I wish I knew how to quit you
It's dumb to kneel for the anthem and it's also dumb to get pissed at people that kneel for the anthem
@JJD2016, just shut down the NFL.
@JJD2016, you just defined yourself as a sheeple. You’re now the reference point for that word.
@JJD2016, i agree with half your statement.
@Mit, whip out the crayola and color me confused
@JJD2016, everything is stupid.
@JJD2016, folks are allowed to protest. it pisses me off but its like, textbook peaceful protest. if we're mad it means its working
Guys can we just fvcking enjoy this clearly neutral joke?
Waaaaah I'm so offended. They aren't standing for my special song. They a bunch of lazy bums who live off the government.
I haven't seen this many white people throwing a tantrum over something trivial since Starbucks put out all-red cups in December.
@Soon, it's not just white people against kneeling for anthem you racist cunt.
@DarthPlaugeistheWise, Or this guy throwing a tantrum
@Soon, Aww social justice backfiring again? Chubby cunt
@Soon, when someone makes a joke about any minority: 👍
when someone makes a joke about white guys: ACKCHYUALLY
(Oh wait sh*t - in before "his joke wasn't just about guys you sexist cunt.")
@Soon, you are one dumb fvck.
@Blue Shirted Guy, ACKCHYUALLY, WOW! I can't believe you would say that!!
Naw man I am joking
@Blue Shirted Guy, it wasn't just about white guys you sexist! (Had to do it)
@Blue Shirted Guy, wow it's almost like 99.999999999999999% of white guy jokes just take something that's not even common or stereotypical about white people and just lazily tacks on the word "white" or something.
@Oujosh29, damn it, ya got me!
@Soon, I don't know why you're getting so many downvotes. You're not wrong. Kneeling for the anthem is a nonviolent protest, it doesn't matter what they're protesting or who it bothers, it's their right to do so. These people flipping out about it care more about the flag than the freedom it's supposed to represent.
Also that Starbucks red cup thing was absolutely ridiculous. Anyone flipping out because a coffee establishment used a cup design they didn't like has WAY too much free time on their hands.
@I Are Lebo, FYI, they actually don't have a constituonal right to protest at the game. They are at their job and in uniform, there is nothing about the 1st amendment that applies here. It is all up to the NFL management, team owner, and coach to decide if they'll let the players do it. Just like if I worked at Wal-Mart I couldn't protest at the store on company time and claim it's my right
@Oujosh29, it is a nonviolent protest that is not interfering with the performance of their jobs. If they were kneeling instead of playing football, you'd have an argument. But they are kneeling instead of standing for the national anthem. Standing for the national anthem is not a part of their job description, it is simply customary.
What they are doing is ABSOLUTELY within their rights, regardless of why they are doing it.
@I Are Lebo, no, its not. Regardless of the type of protest, they are in uniform at their job on private property. They have 0 "right" to protest anything there. If the owners want to they can fire every single one of them and ban them from the stadium
@Oujosh29, the point of protesting is not to do it without bothering anyone. That gets nothing done. The purpose of professing something that you feel is injustice or unfair in such a way that people are forced to notice. People like you just want these people to go away. It's not about there being a "right time and place to protest", you simply want them to protest in a way that is easier to ignore. And to be honest, it's pretty easy to ignore someone kneeling for a national anthem.
This is not an issue. No one is being hurt, nothing is being taken away from anyone. If white rednecks are free to wear the American flag on their underwear (which is specifically prohibited in your constitution) without being labeled as traitors disrespecting the flag, then there is not reason why black athletes kneeling instead of standing when told to stand should be labeled as such.
This is a non issue.
@I Are Lebo, ok, it's a non issue. What does that have do to with it being a constituonal right, which the last couple posts were about? I don't care if the players protest (though as a vet I do think it's respectful) and I don't care if they get boycotted out of a job. It's still not their "right" to do so
@Oujosh29, you are incorrect about your assumptions. If the players were waving signs around or yelling things then there would be cause for dismissal. They knelt instead of standing. This does not matter. Move on.
Seriously. Step back and look at what is upsetting you. People kneeling. Grow the fück up and move the fück on to something that actually matters. Like mass shootings that are each the worst mass shootings in American history. Or mass death and destruction due to worsening hurricanes from climate change. Or maybe even the systematic stripping of civil rights in your own country.
If you genuinely think that it's okay for employers to fire female employees who take birth control in their private lives, but that it's not okay for a black athlete to kneel for a national anthem, then you are a despicable human being.
@I Are Lebo, you seem way too triggered over this and you keep making weird assumptions. First, I already said I don't care if they protest or if they get boycotted. Second, what's disrespectful is an opinion, and my opinion is that it is. If they have such a problem with this country they can actually do something. Third, what civil rights are being stripped? I have the same rights now as I did a decade ago. Fourth, I don't know what conspiracy news you are reading but women aren't fired for taking birth control. That's moon landing was faked kind of stupid. Fifth, you seriously need to calm down on your posts.
@Oujosh29, Tennessee is voting on whether or not to allow employers to fire female employees for taking birth control and several states have passed laws allowing employees to strip birth control from their medical plans.
Many states have outlawed abortion and many of those that do have legal abortion have manipulated events to make it nevertheless impossible to obtain.
You need to open your eyes and challenge your beliefs, because right now, "America is the greatest country in the world" has no bearing on reality.
Taking the stance "my rights aren't being infringed upon therefore no ones are" is ignorance of the highest degree.
@I Are Lebo, employers getting plans that don't have all kinds of birth control isn't the same as firing women who take it in their private lives. That whole controversy is about who is gonna pay for it, not firing anyone who will take it. And the main beef the employers have are the religious ones who don't want the birth control that stops pregnancies, not all birth control. Hobby lobby won their case but still offered 16 types of birth control. This is just hyperbole.
States literally cannot outlaw abortion. That's not factually possible unless theres been a constituonal amendment added or the supreme court overturns roe vs wade. States can change certain regulations, which is their right as a state (As long as it's not too much of a burden as defined by the courts). If their citizens have a problem with that they can vote in new leaders or vote with their feet.
I think America is the best country in the world. I grew up overseas and visited 32 different countries, not one is as
@I Are Lebo, good as America. The US is also my home, I would hope you feel the same about wherever you're from.
Ok, so what rights have Americans lost, if youre so sure they're being stripped? I definitely think this country has problem (though I can guarantee there probally the opposite of what you think are the problems) but that's true for every country
@Oujosh29, firing a woman for taking birth control is NOT the same thing as refusing to proved birth control via a health plan. But they are both wrong.
Abortion is for all practical purposes illegal in several states.
What these people do not understand and refuse to accept is that you religions do NOT supersede the civil liberties of others. You believing that abortion is wrong is NOT enough reason to make it illegal for others. Your religious beliefs are what you hold yourself to, not what you can hold strangers to.
@Oujosh29, I have already answered your question. You are willfully ignorant, and there is nothing that anyone can do to change that except for you.
You live in a country where a man landed a satellite on a comet and was then widely ridiculed because of his shirt instead of having that amazing achievement recognized. You live in a country where the crime statistics are out of control, and yet the majority of you refuse to even consider any legislation of gun control. No American citizen NEEDS an 5-16. You live in a country that brags about being all about freedom, yet has the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens per capita in the world.
The difference between patriotism and nationalism is being aware of the problems in your own country and trying to fix it, or ignoring it and claiming superiority.
Civil tensions haven't been higher since the civil war, and there are so MANY problems to address, but people like you would rather focus on athletes kneeling. It's really pathetic.
@I Are Lebo, yeah, they aren't the same. One difference is women AREN'T being fired for taking birth control. But a company should be able to pick what health plans they want to offer.
Umm, no they aren't. Abortion literally can't be made illegal unless a constituonal amendment happens or roe vs wade is overturned.
I'm an agnostic, so not religious, and I don't need to be religious to believe abortion is murder. But I won't go there, I'll just point out that your correct religious beliefs don't over ride a citizens civil liberties, BUT most of the time that never comes up, it's people trying to force religious people to violate their beliefs over stuff that AREN'T rights
@I Are Lebo, dude, I've said it twice, I don't care about the protest. Do you not even read my posts, or are you mostly just talking to yourself?
@Oujosh29, if you didn't care you wouldn't be arguing against it. I saw you say it the first time I just dismissed it because your words don't match up with your arguments.
"What rights have Americans lost?" Women in some states are losing the right to self determine their own pregnancies.
"The whole controversy is about who is gonna pay for it, not firing anyone will take it." Not in Tennessee, where they are voting on whether it can be legal to fire a woman for taking birth control.
"They actually don't have a constitutional right to protest at the game." When they're protesting by kneeling as opposed to standing, rather than actually making a political statement or disrupting the game, YES THEY DO. That is CLEARLY covered under the first amendment. The counter argument is that they are not free to not stand for the national anthem. The word for that is tyranny. That would be no different than playing a national anthem at an office building and firing anyone who won't stand.
@Oujosh29, and for the record, no, I do not think that Canada is the greatest country, because the facts do not support that stance. It being my country doesn't change its qualities.
America isn't not the greatest country in the world because I'm Canadian. America isn't the greatest country because it isn't the leader in life expectancy, quality of life, average health, average happiness, education, employment, infrastructure, or economy.
There is no quantifiable evidence to back up the statement "America is the greatest country in the world".
You should do a YouTube search on "America is no longer the greatest country in the world". It's the opening of The Newsroom, an HBO show written by Aaron Sorkin (the writer of The West Wing and The Social Network) It's extremely informative and heartfelt, as well as entertaining. It's a great show, and I think you could benefit from hearing from a character who has much love for his country, but isn't blind to its faults.
@I Are Lebo, What's your point? This entire thread turned into you maliciously bashing this poor guy because you guys disagree on very minute points. Like I get it. You dislike America, and some of the things that are going on here currently. That's great. Welcome to the club man. Don't go around spreading hate, we have more than enough of that in America and online as it is. Spread a little love and have a nice, counter balanced conversation instead of sitting on the high horse the entire time. This whole thing was over the fact that you cannot do whatever you like during your job, which is 100% true. While being a football player might have different stipulations, in any other business, if I was in uniform and decided to do something my employer didn't like instead of doing my job, he would have every right to get rid of me. Whether or not that actually happens doesn't matter. That's the fact, however the coach's handle it is how they handle it.
@I Are Lebo, I'm not entirely sure why you assumed he was mad at all about the protesting, because he said he had no opinion on the matter multiple times. He simply stated that it wasn't implicitly the player's right to kneel in uniform while at work. Which is true. Idk man. Sad you had to be so hostile. There are better ways to portray your ideas, especially within this community.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, what reality are you watching? Seriously? This isn't me bashing the guy this is me raising awareness to the terrible things this man is doing that you are purposely oblivious to.
Donald Trump is straining relations at home, further dividing an already divided country. He is straining relations abroad, isolating the USA, and those tactics, as well as tactics like sowing dissent through media attacks, are the first steps towards attempting to overthrow a democracy. Now, I think that threat is small, but Rome fell, and Greece fell, and only an idiot who ignores history would think that the USA is incapable of falling.
"In any other business, if I was in uniform and decided to do something my employer didn't like instead of doing my job, he would have every right to get rid of me."
The players kneeling are still doing their jobs. They are kneeling instead of standing. That's it. Standing for the national anthem is not part of their job description. Firing them for
kneeling would be like the boss at another job firing an employee for not saluting their boss every time he walked by. An employer does NOT have the right to dismiss an employee for not doing something that is not part of their job description.
And in what universe is "get rid of them" or "fire the sonafabitch" having no opinion on the protesting? Donald Trump is one who made this an issue in the first place. It is NOT an issue. Nonviolent protest is a staple right.
Conservatives complain when black people protest violently, and then complain again when they do so peacefully. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.
It is the right of every American to stand sit or kneel whenever they want. Saying that you don't have the right to not stand for the national anthem is tyranny, and it scares the shït out of me when Americans start talking about throwing their weight around.
America has been the bully of the world since 1946, and it scares the hell out of me how many Americans are totally
blind to this. Your country has been at constant war for the last 65 years, because that's how the military industrial complex keeps itself profitable.
So don't tell me not to get upset at what America does, both at home and abroad, because they are literally fücking up this planet, and if they are not stopped, they WILL take away our collective future.
Elon Musk has been BEGGING Donald Trump to let him help the people of Puerto Rico. Trump says they will be without power for maybe a couple of years. Musk says he can not only get them power in a month, he can get them self sustaining power making them never have to pay for their electricity again. Trump is blocking him.
The man is not just a scumbag personally, his policies seek to take advantage of Americans any way he can and I don't understand how people like you are so blind that you refuse to see it.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, these are NOT minute points.
@I Are Lebo, What's funny is I agree with everything you said about Trump and America. I'm not oblivious to his wrong doings, or to the fact that the states aren't stable right now. I'm all for protesting, to be honest, and I don't have an issue with them kneeling at all, you have to protest however you can peacefully and even our military vets are protecting their ability to do so. But, yet again, you take your high horse and assume that I don't know how to research or build my opinion because I'm an American. Because I'm American I'm automatically blind to everything going on around me, which I am not. I can see the struggles, and I am doing what a broke, 20 year old in college can do which is vote, protest, and have an opinion.
@I Are Lebo, Look man, you can keep personally attacking me and calling me blind, ignorant, and insinuating all you want. We are on the same page, which almost every single thing you have. My only point has been that employers have final say over your employment. If you don't do what you are supposed to do during work hours you can be let go by an employer. Morals and rights put aside, that's just the way it is.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, I don't think your blind because you're American. I think you're blind because you make arguments that are not indicative of reality. When you argue that Trump didn't take a stand on athletes kneeling for the national anthem, you are either lying, or you are ignorant or you are simply ignoring all of the extremely inflammatory things Trump has said about them. He is now attempting to levy an ultimatum against the NFL that if they don't fire any athlete who kneels during the anthem that the government will cut supports to the NFL.
It has nothing to do with my high horse. This issue is not about me. This immediate issue is about you, and people like you that ignore any information that challenges your worldview. You trying to turn this on me, bringing up my hostility as the issue rather than the actual issues, is a major problem. Instead of listening to my points, you dismiss me as being an angry America hater.
So clearly you do NOT agree with everything I said
about Trump, because you continue to argue counter to my points, ignoring the very clear evidence that your country is heading directly for catastrophe, steered by men whose first, second, and third priorities are their profit margins, and for whom 'long term thinking' is thinking about the business moves they'll take next year to make even more money than this year.
THAT'S the issue here, not athletes 'not respecting' the flag. You know what's REALLY disrespectful to the flag? Having a shïtty businessman thinking that he can run a country like he does his businesses. When Trump magazine gets closed, he opens a university. When Trump university shuts down, he opens a hotel. When that hotel shuts down, he starts a construction project for which he never plans to pay his contractors. When he runs the country into the ground, he will leave everyone else to pick up the pieces.
If you think you can count on Donald Trump, you are deluding yourself. Unless you are a part of the 1% elite
business owners, people who are Trump's kin, he does NOT have your interests at heart. His behaviour, and the laws that he slips through while constantly distracting the populace have shown this again and again.
Trump is a magician. His right hand is shoving tweets and press conferences at you to distract you while with his left hand he is attempting to take your country away from you.
If you do not seek to become aware you will wake up one day to find that your country has become completely perverted and it will be far too late for you to do anything about it.
@I Are Lebo, Look man, you can keep personally attacking me and calling me blind, ignorant, and insinuating all you want. We are on the same page about almost every single thing point you have. My only point has been that employers have final say over your employment. If you don't do what you are supposed to do during work hours you can be let go by an employer. Morals and rights put aside, that's just the way it is.
@I Are Lebo, Also, please point me in the direction of something that shows how Trump is blocking Musk from helping PR. Since he is an independent business man, doesn't he have every right to go right over to PR and preform his project?
@Pandaren Brewmaster, I am not privy to the specifics of the situation with Elon Musk and Trump. I suggest you to research this on your own rather than expecting me to provide you with comprehensive proof via an anonymous online forum.
You say we are on the same page but I do not see that, AT ALL. You defend Trump, citing things that are blatantly not true, like him having "no opinion" on the NFL athletes kneeling. You brush off my fears about the direction of the country, but then say that you don't disagree, and you argue things that sound like you think employers have ownership of their employees individual actions, even those that do not affect job performance, and that is simply not true.
The fact that people in non PR jobs get fired all the time for things they say on social media is disgusting as it is. You should not be able to be fired for things that you say and do in your offtime that do not affect your job performance.
I am fighting for freedom of speech and whether or
@I Are Lebo, Also, please point me in the direction of something that shows how Trump is blocking Musk from helping PR. Since he is an independent business man, doesn't he have every right to go right over to PR and preform his project? Edit: also, this article says PR will have 95% of electricity returned in 4-6 months, and that's without Musk's help.
not you intend so, you are fighting against it.
We are not allies. We are not on the same page. If you seek to educate yourself on how Trump's words do not match his actions, by all means. Better yourself. But until that point, I think I've said all I need to, and I have work that I need to get done now, because that is a higher priority for me than attempting to educate you as to why your stance is factually wrong.
I wish you a good day, and I hope you decide to pull your head out of the metaphorical sand, but whether you do so or not is entirely up to you. As much as disagree with people clinging to ignorance, it is their right to be able to choose that. That's what freedom is.
@I Are Lebo, You can't use Elon and Trump in your argument and then run away when it backfires in your face like a scared dog you twat. The hilarious thing is that I haven't even made an argument this entire thread. Simply stated a fact. I never said that Trump didn't take a stand on the kneeling, and no I don't agree with everything you said that's why I specified ALMOST in my post. I haven't dismissed you whatsoever, simply asked that you approach your conversations with a bit of grace because you come off as a huge cunt. I agree, the issue here is Trump, and like I said I am doing everything in my power to protest his being in office. Please, come down here and protest with me if you care so much. I've got a room here you can stay in, and we can march down on the White House together. I haven't defended Trump a single time, in fact I condemned him in an early post in that I protest against his presidency and disagree with everything that he has done. Trump is an idiot and corrupt.
@I Are Lebo, Again, morals aside, employers have the right to do exactly that. It might suck, but that's the way capitalism works. It isn't beneficial to civil rights, but fact is that that is the way it works here currently. That's the only point I ever tried to make. Your example is perfect, people in non PR jobs getting fired for tweets and actions they make online, simply because they represent the company. I agree with you, you shouldn't be able to fired for things done away from the job, but that's the way it works here in the U.S.
@I Are Lebo, What work are you doing, exactly? I fully expect a cop out here but I'm curious if you'll answer. You've made arguments in this thread that don't apply to anyone, you've applied these arguments to phantom's for reasons I'm not fully aware. Not sure if you have some mental issues or what but I'm fully ready to keep writing back when you inevitably respond. And if you don't, I'll assume this whole thing was an elaborate troll which it most likely is. You put words into my mouth and tell me what I am arguing, while I tell you the exact opposite idea. It's not even infuriating, it's almost humorous. The way you formulate entire paragraphs of blather that do not even apply to what I had written implies you either don't care about this or are not able to preform such a simple function as creating a relevant argument.
@I Are Lebo, Anyways, good luck. I realize now that you most likely have issues and take to the internet to make yourself feel like a big strong man, which is okay! You do you buddy. Best wishes from the U.S :)
@Pandaren Brewmaster, look, I'm the first person to admit that I can be extremely aggressive in pushing forth my ideals and can be very, VERY opinionated. I do have anger issues and I deal with that on a day to day basis. As for some personal information about myself to provide context, I am a 29 year old Jewish white male that lives just north of Toronto, Canada. I suffer with chronic pain and am on government support. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which I think while not totally accurate, is a good enough diagnosis as I fall through a lot of cracks in the mental health fields. My background includes stays in crisis centres and group homes, and I have extensive background with both sides of the psychiatric doctor/patient dichotomy. I'm very intelligent but struggle with applying that intelligence to anything real, and have never been able to hold down a 'normal' job for more than three months (most of me jobs have ended within the first week of employment).
My brother works in California as a movie producer, and through him I am chasing a career as a scriptwriter. I have one project that is progressing nicely, though still very much in pre production, and another that I spent most of today writing the Beat Sheet for.
I do have issues, and while I don't think I am taking them out for the purposes of a superiority complex, there is always the possibility that I am wrong. I am ALWAYS open to the chance of being wrong, no matter how right I think I am. I think that's important.
Having said that, you have expressed not so much arguments as facts, facts that are simply not true. Some of these are clear, some others I may have misunderstood. You specifically said that Trump has not taken a stance against the NFL protestors. This is simply not true. He has taken an overwhelmingly antagonistic stance against the players kneeling. He has tweeted inflammatory comments against players, insulting them and demanding them to be fired. He has tweeted
more often about the NFL as he has about Puerto Rico and Las Vegas put together.
About Elon Musk and Puerto Rico I got part of that wrong. A quick google search will show how Musk has plans to revitalize PR, but I actually could not find any information about Trump being involved in that, so I recant that due to possible misinformation (my brother was the one who told me about it, I hadn't researched it myself).
This is not an elaborate troll, and while I do enjoy messing with people here and there for my own amusement, I'm being serious here. While I apologize for being antagonistic, if the tone of my argument is all you're seeing, I don't know what else I can really do about that.
I looked down on your comments because you said things like Trump said this, therefore what you're saying isn't true. You say that abortion literally cannot be made illegal, yet in 10 states right now, for all practical purposes it is.
In Idaho, a woman was arrested and charged for buying medicine
online because she could afford to make it all the way to the state's ONLY abortion clinic and ended up criminalized because of it.
Similar laws are in place to prevent women from having first or second term abortions in Iowa, Utah, Louisiana, Kansas, Virginia, Mississippi, Indiana, Ohio, and South Dakota. And as I mentioned, Tennessee is voting on whether to allow fundamentalist Christian employers to be able to fire female employees for taking birth control ever.
I am frustrated by the appearance that you give off of being intentionally unaware or unwilling to acknowledge some things in your country that are massive problems. All I'm hearing is a critique of my mentality. I am a negative person. I look at the world in a negative light. This is my issue, not yours. So with all due respect, if you have a problem with my outlook, too bad.
Because the issues I bring up are very real, and the fact that you claim to be aware and agreeing with me is offset by your denials that the issues
exist at all.
So to sum up. I'm an asshole. I am aware that I'm asshole. I'm a negative person because I look at the world and see it hurtling towards Oblivion. We are facing MULTIPLE galactic filters that are more than capable of making our species extinct. IF we are able to avoid destroying ourselves, and IF we do not change our collective mentality about resource consumption and secondary effects to our environment, we are going to spread like a cancer through the stars, consuming entire planets in our wake.
I worry about the future, because our planets leadership seems concerned only with the present. So I talk about problems. It's not about sharing hate, it's about labelling the source of the problem. Donald Trump is not that source. He is a symptom. But the threats that he poses to democracy are very real, and should not be dismissed, which is what you are doing when you say things like "He hasn't taken a stance on this issue" or "this entire thread is about you maliciously
bashing this poor guy because you guys disagree on every minute points"
That's dismissal. I don't hate Trump because of what he says I hate Trump because of what he does. It is NOT minute when he tries to strip healthcare from millions of people and it is NOT a hate campaign to bring attention to that.
Do you know why I actually dislike America? It's because after supporting the Nazis during the 1930s and early 1940s, via supplying them with vehicles and munitions, they used the opportunity to establish a foothold across the earth and continue to make conflict after conflict across the globe for over half a century. Trump presents a real threat to the entire world in a way that Kim Jong Un can only dream of. But American media is excellent at covering this up by throwing distraction after distraction at you and saturating your minds with drivel.
Why do you think no one is talking about the fact that Trump openly gave confidential information to Russian informants?
Because he did.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, in any event, I just realized I ranted for ANOTHER six comments, and if you actually read them all I applaud you for your patience.
I'm going to go and try to calm down at this point. Please take your time to respond if you choose to, and I do genuinely wish you a pleasant day.
@I Are Lebo, I'm not the one that said those comments, to start with. I truly don't think that I personally said that Trump did not take a stand on the football players, because I know for a fact that he did since he made Pence leave a game simply because the players were kneeling. If that's not taking a stance I don't know what is. I think at some point my points and Oujosh's points got muddled, resulting in a lot of confusion from both parties about what we both stand for. I'll end this whole thing, with this. I don't appreciate being told I am willfully ignorant when I am trying to convey to you that I am not through my opinions on Trump and current issues, and I can't figure out why you think I am. Just because we don't share 100% of the same ideas doesn't make either of us wrong. That's the beautiful things about opinions. Trump is, however, a plague on this planet, but I think more people are beginning to realize this.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, fair enough
@I Are Lebo, I don't think I'm woke, but I make an effort to understand the world around me, so you can understand how frustrating it can be to be simply told ,"you're willfully blind and ignorant". You don't seem like a bad guy, and passion is never a bad thing, I just wish you'd channel it more focused and less angry. Don't judge the sons on the deeds of the fathers, not all Americans are evil. We want peace and prosperity as much as the next guy, and not all of us are greedy bastards. I wish you luck with your script, or screenplay, not 100% on the term. My intention was never to dismiss Trump's actions, but rather provoke more successful conversation. All of these things NEED to be discussed, just in a different way. Like I said at the beginning, there is already so much rage and hate, sometimes we need some patience when we talk about trying topics such as this.
@I Are Lebo, Don't feel like you have to respond, I don't mean any of this to provoke further disagreement. I feel like we have both said our piece, and should probably move on, enjoy funny pics and reflect. When your screenplay goes onto television, or whatever the end result is, let me know. I would like to watch it, or be a part of enjoying it.
@Pandaren Brewmaster, I totally agree. For the record, I think Americans are ignorant because the leadership is intentionally making them that way, not through any intrinsic fault of their own.
When everyone around you is telling you the wrong things from childhood, how can the vast majority know any better? It's like with racism. If a white body growing up in an all white neighbourhood grows up being told that black peoples are criminals and thugs, how would he know any better? The people telling him have earned his trust and he has no reason to doubt them.
That's how ignorance works.
So I hope you didn't take my inflammatory language personally. It doesn't seem like you did. My intention was never to put you down, only to bring awareness to an issue I'm passionate about.
Perhaps they are kneeling before the flag to pray. Asking God to remind people, who have forgotten, what freedom means. And to help give those who need it, the capacity to understand that forcing others to stand for a symbol of freedom is a contradiction of what that symbol mean.
I love how the owner came out a little bit ago talking up a big game about anyone kneeling getting benched or fired. Tough talk for a lying hypocrite I say. Maybe if you want people to take your word and side with you, you shouldn't organize a teamwide kneel and join them in it too. I don't care what side you're on anymore, this particular story struck me as being dishonest considering he was fine with it after breaking his word and now he has a totally different tune. If I were a Cowboys fan I'd have burned my jearsy, hat, and anything else reaonably burnable because this is just disgraceful how overly political this has gotten.
Honestly the cowboys are taking the right approach doing it this way. Taking a knee before the anthem then standing like they always did during. Best way to get their message across without being accused of disrespecting the flag.