Richard Dawkins, for anyone that doesn't know,
he coined the word meme.
@DaddyWurzel, and writes brilliantly about evolutionary biology, awfully disdainfully about philosophy (before engaging in it (poorly) himself without a hint of irony), and enjoys posting controversial tweets like this one regarding rape victims: "If you want to be in a position to testify & jail a man, don't get drunk."
@Handless Juggler , taken a bit out of context
"Of course that's your right. But don't expect a jury to take your word against his if you can't remember what happened."
@DaddyWurzel, that was his reply to someone who replied to *that* tweet, wasn't it?
The context of his initial text was important, I agree! The literal text could have been used to comment on the awful state of the justice system as it currently is. But from the context we can pick up he was essentially telling rape victims that they are partly responsible for their assault if they were drunk.
@Handless Juggler , I didn't get that meaning from it, I guess it's hard to explain everything in 140 characters.
But he is misunderstood a lot,
like this one:
Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think.
@DaddyWurzel, haha yeah! I think he just loves causing controversy.
@DaddyWurzel, e.g. saying we should abort fetuses with Down's syndrome.
@Handless Juggler , I'm sure foetuses have been aborted for many reasons.
Are you saying no woman should ever have an abortion?
@DaddyWurzel, nope, I said I think he loves causing controversy. Are you on the lookout for a debate? If so, heated or dispassionate?
@Handless Juggler , no, it was just a question.
I know it can be difficult to judge from text.
@DaddyWurzel, okay! Well, I'm all in favour of abortion, but that particular tweet wasn't about women's liberty. He wasn't saying "Do what you want, it's your body." He was saying "If it has Down's, abort it." He was prescribing, not permitting. Does that make sense?
@Handless Juggler , yes.
I found it a bit harsh, but that's my opinion.
I'm sure he wouldn't say children with Down's syndrome should be killed.
It's his opinion, I don't agree, but I can't say he is wrong for thinking that way.
@DaddyWurzel, that phrase makes me curious! What else is there to disagreement other than thinking the other person is wrong?
@Handless Juggler , well, sometimes there is no wrong or right I guess.
One generations right might be perfectly acceptable another.
hey I think blue is the best colour.
I think green is much better.
Neither one is wrong.
I don't like hunting,
but I can't say that someone that does like hunting is wrong to think that way.
I just come here to ramble,
because I'd get on my wife's nerves otherwise.
@DaddyWurzel, ah, I see. I suppose my intuition is that there are right and wrong answers when it comes to morality, but in matters of personal taste like colour preferences I lose the intuition that there is real disagreement. But there are loads of papers on this, and that's a big can of worms!
I hope Mummy Wurzel's okay.
@Handless Juggler , even morality will change over time.
Things that are acceptable now might me frowned upon 100 years from now.
Or the other way round.
Unfortunately she's not a wurzel yet, but I'm working on it.
@DaddyWurzel, certainly things that are *accepted* change, but what's truly okay or not okay I don't think changes. E.g. If it turns out utilitarianism is true, I think it was and will always be true. I find it weird to think that we should maximise happiness now, but in the past or in the future we should not maximise happiness.
Of course, circumstances do change! So what maximises happiness now might be different than what it was. But that's okay. Different inputs to the same moral laws may give different outputs.
@Handless Juggler , I've seen a lot of things change in my time on earth (37 years)
But it wasn't long before that when it was perfectly acceptable to jail someone for being gay.
Now I'm thinking of it, I'm sure it's sill a crime punishable by death in some countries now.
@DaddyWurzel, yeah, I'm kind of making a distinction between what's accepted and what's acceptable. I don't think it's acceptable to kill people for their sexuality, even if that practice is accepted.
@Handless Juggler , it's like how most people think it's unacceptable to wear crocs, but I wear them everyday...
@DaddyWurzel, you really are a dad!
@Handless Juggler , it happens so slowly you don't even notice
*waits for idiot racist to comment*
@Skateboarding Hippie, why it gotta be a black shirt
@Skateboarding Hippie, I'm only one of those things
@Michael Fassbender, me too. A comment right?
@the one who creeps, well I hate blacks so...
@Michael Fassbender, I don't hate black people at all. I just hate njggers.
@SirLordKraftDinner, this is true, but I hate every last Jew
@Skateboarding Hippie, "All I'm saying is that they're a lesser race!"
This white guy: *starts to freely through the word n!gga around*
@Taquito Speedo, *throw
@Taquito Speedo, this white guy when he gets his shjt rocked: I was the victim of a hate crime!
No we are all children of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"We are all children of Africa"
Evolutionarily speaking, every single human has African origins
Since the first humans apparently developed in Africa and spread from there... he might not be wrong...
Tsamina mina eh eh
Waka waka eh eh
Well..jesus was also black.
@CallMeZan, he was middle eastern
@Michael Fassbender, Yeah, I don't get how every single depiction of him in the western world is white
@K1lgore, because almost every event in Christianity occurred in the western world. It also can't be ignored that people back then didn't know about diversity.
@K1lgore, wishful thinking mainly.
@Michael Fassbender, Good point, but now that means everyone thinks he was white. Even those who do know feel too special to be historically accurate.
@K1lgore, there's worse beliefs than a dude being white
@Michael Fassbender, *cough* the entire religion *cough*
@K1lgore, all organized religion
@Michael Fassbender, even the pastafarians?
@DaddyWurzel, is there organization to that religion?
@Michael Fassbender, we do try and organize it the best we can
@DaddyWurzel, well then yeah I guess, idk much about that, isn't it just a joke
@Michael Fassbender, no more a joke than any other religion.
I'm actually an ordained minister.
@DaddyWurzel, really the only religion that I don't see as having negative is Buddhism because it teaches (at the consent of its subjects) universal humanism.
@Michael Fassbender, the quakers aren't too bad either