right up until the end
Looking past multiple studies to find the one that agrees with you is not research.
@MrTuxPenguin, scientists are just as susceptible to group-think/tunnel vision as anyone else. Dismissing an outlier study because it is an outlier is bad research.
@Hot Coffee, Read your comment again (just the first half) and think how it may apply to you.
Those ‘outlier’ studies aren’t even on the map bro.
@Hot Coffee, as I've said before, this exact same reason is what held back understanding of malaria. The consensus theory was that it was spread by the dirt. Turns out a couple of renegade scientists found the mosquito link. The outliers were infact the correct ones.
@Mag3rPayne, how often are the outliers correct?
@LyricTerror, every time there’s a shift in theory in a given field. The idea of the atom as the base unit of chemistry, the cellular theory of the brain, hand washing, to name a few, the list is very long.
@Hot Coffee, I'm asking for a specific percentage.
@LyricTerror, unquantifiable. Since you'd include every question asked in the pursuit of knowledge.
Covid has been politicised to high hell. Every thing with it is spoke in bad faith to pitch brother on brother. What is happening right now is simple.
Big Pharma was given no bid contracts to make a vaccine for a virus. The new tech doesn't inoculate people from the virus, it only stops their food source. As the virus multiplies it's evolving with a strain that doesn't eat that specific spike protein.
So in three years, give or take, the same virus will be floating around. Not caused by the end vaccinated, but cause by evolutionary biology.
So the same dog and pony show will start back up.
All while the goverment hands your tax dollars into the most unethical players in the market.
If I need to remind you, Johnson&Johnson is the exact same Corporation that made baby powder with asbestos in it. Giving women ovarian cancer.
I could post more but I don't know if it'd be worth it.
@That one lurker, you're refreshingly knowledgeable and realistic on this.
What's your thoughts on the covid pill I mentioned below? It was so successful they stopped testing to give it to the placebo group because it was otherwise unethical to deny them the medicine. A lot quicker of a way to change whatever is needed to fight the next strain. Hell, maybe they'll be able to make one for influenza, as well. The vaccine hesitant will have a better option.
@LyricTerror, the last I've heard of the Pfizer pills was twice a day, with no end in sight.
If that's changed then good.
The problem at hand is still the problem with the constent authoritarian pushes.
Think about it in this way, and I hope this is not who's viewed as fear-mongering. The goverment should not be allowed to mandate a new drug on the market. With no knowledge of ten to twenty years down the line. Safety concerns aside, what if the medicine has a bad side effect?
For instance, since you've been paying attention, you know about Ivermectin. A parasite medicine that's used for some heart conditions.
To relevance, the media came out with hitpiece after hitpiece specifically targeting Ivermectin. Trying to discredit in the harshest terms. Even going so far as to falsely claim that it causes infertility.
The reason for reference, Ivermectin has been a common treatment for parasites in Africa. Specifically river blindness.
The story's are not true, but think of the prospects.
@That one lurker, the Jacobson v Massachusetts ruling states that the government cannot push mandates, but states can do so at their choosing. Same with businesses.
@LyricTerror, so this is what I found.
It's 29 pages, and the Supreme Court upheld the lower Court's decision. The interesting thing comes in the synopsis. Particularly the fifth and ninth paragraph respectively.
The main point of contention is found in a few places.
The fact that Jacobson is fighting against a law that was passed in Massachusetts. Not a governor executive order. Laws went through several layers of processes, while what's happening is a decree by the governor.
@LyricTerror, the pill is a protease inhibitors, which is the same thing ivermectin does. Last I looked they are selling the pills to the feds for 40x it's manufacturing costs. They discredited the cheap ivermectin to make a new pill that does the same thing but way more profitable.
@Mag3rPayne, and if it's mandated to be free to everyone just like the vaccines, no one will have to worry about the price.
If blindly trusting the science is the alternative, I'll take "doing my own research" any day.
@Mag3rPayne, it'd called continuous clinical trials that repeat the same conclusion no matter the variants involved. If you're doing that, then yes you're doing your own research. If you're simply googling up things that agree with your bias beliefs, that's not research. This is as simple as I can put it, and I don't have crayons on me for those that don't. The downvoters to this comment also failed grade school science and hate the truth because facts hurt their feelings.
@Mag3rPayne, if you are blindly trusting bc science… you missed the point of science.
If you believe a large group of people who have dedicated their lives to understanding a subject and are sufficiently separate in their interests (this requires understanding the system that incentivized them) that they have not been compromised…. Well that’s just saving yourself the time of running a 3,000 participant study out of your backyard.
@Canis Arktos, I’ll trust people who have dedicated their lives to the subject more than people like you who barely spend any time doing research.
@SlayerScythe, I literally spent 2 years in a lab studying light harvesting Nanotubes….I know that those aren’t viruses but no ones perfect amiright?
"If you believe a large group of people who have dedicated their lives to understanding a subject and are sufficiently separates in their interests that they have not been compromised..."
Bro, you can't just put all the periods at the end, mix them around in there. Make what your saying legible. It's to a point that I can't tell if this is a scathing dismisle or a tacit agreement.
I'm sh@t at punctuation, but at least I try.
A quick search will tell you that US congress and other politicians have stocks in these pharmaceutical and vaccine companies. Then they mandate(FORCE) people to take it and reap the profits. All while you and your family deal with the adverse side effects due to a "vaccine" that hasn't even finished trials.
@The Great Skele, career politicians with special interests
@The Great Skele, I was working on old data and needed to update. Never before did pharma profit off of vaccines, so that was quite a surprise to see the shift and that's... scary. From 2005 to at least 2016 we were seeing pharm companies move away from vaccines.
my first thing is... so what? so what if profits are involved? if I worked hard on developing a medicine I expect to be paid for it.
Second, the problem isn't pharm companies profiting, it's that they can continue to profit at outrageous prices without regulation. We need to do it as it's done in Europe, where companies are allowed a certain time limit to profit enough to gain back the money it costs to develop the medicine and pay the developers/scientists. Then, they have to offer it at a highly discounted price. We don't have that in America, and while it's not going to solve all the problems, it's a big start and ending things like $700 epi pens and $1300 insulin shots. That's just evil.
@LyricTerror, wrong, they are only gaining. The research and development of the covid vaccines were funded by taxpayers. Not the pharma companies. So in fact it is only profit. The pills are also another money maker, like the increases in clot drugs. Ask billy gates how much he enjoys the 20x returns on his investments into vaccines. I want the vaccines to be successful but I also want people's liberties to be respected. I don't see the vaccine as beneficial to me at all, as i went through covid minimally effected by it, yet I am being forced to take it as a federal employee, to make up some of the cost the government spent on the vaccines.
Third, just because companies profit doesn't mean the medicine isn't safe. I mentioned two highly overpriced medicines above that are literal lifesavers.
@Mag3rPayne, you're correct and I've corrected myself.
Profits still doesn't mean a medicine isn't safe. Also, there's a pill coming out that is working so well against covid that they had to stop the testing because the data concluded that it would be unethical to give only placebos to the placebo group. That's excellent news! An alternative to the vaccines for those hesitant.
Where we disagree is just because it was mild for you doesn't make it mild for me or your neighbor or the grocery store worker, etc. We do vaccines and medicine for the whole of the community and to protect those who can't, it's just an added bonus that it's for personal protection. This is something Americans can't seem to grasp anymore. Y'all can downvote that all you want, it won't change the facts.
No one is being forced. Everyone has a choice. Jobs have the right to fire anyone who refuses to vaccinate and there's plenty of jobs not mandating it. The whining can stop now.
@LyricTerror, I would also agree that they take advantage of us in the US, we were buying cheaper drugs from other countries under Trump, but Biden slashed trumps EOs right off the bat. Including the one for lowered insulin.
@Mag3rPayne, that's why I hate Biden.
@LyricTerror, I do have a choice that is correct, comply or suffer. If I were to leave my job for another as the single income owner of my family, more suffer than just myself. I am taking precautions though, getting a health screening before my Jansen 💉 so any change in my health can't be blamed on something else. If I am one of the unlucky ones who have a serious adverse event my family is left even worse.
@Mag3rPayne, they're giving you the Johnson and Johnson one? Why? That would be my last choice. Studies show Moderna is most effective.
@LyricTerror, because I don't give a flying fudge about effectiveness. I getting one shot and getting it over with. I'm not scared of getting covid again, barely effected me last time. I'm only doing it due to the mandate.
@Mag3rPayne, cool beans.
This is why you don’t eat in the lab.
@Canis Arktos, isn't an accidental eating in a lab is how they discovered aspartame?