Don't think, just consoom
@ptitty1231, *comsoom* start thimking about justice.
@CocoasBro, I see somebody has an iPhone
@ptitty1231, I’m pretty sure my ex-gf follows that advice exceptionally
Maybe we shouldn't have statues.
I don't know if human beings can live up to the status of being immortalized in cast bronze. By simple nature that we are all not perfect and things that are "normal" now are offensive in the future.
Hell I have seen calling things "gay" fall out of favor and I'm 25.
@Atomicking74, thats gay
@Atomicking74, I understand the reasoning. I disagree wholeheartedly. If no one is perfect, then if someone shows excellence in something can that not be inspirational? Lincoln freed the slaves. Some slaves, understanding that he was a man, gifted a statue to him to commemorate his achievements. A monuments should be a flashpoint in history, to show humanity, warts and all.
The people, at least in my opinion, cannot obtain their Utopia as long as they have history of the imperfect world around them. They deny the past and deny the context, toppling abolitionist and calling them slave owners, cause they must destroy indiscriminately. As the facade fades, no reasons are given. You're defending mad men that crave the entertainable. I'd understand your bed fellows, the logic is a preconception that they're right and just.
@That one lurker, that is maybe the most well thought-out response I've gotten on this platform, and has changed my mind.
Maybe those plaques just need to be a lot longer to show more context
@Atomicking74, like most (good)works of art you wont get the full story of something just by looking at it. You'll get part of it, but the rest of the understanding comes from learning the history around the art and thinking through its meaning. It provokes thinking about something in a meaningful way. That's something these rioters can't/wont do. They just go off pure emotion regardless of reality. Ironically whatever change they want, going off emotion only will probably just backfire.
@That one lurker, unfortunately, since humans are imperfect and some are evil, we will never have a perfect society. Something created by a group of imperfect beings cannot be perfect.
@RogueKnight, that's where the bell weather is for me. If you demand Perfection you are cultists. If you're demanding Excellence however, that is in the realm of reality and can be achievable.
We demand Excellence from our police force, and they are the least corrupt part of our government. Most likely the least corrupt police force in the world. It's filled with men and women who deserve respect.
The Utopianest see the outliers and want to destroy the whole thing. Pathetic and foolish, in the harshest meaning of the words.
@Atomicking74, agreed, maybe the plaque should describe why or how it got there.
Oh, the reason why I choose the Lincoln statue as my example. Is because the mob wants to tear it down, the mayor wants to acquiesce, Trump deployed troops.
I'm not sure how these fanatics think they're doing right when they deface war memorial statues. Like the memorial for the Vietnam War. Honestly haven't seen any recent pictures of them doing it, they did it before, so I'd suspect that they would do it again.
@That one lurker, I agree with you. I wish people would act the way they want their police to act. Excellence is absolutely attainable. By anyone who is willing to work for it and go through the effort and pain of dealing with your own failures and flaws head on to improve themselves.
It's all about mindset. See yourself as a victim, you're a victim. See yourself as a success, you'll be a success. Not because you'll be a millionaire, but because you will see the positive, good things that happen.
@RogueKnight, No, we’ll never be perfect, but the strive to do so will never be in vain because we know that even with the progress we make, there will always be more to strive for. I see no better way than liberty and justice.
@sandtsbigdaddy , I agree with you. It's kind of like Christians striving to be like Jesus. We never will because we are imperfect, but we make ourselves better by continuing to work toward that goal. Unfortunately, too many have forgotten that.
Unfortunately, most of our citizens seem to have forgotten what you are talking about and prefer tearing down history instead of learning from it. They prefer declaring war on cops instead of figuring out how to work together with them. They prefer fighting along party lines instead of making this country better. All sides are to blame.
If you think there should be statues of men who fought and killed active duty American soldiers, to break away from the US, then you’re a f*cking idiot and I’ll say it to your face.
@ Dslayer769, it's literally the same thing as having statues of Hitler and Nazis and I love how they can't grasp their stupidity.
@ Dslayer769, I’ll be the first to say I don’t give a fvck about confederate statues but let’s not fool ourselves into thinking they would stop there. This is also not the way to go about it. Who the hell has the time and will to organize the tearing down and destruction of a statue anyways? Check out mugshots of these people, they look like cracked up hobos.
@ Dslayer769, what about Lincoln Washington and Jefferson statues being attacked? The reason a lot of neutral people tend to side with pro statue is that they worry about the line being crossed on deleting history. I think most of this can be solved by local votes not riots. Let the locals who live there decide what their town wants to display.
Lol you can be both against communism and against celebrating the losers.
Some who doesn’t know the history of Che Guevara posted this
Been thinking about this as there is a Lenin statue in Seattle that is untouched