In mother russia, no one has crowd funded cancer treatment. You die.
@Dr Who Fandom, one of the few comments who didn't just make me exhale from my nose, but actually laugh out loud
@A Math Dealer, thanks for calling him that
@Mortimer Smith Sr, hey, he asked for it and we delivered.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, “Communism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom.”
Isn't government healthcare just crowdfunding with extra steps?
Call me an anarchist, but I think it's reasonable that people donate directly to causes that they care about without the government being involved.
@ReeseBobby, Hey you shut your mouth with your goddamn logic! This is the internet remember!
@ReeseBobby, we could also address the fact that cancer has many proven treatments that are better than the ones that are provided by big pharmaceutical companies but they are made illegal by the government because curing cancer isn't as financially lucrative as "treating" it with radioactive poison.
@punsnipermark6, which proven treatments are made illegal by the government? Weed is the closest thing I can think of but that's really just a painkiller, so what's the deal?
@ReeseBobby, they’re talking about expense here...not the crowdfunding itself. Hey you don’t wanna die? You’ll want to when you see the bill to stay alive.
@ReeseBobby, certain parts of the marijuana plants and other natural treatments have been shown to actively kill cancer. On the other hand, I watched my wife almost die while they "treated" her cancer and it came back three times.
@The Trash Goblin, I know, I just think it's funny that instead of just saying that we should pay for other people's healthcare through taxes, they're saying that we should we should pay for other people's healthcare through taxes because we already pay for people's healthcare through crowdfunding. Obviously that's not really how things work, and most people don't get their healthcare crowdfunded or payed for by taxes, but I still think it's a funny point to try and make.
@punsnipermark6, Steve Jobs believed that too
@ReeseBobby, I agree. Like how when you donate to an organization through another. Why not just donate directly through them? Not only will they then get 100% of what you donate but you also won’t be helping Albertsons show how awesome they are by using your donated money to get a tax break.
@punsnipermark6, oh, I see. I thought you were one of the people who thinks that the illuminati have a secret cure for cancer or something. As far as I know, chemo is pretty bad and rather outdated, and there are other treatments being researched. That said, I think that it's fair to say weed is illegal because of the war on drugs, not because the government profits too much off chemotherapy costs. Hell, one of the most successful arguments for legalization has been medicinal uses. I hope your wife is OK though.
@ReeseBobby, eh she stopped the chemo and then recovered and left with some guy that didn't care about weed being illegal.
@punsnipermark6, Yes there are better treatments for cancer than the ones big pharma and the medical community provides, however marijuana is not a sustainable treatment for cancer nor is it very effective. There is a growing amount of evidence that consumption of lactic acid bacteria inhibits colon cancer growth and likely other cancers. However the mechanism by which it works and a direct link has yet to be understood. Seriously if people ate more sauerkraut, I don’t think cancer would even exist.
@punsnipermark6, that sounds pretty rough. Sorry man.
@ReeseBobby, yeah why should insurance companies pay for that sh!t, amiright??
@ReeseBobby, thanks bro
@ReeseBobby, I think I love you... no wait... I know I do.
@ReeseBobby, except you’re not paying for other peoples healthcare through taxes. You’re paying for your healthcare. If it were a government run insurance system. It would be no different then the way insurance companies use the money you pay in. To pay for other people. Until you need treatment.
But I guess the self centered screw everybody let them die mentality thats used to justify not paying for other peoples healthcare prevents some people from seeing this. They forget they are paying for their own healthcare too.
@Seohn, but we’re not paying for our own healthcare either. Thats why we are over $20,000,000,000,000 in debt
@Hot Coffee, thats what I heard as well. Steve Jobs was into alternative medicine. Look how well that worked out.
By the way to those who think modern medicine is a big conspiracy. The survival rate of cancer has drastically improved in the last 40 years thanks to those medicines. Back in the 70s it was pretty much a death sentence.
@Seohn, except the actual cost of healthcare would increase in ridiculous amounts until the system crumbles, OR the standard of care drops to that of the other socialized nations. Waiting lists, denied approvals of continuing care, nitpicking of treatments, treatment of symptoms over causes simply for cost, lower research incentive, yep sounds friggin great.
Medical breakthroughs happen here more than anywhere else. Other nations send people to the US for medical training, not the other way around. Capitalism works. It drives innovation and progress, Marxism removes the incentive and replaces it with force. Hence America creating the last century's worth of world changing inventions.
@ReeseBobby, yes because the whole Good Samaritan thing has worked out so well for us so far...
@crustybucket, except no, that's a lie and many countries with universal healthcare pay substantially less than America. We have medical breakthroughs in America because it's a big ass country where people can profit off life saving medications (eg Martin shkreli). It's not like other countries aren't doing groundbreaking research in many scientific fields. And frankly it's asinine to believe that only profit drives innovation
@crustybucket, I see you are making the same mistakes as other. See we aren’t talking about government run healthcare systems and hospitals. Just government run insurance. There is a difference.
@crustybucket, Did you know in Germany they have a universal healthcare system. And it works well. (I have family that lives there that has told me about it.)
@crustybucket, Did you also know that Canada in some specializations has better treatments than here in the US.
The idea that only the US has all the best in every type of medicine is incorrect and is an idea driven by propaganda from the very people wanting to prevent universal healthcare.
propaganda only fools people who don’t do proper research.
@MidgetQ, We have debt for other reasons. Not because of healthcare alone. We have debt because of government corruption. We’ll soon have more Debt because people like Trump think Trickle down works. When past evidence shows otherwise. Yet he’s giving tax cuts to the rich that will add over 1.5 trillion to the debt. In hopes that it’ll create a job. I say that if they’re going to do stuff like that that there should be stipulations to those tax cuts that say if you do not create jobs then you have to pay back those tax cuts. But even that won’t work because they’ll find loopholes for that too. How about this make it a nice fair tax rate. So even people who aren’t super rich can create jobs by starting their own businesses.
@griffinstorme, it's a joke, relax.
Isn’t that criticism inconsistent with a communist viewpoint?
Take your cancer and eventual painful death like an American!
Take tour cancer and eventual painful death like an American!
okay, you’re a commie
I don't even pay my own hospital bills, why would I help them.
Survival of the fittest nature chose you to die. Do you accept your fate or do you do what is in your power to survive. No one will care for you. You belittle yourself by asking for help or perish. You do not survive just because you are human.
@Slaydesilver, Perhaps nature created cancer as a means of population control. But we just keep creating better ways to fight cancer. Now the mighty dollar is becoming the next means of population control. Cant afford medicine so you die.
(I don’t actually believe this. Was just an idea I tossed out there)
Never thought I'd agree with someone named anal-sneeze
Crowfunding healthcare IS communism
Call me an a-hole but i think crowdfunding for medical or funeral bills is wrong. Step up and be responsible pay you debt or have insurance. There are programs for people who dont work or low income.
@floppyspark, What do you think insurance is? Insurance is just crowdfunding. You pay into your insurance when you aren’t sick and when you are. They use it to invest and they pool the money together to pay for the Health Care of the people who are sick. So yeah that’s just crowdfunding.
That’s why I always laugh when people use the excuse for no universal healthcare as not wanting to pay for others healthcare. How ignorant that statement is if they already buy insurance. Because they would just be paying for their healthcare when they need it. But when they don’t need it they’re paying for other healthcare. Just like how insurance works.
@Seohn, i actually don't mind universal health care. That is still being responsible for your self. Looking for a hand out that i don't like.