Wow this meme smells like capitalist propaganda to me
No one who advocates socialism/communism ever thinks they’ll be labor*.
These political posts are getting so old and dull
@aproxinate, but... But it's such an easy way to get my fix of watching people regurgitate reddit arguments!
I wish I could thumbs up and thumbs down this post because it is simultaneously exactly how that works and not at all how that works.
I'm more of a "come and take it" guy myself.
Don't buy goods made in China
There is no such thing as “capitalist propaganda.” Private property is all the convincing necessary to see the world lie, cheat, steal, kill, and die to break into the US.
Socialist countries in Europe are storehouses of foreign assets through which, like a bank, interest on investments of borrowed money is distributed across a limited population with a tightly regulated border and an extremely defended labor market. Consider the idiot who has nothing and demands those who have to give up what they have for others without compensation. Consider the idiot who has assets, but does not give it up while demanding others do so. Consider the idiot who lives comfortably off “the government” and doesn’t know why everyone in the world can’t do the same. They are not just idiots, they are dangerous because they think nothing of taking everything from you while calling “unfair” anything taken from them.
There is a reason why the wealthy elite want socialism as much as the poor think they do.
@Cave Dweller, the ONLY difference between socialism and communism is accounting.
@Cave Dweller, I agree wholly with most of what you said!
Capitalist propaganda does exist though, in fact some institutions like American news companies thrive off of it.
@Factory BOY, The propaganda produced by the American MSM has leaned left for more than 70yrs. Capitalism sells itself and needs no propaganda to entice people to pursue self-interest enterprises.
Leaned left? Within what system was the media leaning left? because where I am from media tries to be as without political bias as possible, and Chinese or Russian Media sure af don't centre their entire newsnetworks on either a left or right political stance, within capitalism, so that the best the stupid youth can spit in return is "ComUnISm".
Just because you don't see a need for the production of such propaganda, it does not therefore undeniably mean such propaganda is not produced.
@Cave Dweller, yeah I have to agree with factory boy, I mean saying Capitalism is so good it doesn’t need propaganda is almost proof of that. Capitalism is far from perfect, it just seems to be the best we have, however it can be incredibly dangerous just like communism and socialism. Sure those 2 systems will normally end up destroying themselves, but capitalism’s dangers are long term, and effect a wider range. There is always going to be a demand for more stuff, and companies will happily mine, cut, dig etc... the earth up to provide that demand, until we have nothing left, and it could quite possibly cause another World War.
Don’t get me wrong I think any other form of government would fall apart as they always have, but we can’t pretend capitalism is perfect.
@Factory BOY, there is no capitalist propaganda because there is no need of it, not that one could not produce any. There is simply no point in producing that which is not needed. ALL MSM is left leaning. See CCP control.
Definitions of Left vs Right will not be covered here.
One can test for themselves. Look for right side broadcasting beyond the 4 names on Fox network. Or attempt to express Conservative views on campus, social media, or broadcast. Then, reassess. Good luck.
@Duncan5769, whether “capitalism is so good” or not is irrelevant. The dangers of capitalism are irrelevant. There exists no “capitalist propaganda” because there is no need of it. One need not convince anyone of the virtues of self interest, private property, individualism....etc. these are inherent human characteristics. It sells itself.
@Cave Dweller, note here, while sharing this for minor amusement may be seen one way or the other, it is not intended here to convince anyone of anything. These lessons were not free to learn, and will not be free to teach. Cheers.
@Cave Dweller, I agree with the last half completely. Unfortunately, there is a need to teach capitalism and it’s virtues as so many young people are being indoctrinated with socialism.
@big freedom, absolutely. The necessity to teach capitalism as a system in academia can not be disputed. However, neither teaching materials nor entertainment products are propaganda* by design.
@Cave Dweller, good point.
Oooh... the socialists are out in force on this one. Too bad they don’t understand economics, but then they wouldn’t be socialists.
@big freedom, hey, if those socialists could read, they’d be very upset
Except that the majority of socialist countries have MUCH MUCH higher standards of living, lower homelessness, crime, poverty, disease etc. like statistically across the board better.
Even proven to be the happiest countries on earth.
@Not A Wolf, Venezuela is truly a paradise comrade.
@Not A Wolf, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they have much smaller populations, a whole lot of natural resources they can be benefit from (Norway for example has some of the biggest oil reserves in the world for a non-OPEC nation), and they're spending little to nothing on their militaries (Iceland doesn't even have a military so they spend literally $0 a year) because they're benefitting from NATO's protection. And yet despite all that they still have some of the highest tax rates in the world.
Although they are a lot happier because they're ethnically and culturally homogeneous. They don't deal with issues of racism because there's virtually no one to be racist to.
Meanwhile here in the US...
@Not A Wolf, so comrade, that lives on 841 dirt shack road, three kids and wife. We let you own a goat this month. How do you enjoy it?
you enjoy, yes?
@Andred, you’re right, that one country who’s politics and economy were heavily messed with by the US and others and that has always been run by fascist guerilla regimes under the false pretense of socialism didn’t work.
Literally all of the wealthiest, happiest nations in the world are socialist.
And weirdly, the average earning, and wealth of citizens of said countries are higher than the US, not to mention it’s actually possible to move up in the world, cancer won’t bankrupt your family for generations, prisons actually help reform criminals, homelessness is almost non-existent and the general population actually have a say in what goes on in their country.
But tell me more about how one sabotaged facade invalidates 100 years of evidence.
@Not A Wolf, are you talking about countries like Norway and Denmark and such? Because I've got news for you: they're not socialist. They have capitalist economies with lots of social services. They actually have less regulations on the economy, meaning that people can make money doing more things, such as prostitution and selling drugs that most nations consider illicit. That is not socialism. It's capitalism in a generally homogeneous society that doesn't mind letting their government be really involved in their day to day lives.
@Not A Wolf, That’s not even remotely accurate.
@Not A Wolf, I only mention the failure of Venezuela because most people aren’t familiar with Cambodia. The us had nothing to do with Pol Pot killing a third of the population there.
@Not A Wolf, there’s a lot of countries that socialists think are socialist that aren’t socialist. Having social programs does not a socialist country make. Sweden and Canada are not socialist countries.
@Sexy Homunculus, if you looked at the immigration statistics for Norway you'd see that you're incorrect
@Sexy Homunculus, just an FYI on your example and maybe to your point, Iceland is so "homogeneous" they created an app so people could bump phones and find out if they are too closely related to get intimate.
@Andred, mentioning failed socialist states is no more valid than mentioning failed capitalist states to justify points.
I believe socialism can work, but I don't believe any 1 system can work everywhere.
@Sexy Homunculus, I can say from close second hand experience that if you’re in Norway and can’t speak Norwegian too well...you will find the racists, oh you will.
@Factory BOY, mentioning failed socialist states is indeed not a valid approach to disproving the effectiveness of socialism as an economic system.
The lack of any examples of successful socialist countries is much stronger evidence.
When the means of production are seized by the state, it destroys any motivation for innovation or creative problem solving. Technological advancements don’t benefit those that would have to put in the work to develop them, which is why there has never been any significant technological development from any socialist country.
Socialism doesn’t develop the internet or smart phones, and socialists don’t make the world a better place. Socialism is the most extreme version of maintaining the status quo.
@I Are Lebo, There are very few examples of successful countries who didn't build themselves up with tyrannical greed, if any. To therefore assume you can effectively compare their political stances with their success, is to ignore all the other factors of success.
To say any political stance is less valid because there isn't an already existing state to back up your claim, is to shutdown political development.
It's true that socialism doesn't tend to have rapid growth, considering current human attitude towards growth is destroying our planet, however, I am okay with slowing down certain technological advances.
Although there are flaws, no political answer is without flaws, and the ones you point out can probably be addressed because socialist systems can be developed.
I am not some staunch socialist, just don't think any other political viewpoint has more weight or validity.
@Factory BOY, if you ask me we can’t look at just one political answer for success. And I mean that we can’t just apply one and it remains valid. For the US for example the current system has been the general state of capitalism under a democratic republic. But we’re really seeing how that can crack apart.
When those that reach the top of the chain, that American dream, so to speak, decide they like it up here and don’t want others, they use their wealth to influence the future more than the average person.
It used to be, ‘if you work hard, you can reach the top’. Then it went to ‘if you work hard, you can have a piece of the pie.’ Now it’s ‘if you work hard, a few more crumbs fall your way.’
@Cloverleaf, I agree, to have a multitude of ever-evolving political systems, all critical of each other, can be a great way for sustainable development if we went about it properly. Only problem is that's about as hopeful as believing in Communism.
@Factory BOY, “I don’t think any other political viewpoint has more weight or validity” is incredibly naive. It’s the kumbaya, all cultures are equal, globalist nonsense.
Some economic theories are absolutely better than others.
Free market economics have lifted more people out of poverty than any other system ever. Socialist policies are responsible for more deaths than any other system ever. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot all were orders of magnitude worse than Hitler
@big freedom, see, we’re not looking at the extremes of it. A free market economy works when it stays competitive. But when a company is big enough to bully newcomers to the scene, it’s no longer a free market.
Pure socialism is also a bad idea, yes, but not all the socialist ideas are bad. Just as not all the free market policies are bad. But there’s a common thread in why most of these fail when they’re the only policies
Corruption. When those at the top start consolidating power and wealth, that leaves less for below.
No country can succeed without supporting the general masses in some fashion. Whether that’s social policies to ensure no one is left behind, a regulated free market to ensure newcomers can get a foot in the door by preventing bigger companies from stomping all over them, etc.
I'm so tired of this dumb argument. That literally wasn't socialism
@Orlandude, it literally is. It’s the logical conclusion of socialism. You just don’t like it because it proves you wrong.
@Cloverleaf, it’s funny that you think “supporting the general masses” equals putting them on government handouts (which keep them controlled). and I think supporting the masses equals getting bureaucracy and government out of their way, allowing them to work, and provide for themselves.
But hey, one of is is right.
@big freedom, your argument seems to be ‘adding a few socialist policies’ equates to ‘destroy all capitalism, only socialism.’ When in reality we kinda wanna see progress similar to Europe, the UK, and Canada.
@Cloverleaf, nope. UK is dying. Europe is dying. Canada is a tiny country the size of California in population.
All of these are going backwards as they introduce “progressive” ideologies.
Your naivety is showing. Some day you may actually be an adult and have to contribute to society. Perhaps then you’ll understand. Until then, good day.
It's almost like socialism is a spectrum within the political-economic spectrum. Socialist Capitalism exists and saying "tHeY onLY wORK by LEecHinG OfF oThEr COunTRies" is ignorant as hell
@toiletking760, a capitalist society that uses gains from capitalism to fund socialist programs is not a socialist society. It’s a capitalist society with interest in citizen welfare.
Social assistance programs =/= socialist economy
I'm a simple man. If they try it and it ends up working better, I'll be into it.
Sounds like someone doesn't know what capitalism or socialism really is
@Orlandude, yep. It’s you
@Orlandude, but please enlighten us! What is capitalism and what is socialism?
Excuse me, waiter! There’s politics in my funny