Well, the Crusades were a response to the imperialism and oppression of the theocratic muslim empire. "Self defense" isn't an appropriate way to describe it, but it sure as hell wasn't unprovoked.
Also, feeling shame for something you neither participated in nor supported is stupid. Shaming people who neither participated in or supported the event in question is fųcking disgusting.
@Doctor Krieger, ^troof
@Doctor Krieger, not really, the main reason for the crusades was religious expansion. The Christians in the area of turkey, living under the Ottoman Empire, were allowed autocracy, whereas under the Roman Catholics, they would be punished for heresy because they were Eastern Orthodox. That's why most Eastern Orthodox communities supported the Ottomans. Now, it is true that in 1035, the Turkish army sacked Jerusalem and killed 3000 people, however, that was in a war of conquest, and after that, Christians and Jewish people could self-govern, since the center of the Turkish/Ottoman empire was too far away. The stated cause was liberation of the people, but they clearly never talked to the people they were trying to liberate. That would be like China declaring war on the US for the mistreatment of Native Americans.
@UmActually, except the crusades were primarily about retaking the Christian heartland from the muslims who violently conquered the land. In addition, the muslims continued attacking Christian land. That the muslims treated the conquered okish if they paid the jitz doesn't really mean anything since non muslims were still treated as second class citizens
@Oujosh29, and non-Catholics were actively punished under Roman catholic rule. The punishment for preaching either Orthodox Christian or Judaism was either death or exile.
@UmActually, and? Never said the Catholics were good. Doesn't change the motivation for the crusades either
@Oujosh29, like I said, it's like someone declaring war on the United States for mistreatment of Native Americans.
@UmActually, no, the crusades were about the holy land, Jerusalem specifically, not the Christians there. The people were an afterthought. An equivalent would be the US conquering Mecca, then 400 years later the muslims banding together to take it back.
@Oujosh29, That's not what the original post was arguing, though, so that's entirely besides the point
I feel like this is an appropriate place to shout DEUS VULT
@MCPO S117, Yea, that should be switched out for the "ave Maria" at the end.
@MCPO S117, you're just another stupid tin can aren't you! þú ert dauður!
@MCPO S117, DEUS VULT
@WifitheRouter, INDEED, AND MORE BLOOD FOR THE- wait, wait no thats not right wrong god my bad
DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT!DEUUUUSSSSS VUUUULLLLTTTT!!!!!!
The crusades happened centuries ago and if you're still upset for whatever reason I recommend you climb down off the cross you built for yourself and use the wood to build a bridge and get over it
D E U S V U L T
Glad they started thinking clearly by the end.
This goes against its rules, the first and last kinda goes to same direction.... but still upvote
Its not Ave Maria - its Deus Vult