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I'm more likely to die from the flu or an STD than the Corona yet no one tells me to wear a mask, yet they want everyone to wear one so they can make it look worse than what it is. This is more about politics than safety.
@ Emco567, You don’t spread STDs through air particles and flu shots are already a thing ffs 🤦♂️
@coo111, actually, there's no definitive vaccine for the flu(specifically the influenza flu) because of the many strands of the flu.
@ Emco567, I know that, but they still protect people from the different strands of flu and thus limit the spread the flu would have otherwise, which is also the point of masks, to limit the spread as it would have otherwise
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I know there are subjects in which we all have different opinions on and thats okay. Funnypics has been in my life for as long or longer than ive been married to the love of my life and just because we disagree doesnt mean that i harbor a hatred for you. I hope you feel the same as i do when i say that you guys are as much family to me as my wife and kids are. Love you guys.
@MMSieBreeze, no hate, just debate. Your amazing Breeze!
@Dephenistrator, as are you, buddy!
More than likely people who will wear that dont care about wearing masks.
A mask in a pandemic is about as effective as hiding beneath a school desk in a nuclear fallout. No policy proposed to date would stop, or even slow, the spread of an infectious disease. None yet are meant to.
Covids death rate is 0.04 or lower right now....
In my state its 0.018
@MMSieBreeze, the death rate isn't the point you Muppet, the point is its highly infectious and requires intensive care for a lot of cases and we don't have the capacity to handle all the cases if we let it spread out of control. Then things like Italy happen where you have overburdened hospitals where you have to triage care and people who don't need to die do and it ends up causing panic and a breakdown of the healthcare system.
@MMSieBreeze, also death rate isn’t everything, a lot of people who get sick end up with permanent lung problems and think of it like this, the more people get sick the less hospital beds, the less hospital beds, the more people will die, there isn’t an infinite source of nurses and doctors
@jouze, okay, then why are most confirmed cases asymptomatic or show very mild symptoms? Its far more rare to see severe cases than to not even have symptoms. Hospitalization rate is only up because they test and count everyone that goes in for anything. Infection rate doesnt matter as much when most that get it dont need care.
@MMSieBreeze, let me ask you this. Is not being inconvenienced more important than even a single person dying? I would rather wear a mask every time I walked out of my house if it could help prevent even a single death.
@Patamon, have you asked yourself that every year for as long as the flu as been killing people? Have you been wearing a mask all your life in fear?
@MMSieBreeze, face it. You’re a heartless jerk. You should be a statistic.
@MMSieBreeze, no, but I do avoid going out unless absolutely necessary when I feel sick. Also, masks are not a sign of fear, they are a sign if compassion. The mask is not to protect me, it is to protect others. If I get Covid-19 I will likely survive, but the people I pass or interact with may be caring for or living with people with higher risk factors, and I'd rather not risk exposing them to a virus that is more deadly and widespread then the flu.
I was getting cozy to debate, and you just jump in and wish the man's death. The f@ck is wrong with you?
@MMSieBreeze, how many times do people have to drill this in your head that this is different than the flu?
1. ~20-25% of cases require acute care, and ~5% require intensive care. the more we let this disease spread uncontrolled the more the death rate comes closer and closer to that 5% mark because we don't have the resources to save those intensive cases. I dont think i need to explain to you the math of how much worse a 5% death rate is
2. Most cases are not asymptomatic, early studies including one paper from may show only ~30% are asymptomatic, many show mild symptoms but the danger there is these people are infectious even before they show symptoms for a long period. This infectious period is much longer than that of the flu and presymptomatic spread of the flu is not nearly as common.
3. This notion that they give everybody in the hospital a covid label is wildly untrue, there is clearly a bias towards being overly cautious and labeling anything suspected of being so as covid
@That one lurker, are we reading the same posts? The dude clearly does not care about other people dying. He cares about statistics, so let him be one.
@Patamon, if they feel they need protection then they need to take precautions. Not force it in others.
@MMSieBreeze, cont) but this at most is results in a minor change to the statistics. Ask any er nurse in an area where cases are spiking, they are being overwhelmed
4. This is also different from the flu because the flu doesn't have pandemic spread rates because a lot of people already have moderate immunity due to previous versions of the flu. Our bodies are pretty well suited to handle the flu. We have never built up anything to the coronavirus, and therefore every single person is a potential infection, and it can spread exponentially. This exponential spread is the crux of why its so dangerous and how it can overwhelm our healthcare system
@That one lurker, jouze started off with an insult as well, it is what it is.
@MMSieBreeze, so are you confirming that you would rather not put on a mask because it is inconvenient than help stop the spread of a worldwide pandemic?
@Patamon, the problem that I honestly see with the "protection of the single life" debate, is to what extent it stops at. Especially whenever it's brought up with gun debates specifically.
Different areas of the country is under different restrictions, not legislatively, but density. For high density areas like major cities, wearing the mask should be mandatory, and rural areas like in small cities and towns. It's perfectly fine for people not to wear masks.
At the current point this virus is a bad flu, the only reason why it's a bad flu though is because it is a novel virus. Look at the current effects in New York. Because of their terrible policies in handling the Coronavirus they've effectively reached herd immunity by the worst way possible. So living in "fear" is one way to State the over-cautious attitude of most people have, I would say we would do better to be less anal about it.
That's me personally.
@jouze, how do you get 5%? What do you think it is right now? Prolly 2-3% like the media wants you to think. And in your stats you only list 60%. 25 need some 5% need intensive, and 30 show none, that must leave 40% for very minor symptoms not needing care. That would mean that 40% show minor and 30 show none resulting in 70% not showing or not needing care at all.
@DogStew, I've read through the post, that's how I came to yours. When discussing about dire topics using statistics help lower the blow for all involved. This is so that we can come to an agreeable solution without becoming overly emotional. Unlike you, he is not wishing any one dead. He's trying to learn and have conversation. If that makes him a "heartless jerk" what does that make you?
@MMSieBreeze, Hiroshi Nishiura et al May 2020, Kenji Mizumoto et al 2020, there's plenty of science on this if you use Google scholar and pay attention to the epidemiologists that study these things. And the 70% is not the important part, the important part is those that need the care that we cannot provide it to if we don't slow the spread of the disease. Every year we can let the flu run free and we have enough resources to care for the intensive cases because of the type and amount of care it requires. We absolutely cannot do that for covid
@Patamon, are you confirming that youre being hypocritical about even one life mattering? Flu season kills people too you know
@That one lurker, you think you can sugar coat people’s deaths, and that makes it okay? Just wear your mask. It’s not that bad.
@MMSieBreeze, the flu kills about 30k people. Covid has killed over HALF A MILLION in less than 6 months. Wear your fvcking mask you degenerate.
@MMSieBreeze, for intensive care cases; Andrea Remuzzi "covid 19 and Italy, whats next" 2020, and Guan WJ, et al. "Clinical chacteristics of coronavirus disease" 2020
@Not him again, thats worldwide. In the us we have 3.3million cases and only 133k deaths.
@jouze, your data is a little out of date. Today is busy for me, but I can come back to give you some up-to-date things. Since major test have shown ways to slow the virus, to a massively manageable problem.
Numbers have been inflated significantly, prompt and pushed by hospitals, since they get a grant for each case "confirmed".
At this time, the death rate hasn't tickted up. If we don't see a 400% spike in deaths from these riots, then this virus is dead. We'll need to be careful with vulnerable people i.e. people with weak immune system. Other then that we're fine.
@Not him again, the flu kills over half a million yearly
@That one lurker, I appreciate you not attacking me, even though im sure you disagree with me on the whole mask thing.
@DogStew, sugar coat deaths? Like you care for them, you're advocating for adding to them.
What ever man, bad faith gaslighter, can't even tell people to kill them selves right.
@Not him again, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
@MMSieBreeze, dude, attacking someone for what they do, or do not wear is petty at best. If this hadn't been blown up by politics then today would've been another Saturday to everyone and we wouldn't even know about this whole coronavirus thing.
But cause orange man bad, then it got polarized.
Like with the Hydrochloric thing, media and political pressure pushed hospitals to not recommend it. The media kept signing a story in Africa, a single person died during testing trials. Three times rec. dose had heart failure, a known side effect, since this drug is pretty common for several other occasions. Then after 2 months of gaslighting, then go back and stealth edit the pages or delete them out right. All cause orange man bad.
@That one lurker, dude shut up. You are not even close to being righteous.
@DogStew, I don't need to be righteous. I just won't play in the mud with you.
@That one lurker, good.
@That one lurker, I had a friend get sick, so he scheduled a test to see if he had the 'rona. He slept in and missed the test, but a couple days later got a letter telling him he tested positive. These hospitals really seem to want this extra funding.
@Pyvin, your friend is setting on some money. If he can prove it he can get it in the news. Think of how much of our taxes are being siphoned just by this alone. Regardless, I hope he gets better soon.
@Pyvin, and people still dont think the numbers are inflated....smh
@That one lurker, "hydrochloric thing". Hydroxychloroquinine was only shown to be effective in one study that had only 26 patients (not nearly enough to have statistical power, and with multiple patients excluded due to "negative outcomes") and only in "mild cases" which already have a high recovery rate without the drug. So at best it showed correlation not causation. Then later studies with larger sample pools in France, Italy, and the USA showed it was ineffective in severe cases (the cases where we actually need a treatment) and that in mild cases it does not actually improve the recovery rate. It is an ineffective drug that was latched onto because early on media latched onto a study that was not rigorous enough and since then people have refused to admit they made a mistake
@That one lurker, the data I cited wasn't from hospitals, it was from studies pulled from cases where every person of a cohort was exposed to the virus. I would be happy to look at any more recent peer reviewed sources with cited methods that say otherwise but I dont know of any
@jouze, there was a study released recently that shows using hydroxichloriquine as a treatment can reduce the mortality rate if administered early enough. It is only really effective if you start taking it before the major symptoms manifest, but if you catch it early enough it can significantly reduce the risk of death.
@Doctor Yak, you can't copy text from funny pics comments so that link doesn't help. Whats the primary author and title?
@jouze, the title is "Treatment with Hydroxichloroquine, Azythromycin, and Combination in Patients Hospitalized with Covid-19" and it was published to the International Journal of Infectious Disease. Authors were Samia Arshad, Paul Kilgore, Zohra S. Chaudhry, William O'Neill, and Marcus Zervos.
@MMSieBreeze, no it's not, it's more like 10~%, mortality rate is percent of deaths out of all resolved cases because it's meant to show how often someone who contracts the disease either survives it or dies from it. Anyone telling you it's 0.4% either doesn't know how mortality rates work or is intentionally trying to mislead people into thinking it's less dangerous than it is.
@Doctor Yak, thank you, that is a very good study and I appreciate the attention to detail to sorting out the confounding variables. They do mention that it is only a non-randomized retrospective study however, and many others using this method have found conflicting results. But I think it does potentially highlight the importance of early administration of the drug. However because its a retrospective study we won't know if the effect is causative or due to some selction process by the study until later when a controlled randomized or mechanistic trial is done
@jouze, I was honestly on a downward tilt, needing a two hour nap in one, before getting back to work. I used hydroxychloroquine as an example of something that had promise, but was stunted for two months cause the media would rather people die then to have Trump be right about something. I was saying it to show a solid part of this is political.
Also, you can note text down to the text box, and copy from that to your browser. 👍
@MMSieBreeze, come on man. You're better than this.
@DogStew, calm down there sammy
@ThePandaPool , go bother someone else.
@DogStew, if you say so sammy.
@ThePandaPool , please elaborate for me. All i did was post the current mortality rate in the us and my state. And based on that i made the conclusion that masks should not be forced on people. If you think you need to take precautions then do so, just dont force it on others. If you are business owner and you feel the need to require customers to wear masks fine. Youll just lose out on money from people who would rather go elsewhere.
@Patamon, don’t bother. Clown shoes who can’t be bothered for the safety of others aren’t worth your time. Simply reply with,”JESUS SAW YOU BEING AN ASSHOLE,” and let the Lord deal with them
@MMSieBreeze, the mortality rate changes everyday. (Insert lack of intelligence insult here)
@DogStew, what is your point..? That the numbers for covid change daily? Of course they do, its a new virus that no one has any sort of built up immunity to. And still its far less deadly than the media claims. seriously guy, you dont have to result to insults to have a discussion. All that really does is prove that you are unwilling to accept anything you dont already believe.
@MMSieBreeze, “All I did was post the current mortality rate in the US and my state. And based on that I made the conclusion that masks should not be forced on people.” I’m quoting you here. You said this. The current mortality rate does not determine the need for a mask. The mortality rate can jump sporadically in any direction. Masks are designed to lower the infectious rate. Go to the hospital and ask a doctor. Ask 2. Ask all the doctors. Your opinion based on mortality rate is not well thought out.
@DogStew, that would be a good point, if it wernt for doctors fluffing the numbers for grant money. And before you come at me with empty insults, there have been doctors who have spoken out against this practice bit have been silenced by the media. One in particular that i would have to look the video up on spoke out on being ridiculed for calling them out on it.
@DogStew, this further shows that not only is the media blowing this way out of proportion, but hospitals are also to blame. At this point im not even sure the infection rate is as high as it says, let alone the death rate/death count.
@MMSieBreeze, Your link doesn’t work. Hey, I’m down for a good conspiracy. This is not one of them. 500,000 dead in 6 months is no joke.
@MMSieBreeze, i think we've discussed this before but i want to expand on something jouze said... 5% require intensive care. From the conversations I've had is that these patients have longterm sequelae including lung fibrosis, heart injury, and recently it was found to cross into the CNS. This is also in addition to ICU weakness and delirium that is also a consequence of it so even if those patients live, they may not ever return to baseline.
The numbers fluctuate wildly because we're getting 40,000 new cases per day which decreases the cases to death ratio... but don't worry, it'll catch up. The average patient takes 18-20 days from symptom onset to die.
@jouze, nice literature evaluation on those studies... although this hasn't been publicized widely, did you know The Lancet articles that initially cast hydroxychloroquine into negative light were redacted? Pretty shady stuff.
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@MMSieBreeze, only? Only 133k? So that makes it ok for you to walk around infecting other people?
@Dangerous Dan Spivey, imma level with you here, A LOT of studies on coronavirus are being redacted left and right. Thats because its a high priority topic so journals and researchers aren't doing their due diligence in crafting/approving research papers. Many papers have been redacted due to their methods of parsing data for analysis which is why you have to be skeptical about retrospective studies since thats all they really are, just a look at numbers and statistics. I'm always skeptical of lancet articles because do a lot of experimental medicine (they published the initial anti-vax article ffs). But many other studies not published by the lancet that are still up show hydroxyc being ineffective. So the science is still not entirely conclusive but is largely pointing to it being a correlation effect. But again we are waiting for a gold standard study to prove that and the problem is those things take a lot of time which is obviously something people aren't ready to wait for
@jouze, the death rate is absolutely the point. And no it seems like many people who get this disease dont even go to the hospital.
@DogStew, just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they want people to die. He could easily say the same thing to you about the economy.
@CocoasBro, 500,000 dead in 6 months and counting. You and everyone you know could be next. How is that an opinion someone disagrees with? That’s rhetorical. It’s not an opinion; it’s a fact.
@DogStew, 90 people dead in japan from corona virus. They didnt even shut down.
@CocoasBro, they wear masks in Japan. Not just for covid19, they always wear masks.
@MMSieBreeze, NO FACTS! FACTS BAD! MASKS GOOD! BIDEN SMART! FREEDOM BAD!!!!!!
@jouze, the point is people die of other stuff everyday and nobody cares. People are enforcing lockdowns and ruining this country because of a virus. There are treatments that help already but the media shuts them down because they are paid off by the pharma industry. They dont want HQC and zinc regiment because nobody will profit off it. Hospitals WANT more covid cases because they get more money. The nurses suffer because of the greed upstairs telling them what to do. They are being told to let patients die in NY, why? Because you get more money for a covid death then a recovered patient.its all about money. If doctors really cared about the people, then why are we okay with 800K babies killed a year, but not 130k from a disease. Shear Hypocrisy.
@jouze, "a lot of cases" lol I work in a hospital and icu has had a lot less patients than usual.
@Wakeley, lol, imagine being so shortsighted that you think the one hospital you work at is indicative of how a whole nation of hospitals are doing
@jouze, lol imagine being scared of a virus that kills a tiny amount of people. And the hospital i work at is in florida so should be overflown right?
@CocoasBro, "many" isn't all, and demographically speaking 5-10% of people who get covid will require hosptial care. That is not based on statistics and reporting which as people have said can be manipulated, that is just the population demographics of our country and the number of preexisting conditions and elderly we have. We absolutely do not have the capacity to care for anywhere near that amount of people, so if we let this run wild people who need care cant get it and end up dying. That causes that death rate which is so low right now to slowly creep towards that 5% I shouldn't have to explain the math on why that is so much worse
@Wakeley, do you really think that one anecdote is indicative of a trend? No matter where you are at because one data point doesn't mean anything in something this big, your story could well be due to logistics and a million other factors. And even conservative estimates put the death toll in the hundreds of thousands, which is only in the past 4 months the virus has really been active worldwide which isn't exactly a tiny amount of people
@jouze, hospitalizations have only increased because every person that comes to the ed is being tested and if they test positive they count as a hospitalization no matter the reason they come to the ed. Deaths have also decreased. Its not as bad as being reported. If you're this worried you should be this worried about the flue every year. And yeah there is a flu vaccine but yet millions of people get the flu every year even if they get the virus. Better never leave your house someone might die
@Hot Coffee, holy shjt thats good! Im laughing my ass off over here!
@Wakeley, thank you! Pretty sure i made these points earlier.
@jouze, yes but many is also probably the majority. And the at risk people are gonna get it regardless.
Also i dont think youre right about our capacity to care for them. Considering we closed multiple national gaurd outposts set up to care for them because they werent needed.
@CocoasBro, if you reread through this thread(sorry im intoxicated so i shouldnt be posting) he says a lot of people need intensive care, then turns around and says only 5% need intensive care. So he contradicted his own statement. Maybe im just drunk tho... iunno...
@MMSieBreeze, figured I would just summarize the counter arguments at full volume for you so you don’t have to muddle through all the other replies.
@MMSieBreeze, 5% of 376 million all at once is big number. It just looks like it wont happen like that.
@That one lurker, id still be interested in reading this data
@jouze, not only forgetting about the main overarching content of the post. I decided to do research and set of reading it all again. So if this doesn't answer your question then you can reiterated after the points.
I looked up world totals of deaths, compared it to us totals. Ny, is both are highly infested States and one with the most deaths. Makes up 5.54%of world total. In contrast the US total death toll has been majorly inflated by .64% of the population making 42% of the total death toll. Making 9.94% of world total. The US makes up 23.65% of world total deaths.
May look messy,
US old folks homes/W=9.94%
Whoever thinks that Covid is exaggerated is so no no no no not bright. Cackling Karens need to lay their eggs somewhere else.
@DogStew, this is just so articulate that i have no choice but to agree or go about my life as a karen. It wouldn't make sense for any other possibility after listening to such gracefully wisdom