culture" and provided 3 links that popped up. You simply can't debate anyone who claims their actual evidence is either in their head or has been hidden by governments. Interesting you single me out as not being able to be taken seriously when big freedom cited infowars. Anything to do with your shared political beliefs?
@I Are Lebo, that was a totally vacuous statement. Of course if you hold one group superior to another you must hold the other inferior to that group. This is basic logic.
Try actually addressing what I said.
How does asserting that Middle-Eastern immigrants are comitting a disproportionate amount of rapes in Europe (they absolutely are) translate into "this person thinks that a particular race is inferior" in your mind?
Do you believe that "Middle-Eastern" is a race? If so, let me tell you about this thing called "geography".
Or is it that you believe that all of the immigrants/refugees into Europe are of the same race (they aren't)?
What is it that you believe that justifies you calling someone racist when they're speaking in terms of nationality and culture?
@Blue Shirted Guy,
1. If you weren't meaning to say that you are majoring in Philosophy and minoring in ancient poetry, that reflects poorly on your comprehension, not mine, because that is what you said.
2. Yes you were debating him. Don't dance around it.
No, I'm not a fan of Infowars. That being said, "conspiracy site therefore wrong" IS an argumentum ad hominem.
Finally, yes, several European nations have been caught supressing information in one form or another. This is observable reality. If you don't like it, you can continue to ignore it, but it's not going away.
@Doctor Krieger, big freedom was the one who assumed that, I just played along. How did you not notice that? And again, no reading comprehension. I just said I *originally* was not. I provided an example of actual evidence that contributes to the overall debate. I can't ignore it if you provide me a legitimate source that shows evidence :)
@Blue Shirted Guy, http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds
@Blue Shirted Guy, funny you talk about reading comprehension while still going back to a cited link that was a google search result, only given to prove that you would (and did) pick a single thing to argue while ignoring big picture.
@big freedom, nobody has provided me a fact! You can't just say "oh I'm not providing you facts cause it won't matter anyway." Give me something from a legitimate source. Why would I choose to ignore mass rapes? That makes no sense.
@big freedom, I'm not ignoring big picture. This is so frustrating. I'm asking, pleading to you guys at this point, to provide me a legitimate source of evidence so I can take a look. Nobody has done so.
@Blue Shirted Guy, actual well written thoughtful article describing the situation.
@big freedom, thanks! The article doesn't seem to make any unsubstantiated claims. The article actually provides evidence *against* mass rapes, especially them being disproportionately committed by refugees. Do you still have the same viewpoint?
@Blue Shirted Guy, my viewpoint is that it's an extremely complicated matter. Unfettered mass immigration by a vastly different culture is not without difficulties or harm coming to the native culture.
Calling people racist or xenophobic dismisses actual problems.
There is a threshold to how much a society can handle before the native culture will start to either completely disappear or fight back.
@big freedom, but I never claimed any of that. I never called you xenophobic or racist. I simply asked for evidence backing up your mass rapes claims. Everything you just stated I agree with, though I disagree with your last statement to an extent. Those are all perfectly reasonable viewpoints
@Doctor Krieger, it's racist because it is inaccurate. If you look at the actual numbers there is no correlation between the percentage of rapes and the influx of refugees. It's racist to say that the refugees are rapists because they aren't rapists and you are basing this stance off of bad info and the assumption of that they are Arabs they are psychotics.
Calling it racist is simpler than calling it discriminatory because a major part of the issue, at the core, is about skin colour and perceived cultural differences.
I call Trump racist because he says and does racially insensitive or inflammatory things, not because he 'speaks in terms of nationality and culture'.
@big freedom, the problem at its core is this: it is wrong to deny refugees from a dangerous home or a violent regime a safe harbour on the grounds that they MIGHT commit crimes when they get here.
@I Are Lebo, I disagree: why is it morally mandatory to accept refugees from another country? Because it's the "right" thing to do? Says who? Now let the discussion turn into what defines "right" or "wrong". You obviously aren't religious, so a Bible won't define it. Our constitution doesn't mandate the saving of foreigners, so Law of the Land doesn't define it either. Please defend your position that there is a mandate to save foreigners from their own country and government.
@Blue Shirted Guy, explain how my last sentence is wrong.
@big freedom, I wasn't saying it's wrong. I wasn't quite sure how to phrase it. I disagree to an extent simply because it depends on the culture, society, etc and we probably have different opinions on what the threshold is. It's by no means a false statement when generalized
@Blue Shirted Guy, of course. It was meant to be generalized. There is no "rule" for it. A largely homogeneous culture like Sweden will have a very different threshold than France, or America, which are much more diverse.
But if you have a culture that has been, more or less, unchanged over a few centuries - then inject a very large and very culturally different people - there is 100% chance of something going wrong.
Things go wrong all the time, so I'm not saying that's a reason to not accept refugees. You just have to be aware of the changes that will happen.
@I Are Lebo, I disagree. If you are going to allow guest into your house, do you take some time in knowing that they won't do something awful? Of course you do. You don't invite gang members for sleepovers with your daughter do you? (And don't think that I'm comparing refugees with gangs - I'm making a point) you use discretion. Now if they are children fleeing a violent father, you take them in? Probably... but what if one of them is a violent looking teenager who you've personally seen bully some of the neighbor kids. Do you have some doubt about letting him into your house and leave him largely unsupervised? Maybe he's not worth the risk? Maybe he needs to go somewhere else... that would be my thinking anyway.
@Doctor Krieger, which comment precisely?
@Doctor Krieger, except they didn't. The Swedish government has not fired all its statisticians, for any reason. The only thing that happened is one died from cancer.... must have got it from something you wrote.
Please site reference to prove me wrong. I found nothing to support your claim.
@big freedom, I agree with that too haha, these 2 comments are a complete 180 from accusing refugees of mass raping. To respond to that and your most recent reply to I Are Lebo, that's what intense screening is for. When it comes to the United States, specifically, we are able to safely screen and bring in refugees in moderation to be able to regulate their arrival and promote safety. The *vast* majority of these refugees are innocent people, mostly women and children, who are scared sh*tless and just want to find a better life. I understand concerns that some may, and most likely will be criminals. But keeping all of them away out of fear increases their chances of suffering far more than the increase in danger to us that would come from allowing them in through a gradual screening process.
@Blue Shirted Guy, I was tired and wanted to stir the shît up with people who don't believe that there is a very real problem going on in Europe with a clash of cultures. I really appreciate the opportunity to express my real thoughts though and have you understand where I'm coming from.
@big freedom, I can't tell if you're just really ignorant, or willfully hateful. All of that "world" experience you have must only be on FOX, because that is not how sharia law works. That's now how Islam says to treat women. I will say the same to you that I advised another user on here. Actually meet a muslim refugee. Ask questions directly instead of believing infowars. Grow a pair and stop letting your privilege shelter your ignorance. If you want I can teach you about sharia law. You seem to lack any actual knowledge of what you want to have opinions about.
@arabTerminator, so you're saying that some Muslim men (Isis supporters for instance) don't rape women? Huh. I guess even the BBC got that one wrong.
Quit using straw man fallacy to make my argument something that it isn't. I never said that's "how sharia law works". But there are millions of Muslims who interpret it that way.
@arabTerminator, and I don't watch fox. I do talk to my friends who immigrated to escape the war though. They described exactly what I'm talking about. Men who will capture women and children and rape them. If caught, the women are punished for being un-chaste. The men get away with it because they "married" the woman before raping her.
These are actual events that happened. You deny them? You claim ISIS isn't a Muslim terrorist group that is the worst ideals of Islam?
@big freedom, nice try, I said Islam, not self-identified mulims. ISIS supporters are not muslims. Simple reason, "killing one life is like killing all humanity" "it is Zina (one of the biggest sins) to force Islam on anyone" (quoted from Quran). ISIS supporters are muslims, like Hitler was Christian. I also didn't deny that ISIS rapes women? You said refugees (mostly cilvillian muslims) fleeing ISIS! Treat women as property and rape them. Your ignorance is apparent because the refugees are fleeing ISIS why would they support them? It's as stupid as saying the JEWS who tried to come to the U.S during the Nazi regime supported killing Jews. There are over a billion muslims. There is like what a million terrorists? .1%. Like a user already said, your argument relies on outliers, like Daniel Rouf represents xenophobic christians? Your argument goes like this " Since the U.S army is nearly all christian, and over a million civilians died in the Iraq war. Christians love killing innocents?"
@big freedom, like I said ISIS doesn't represent Islam. Is your friend imaginary? That happens on a mass scale? You are still using outliers as your base argument it's retarded. I'm muslim so it'll be hard to trick me into believing bullsh*t like your friends got you to believe. ISIS is a fanatical group that thinks they follow Islam, but don't. Just like Daniel Rouf believed he was right in killing this churchgoers as a christian?
@big freedom, Get some world experience, read the quran, or is it too many pages? Stop letting your privilege shelter your ignorance. Visit your local mosque for a tour and Q&A.
@arabTerminator, wow your abio
@big freedom, dammit!
@arabTerminator, your ability to read for context is atrocious.
And since you have a hard time with context, let me point out a few things:
Pakistan has 62% favorable view of Isis.
I've never said that "all" Muslim men do anything.
And if you think for a second that a man growing up in that culture may not want to pretend to flee and bring that ideology with him. You're a dolt.
I'm glad you have the view of Islam that you do. To say that all followers of Islam have the same is naive in the extreme.
Oh and great job invoking Godwin's law 4 comments in. The true sign of someone who can not have an actual debate.
@big freedom, lol the pink you shared literally says right before the Pakistan comment is that few people see ISIS favorably, or did you develop selective blindness? Also We aren't really taking refugees from Pakistan are we? So that evidence is irrelevant, how about the 3 paragraphs underneath literally saying what I was arguing? Your ploy to use a real tool instead of info wars and hope I wouldn't read it backfired, it clearly supports the argument that you are basing you lr entire world view on outliers. Also the hitler comparison is relevant because of the nature of the argument, so Godwin "law" (which is just Internet slang btw) we are talking about banning refugees similar to how the U.S turned Jews back to their deaths? It's pretty damn appropriate. You try to use the law to try to ignore the actual facts. It's apparent that you didn't get the sarcasm that I was using your logic to show you how stupid it was to base an opinion of a people on a miniscule fraction of their pop.
@big freedom, I'm afraid you made a mistake, you probably thought I was an sjw or whatever. I'm actually just not stupid, and not a coward. So you'll find it a lot harder to convince me to believe some stupid sh*t. If you are going to use an article make sure you read the whole thing ;)
@arabTerminator, I don't think you understand how math works. Tiny percentage of 1.6B Muslims that support Sharia law and have favorable view of ISIS is still millions of people. Sorry that doesn't fit with you wishing away the bad people who do bad things.
@big freedom, yes, good job. That's exactly what I said 3 or 4 comments ago, here's a gold sticker. What's interesting is why you keep insisting that all 1.6 billion muslims are refugees? This was about refugee perception, if you want to change topics to all muslims, and expect me to explain why some people are brainwashed easily (like you) to propoganda to follow ISIS, then I don't have an answer. Just like millions in the United States think sexual assault is ok to overlook (voters for trump), there are a lot of people who are uneducated and will watch YouTube for their information on complex international issues. Btw you've been ignoring basically all of my counter questions, (yeah, I noticed) leading me to believe that even you know deep down that you are just afraid, and use xenophobia as an outlet for your fear. There are millions of Christian terrorist supporters, yet I don't accuse you of wishful thinking, because it's a TINY PERCENTAGE, how thick are you?
@arabTerminator, you are retarded. I'm done trying to explain anything to you.
@arabTerminator, I'll give it one last shot. Did you read the comments above? The analogy about the neighbors? That is my view.
I've never once said all Muslims are refugees. Know how to know if you're talking to a child? They don't understand nuance. "A tiny fraction of Muslims supports Sharia law, but that's still millions of people" /OH MY GOD YOU SAID ALL MUSLIMS ARE REFUGEES AND RAPE EVERYONE. YOU'RE A RACIST AND WATCH FOX NEWS AND LINK INFOWARS!!!!/
@Pubmarine Shamwich, I think you should look up what the Statue of Liberty represents, the ideals that America was founded on.
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
@big freedom, you cannot look at a country the same way you look at a house. That's an extremely small view of the world. The term 'apples and oranges' comes to mind.
That mindset works for immigrants. Not refugees. If someone runs up to your door in the middle of the night, saying that their father is going to kill them, do you let them in and give them a safe place to stay, or do you refuse them entrance and send them back home?
You see, even that analogy is flawed, because you can't compare a society to an individual.
@TheMonkeyGod, I wanted to upvote you, because that was a sick burn, but then you wrote 'must of' instead of 'must have' and on principle I couldn't do it.
@arabTerminator, THANK YOU!
The whole problem comes from the fact that ignorant people like @big freedom, think that all Muslims want to instil Sharia law wherever they go. Most of them are FLEEING from Sharia law!
There are so many similarities between how people look at Muslims today and how people looked at Jews in the 1940s it is truly scary. I'm sure there are Americans who think it would be a good idea to put the refugees in camps. Fortunately for everyone, these are the outliers.
@I Are Lebo, I disagree again. The refugee crisis isn't something that just now happened. It's been building for a while. The analogy holds up fine. You've been watching an abusive neighbor hurt his family for years, now it's built up to the point where they have to flee. You know the wife and kids and trust almost all of them. But there's that older son who you've had troubles with for years. Or even better, you didn't know about the son. He's been away at college for a while, but has come back to help his family escape. Maybe he's a lot like his old man... maybe he's not... but you don't know him. He's old enough to do real harm if he wants to.
Do you take him in for a couple hours while you sort out what to do next? Probably. Do you take him in on the idea that it will be permanent because his father is evil as fûck and doesn't appear to be going away? I doubt it. Do you want him to be safe, just somewhere else? That's where I would land.
@big freedom, it is fortunate that you are not in a position of international affairs, because you are very small minded.
You cannot look at international affairs the same way you look at individual issues.
I played into the analogy and I now regret doing so. It's ignorant, plain and simple.
@I Are Lebo, corrected using the new edit function. Upvote freely.
@TheMonkeyGod, we can edit comments now?! How?
@I Are Lebo, there is an edit option with the new update.
@I Are Lebo, I honestly thought you were brighter than that. That's a shame. You are taking an analogy and making it into a real scenario. That's not how analogies work.
Can't believe I have to post this, but here you go.
a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
"an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
a correspondence or partial similarity.
a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
@big freedom, I know the definition of the word analogy, and I have not been misusing it. However, you have been the one bringing up an analogy. "Did you read the comments above? The analogy about the neighbours? That is my view."
You specifically said that this analogy is your view. But the analogy is incorrect. Comparing another country to a neighbour will lead to bad logic because the relationships between countries are a lot more complicated than a relationship between people.
How often do you see individuals that have gotten into lethal conflicts with other that became friends again afterwards?
And yet Germany and Britain have been at war with other in THE most brutal wars in recorded history, yet now they are allies.
As I said before, you cannot compare relationships between countries with relationships between people.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, the reason is because they are also human. The fact that they are from another country is an opportunity to introduce them to your culture. The point of immigration is to swell your numbers. Whether they come as refugees or not is inconsequential. As long as you enforce your law on them while they are in your country (you do), having this influx would make the country stronger, not weaker.
I'm really not sure when this attitude changed to the xenophobic scared of outsiders attitude now. My guess would be around nine eleven, but it seems longer.
@I Are Lebo, wooooowwww. Deep breath... counts to ten...
I never said you used analogy wrong. I've used analogies, and even though you claim to understand what one is, you clearly do not. I certainly can compare a neighbor to a country. The fact that you can't grasp even a tiny bit of nuance shows that you're not nearly as bright as I have you credit for before.
AND There are MANY families that have been literally at war with each other, then later reconciled and became allies. However that has literally nothing whatsoever to do with the analogy in question or the refugee crisis.
Take a minute before replying, give a little thought or even a lot of thought to the scenario above, and see how there are SIMILARITIES that show how they can be ANALOGOUS. Here's a hint: they are not exactly equal in every way. But the scenario serves to explain how a dangerous person might be taken in during a crisis situation and cause harm. Does that help?
@I Are Lebo, and to quote you /ignorant people like @big freedom, that think all Muslims.../ Ehhhhhh WRONG! Did you even bother to read my statements? You are either lying, or can't read. Which is it?
I've never generalized even "most Muslims" let alone "all Muslims".
I've agreed there are a small minority. But 1% of 1.6B people is still 16Million people.
Quit with the hyperbole it makes your argument weaker.
@big freedom, don't condescend to people if you can't take getting condescended to.
I understood the point of your analogy, but the analogy itself gives a flawed image. It is an inaccurate analogy.
Yes I can see the similarities between a neighbour in distress and a political refugee. Can you see the differences?
@I Are Lebo, oh my fûcking god. Of course I can see the differences. Again the point of an analogy is to compare two different things for the purpose of explanation. Jesus fûcking chrîst how hard is this to understand. ITS A GODDAMN STORY TO MAKE A FÛCKING POINT. There is nothing more different than a pair of neighbors and all of the countries on earth that take in refugees. BUT I can use the similarities to make a goddamn point about why some people are worried about taking in Muslim refugees. For fûck sake pull your head out of you àss and learn something rather than taking fûcking offense when none is meant. Chrîst, you fûcking frustrate me. I know you're smarter than that. Act like it, for fûck sake.
@big freedom, firstly, not offended. Secondly, you are explaining something to me that I already know.
I get that you don't think refugees are literally like neighbours. I'm disagreeing with the point you are making, not just with how you are making it.
@big freedom, you presented an analogy as if it was evidence. I am correcting you.
@I Are Lebo, I never said it was evidence. Even you quoted me earlier "this is how I feel". That's not evidence... that's me saying that I would be wary of taking in potentially dangerous people. And before you say anything - I'm not say ALL or even MOST refugees are dangerous. I'm saying that ISIS has and will continue to try and pass off young Muslim men with the refugees to get them into foreign countries where they can attack.
I personally am not at all afraid of an attack by terrorists. I think the chances are remote in the extreme that it would happen to me. I get why some cultures are starting to push back now after taking in millions of people from another culture now that the impact is much more real.
@I Are Lebo, can you help me understand how it's wrong?
@big freedom, it is wrong because you feeling that way does not justify blocking refugees from being able to flee near certain death.
You are weighing your comfort with someone else's safety. That is wrong.
(Know that I do not believe you are responsible. I'm not, unlike what you seem to believe, an idiot)
@I Are Lebo, I never advocated or insinuated blocking them from fleeing. How did you find that? My whole point was whether it's the neighbors responsibility to take them in.
@big freedom, if someone in need comes to you for help, you have two choices. You either help them or you don't. How you help them, how much you help them, all of that is considered afterwards. First and foremost, you decide whether you help them.
As I've said before, comparing the situation with the Syrian refugees with a neighbour needing help is a flawed analogy. It is more inaccurate than it is accurate. The problems are very different, and you should stop comparing them. I know you aren't being literal. But you keep bringing up the same flawed analogy and it makes it impossible to discuss anything with you. Stop speaking in terms of analogies and speak about the actual issue.
As a country that very vocally prides itself on being about freedom and opportunity, to deny both of those to refugees based on the idea that .01% are going to be a problem is morally and ethically wrong, and is based entirely in ignorance.
@big freedom, there is a far higher chance of ISIS sneaking someone in as an immigrant with a green card coming over from a different country than them sneaking in via refugee.
What's even likelier is them recruiting amongst local disenfranchised youths, or the mentally ill.
This is a similar argument with Trump's wall. The ban on refugees is taking perhaps the least efficient path towards dealing with a problem.
@I Are Lebo, ok. Analogy out. How much a country can and should help is not a static thing. Germany and Sweden advocated that no refugee should ever be denied. Now, they are having push back.
(I think the analogy is perfect btw. Mostly because I heard it from a thinker that I greatly respect at the Cato institute)
@big freedom, I agree with you. There's a wide gulf between taking nobody and taking everybody. Any system can be overwhelmed with a too large influx.
Lately however, there has been a very large uptick in the amount of xenophobic sentiment arguing against ANY Syrian refugees being admitted into the country. This is both illegal and unconstitutional, which is why the judiciary is digging their heels in on this issue.
We are not arguing for how many refugees should be admitted. That is a complex topic and I doubt very much that any of us involved in this discussion (myself included) are qualified to have a relevant opinion.
Having said that, this whole discussion started based on the fallacious assessment that rape statistics have gone up sharply in all of the places that have taken in large amounts of Syrian refugees. These numbers are not accurate. Insistence that they are is ignorance.
Believing that these refugees are all rapists IS racist. Or Islamaphobic. Or perhaps both.
@I Are Lebo, last sentence is true. I don't know if anybody even racists who think that all refugees are rapists. I think possibly you are taking something and making it another... since you have stated a few times in here that I believe "all" Muslims are (insert whatever it is you said here)
The first sentence beautifully illustrates my analogy. Neighbors in distress? Take the women and children right now and protect them. Take the possibly violent teen? Maybe not. Maybe he needs to go somewhere else.
@big freedom, and for the record, the analogy is not perfect. The amount of spare space and resources an individual has doesn't come close to comparing what a country has.
If a neighbour moves in with you to avoid their abusive father, and stays for the next thirty years, that would greatly inconvenience you.
If someone flees a tyrannical dictator of their country and seeks asylum in the United States, they are taking up an insignificant amount of the country's space and resources. It doesn't inconvenience anyone directly, because cost wise, it's a drop in the bucket.
Look, I understand being attached to a thought process. I've been there. But comparing a complex problem to a much simpler problem and expecting the simpler problem's solutions to apply, that's just not logical.
I'm not being an asshole, I'm not shouting "WRONG" at you. I'm simply trying to bring the illogic to your attention. It's not about me being right or you being wrong, and I truly hope you can see that. Honest
@big freedom, I won't deny the analogy has some good points. It's not a terrible analogy. Just a little flawed.
If I sounded at any point like I was putting words in your mouth I apologize. I was reacting based on the information that I had and the impression that I got.
@I Are Lebo, yes there are a lot of differences. I put the analogy down to (very) simply put my thoughts down to why there are some that are pushing back against taking too many refugees (Sweden) or the wrong people (US with "extreme vetting")
I do appreciate the tone this conversation has taken! I am trying to see things from another point of view and just expect others to be open minded to hearing a different point of view as well.
Thank you for the debate!
@big freedom, you're very welcome. Sharing ideas and differing points of view is what we all need to better ourselves as people. It's very easy to go "this guy is an idiot, I'm not going to listen to him", but doing that is doing yourself a disservice. Even if the person in question (not you) IS an idiot who isn't worth listening to, sometimes an idiot will still say something that can broaden your horizons.
This is something I myself still struggle with. Especially with religious topics.
Ah political posts, my favorite. This is the best place to settle down and have respectful debates about the world and its problems.
@VibratingButtChomper, Never wrong to have conversations. No one gave a shït about politics in my gen until trump shït the bed. Im glad its more common now, us ignoring it is what gave us that shïtty election
I've missed this meme so much
I just wanna say that the 'mass rapes' were an invention by the far right media (cough Fox News cough info wars cough) and then blown out of proportion by smaller media services... sooooo.... :/
@weirdcheeseburgers, yeah and if people really wanted a strong argument vs immigrants i would say the best example for closed borders would be that last time the usa had open borders a bunch of white europeans came and raped/enslaved/killed and entire peoples.
@Implicit88, 1. It wasn't the United States then and 2. That was nothing new for America back then. That was happening all the time before any white people ever came. But you go ahead and keep talking about how the big bad white people ruined everything.
@Zack Fair, i know it wasnt called that before. It did not even have a name before. Was it really happening in america before? Really? People came and wiped out a complete peoples? (Genocide) you may have had tribal wars but nothing on the scale of what was happening in europe or asia or africa. Go back and learn history. Other people came to america before the europeans did and there was not this massive genocide. I am a proud american but failing to acknowledge ones past is ignorant.
THERE ARE NOT MASS RAPES. I'm almost positive
@Ultramatt, tell that to the rape victims?
@Doctor Krieger, just look it up. There were the Cologne attacks in Germany but beside that please find me examples of mass rapes throughout Europe from accredited news outlets. Seriously though I haven't really found anything so I'd appreciate it if you could actually find me some info on this topic
@Ultramatt, the rate of rapes per population annually in Sweden has almost quadrupled in the last 25 years. The "accredited news outlets" refuse to report on it.
@Ultramatt, sorry, it's almost quadrupled in total. I misspoke.
Per capita is a lower amount. About 80% in the past 10 years.
It always boggles my mind how easily progressives conflate nationality and religion with race.
Weren't those reports proven false?
@I cut your face, No, they were disavowed as racist, but never disproven. Plus it's just math, which can't really be racist.
@Ajunta Pall, No, I mean I thought those stastics we're proven fake.
@I cut your face, Oh, definitely not. They just stopped recording them.
@Ajunta Pall, I don't think that's true...
@I cut your face, Sweden officially denounced the statisticians responsible for collecting and analyzing the data as racist...and did not replace them.
@I cut your face, no, in fact they were proven to be true and are suspected to be understated in many districts due to fears of racism accusations. The Swedish government even went so far as to dismiss the statistics as "racist".
The truth of the matter is that rapes in Sweden have gone up almost 4 times in 25 years and Middle-Eastern immigrants are massively overrepresented in these statistics, with over 70% of rapes being comitted by them in a number of districts.
Lol mass rapes. I can guarantee you more people are raped by citizens of a country than by immigrants.
@Implicit88, are you daft?
@Vladimir pootang, no he's liberal
@Vladimir pootang, no i am sensible and look at the facts.
@Implicit88, more per capita, or more total?
@Hotchkiz, per capita. Sweden usually sees 69 rape cases per 100k people. I highly doubt there have been more than 100 rape cases. Sweden too about 163k people.
@Hotchkiz, i mean sweden took about 163k refugees. So the rate would need to be higher than the normal rate.
@Ajunta Pall, Patrick: "what's the difference?"
@Kangaroo Jacked, True, there isn't one
@Implicit88, obviously immigrants would be in the minority, skewing the math. Compare ratios, and then you've got something.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, i did read my other comment :)
@Ajunta Pall, label me as a liberal if it makes u feel better but i simply look at each situation, gather data, and come to a conclusion.
@Implicit88, immigrants are citizens of a country. That was a vacuous statement.
More people are being raped by Morrocan immigrants alone in Sweden than all of the native Swedish population. That's not including any of the other immigrant groups.
@Doctor Krieger, i did a lot of research on the subject and either this isn't happening or it isn't being reported. I have read about a few cases but those are far and few in between.
@Implicit88, it isn't being reported on by most corporate news networks (and any state news networks) and the Swedish government basically called their staticians racists, fired them, and stopped collecting data last year. You can still dig up the statistics from before then, you just can't get them from the Swedish government or larger media outlets anymore.
Like him or hate him, Stefan Molyneux did a presentation not all that long ago on the matter and he sources all of his data on his website. That's somewhere that you can start.
@Doctor Krieger, i will check that out, if they did suppress news after a certain point i will be able to find it.
Can we consecutively come together to rid this app of political posts? Between my job and any form of social media it's all that's I hear. And idk about everyone else but this is the one place I knew I could come to catch a break from all the drama and BS
@MomMadePizzaRolls, its almost like you can swipe left and ignore the post
@MomMadePizzaRolls, none of us have any authority. Collectively, we have the same authority.
Ignore pics you don't like. This is a free app, and complaining about the content on it will accomplish nothing.
@I Are Lebo, You're right man, my bad. Just gets a little tedious after a while
@MomMadePizzaRolls, I wish.
More per capita? Or more total?
@Hotchkiz, per capita.
You can't call women bitches and hoes and be a rape apologist for your favorite athlete one day and then all of a sudden be all Law&Order: SVU when it gives you the chance to demonize brown people. I mean come on, say it with your chest or not at all
Fake news rules I guess