Somewhere along the lines having any proud heritage that is Anglo/European/Scandinavian became inherently racist
@Medic135, being proud of your heritage is okay, using your heritage as a reason to feel superior is not okay, white pride became a bad thing when the meaning of the word was used more often by bad people, it's like the word "negro" it used to be neutral but after it was used more often by slave owners or with the intent to shame someone it became a bad word
@EddySteady, I think all races have something to be proud of above others, that's the point of pride. We all have something that makes us what we are and better at it than others were
Except them damg ching chongs 🤔
@Medic135, somewhere along the line, the left decided they could get more votes by stoking racual tensions back to full swing like they tried to stoke a cold war with Canada in Canadian bacon. Except it worked.
@Medic135, thanks Hitler 🙄
@Dephenistrator, words and phrases take on meaning based on who uses them, and the purpose they use them for.
White pride/power was appropriated by a number of hate groups for the express purpose of communicating racial superiority.
There’s no conspiracy here, just a bunch of hate filled people bastardizing a phrase, and creating a new definition.
@Medic135, idk, I see “irish pride” and “itallian pride” stuff all the time in the US. But that’s never perceived as racist.
However, I feel like “white pride” is considered racist because the term was used by many hate groups like the KKK to make themselves sound superior. And keep in mind that those movements were fairly recent in history. “White pride” was a racist movement in the 1900s, so it makes sense that it has a negative connotation.
On the flipside, “black pride” was a necessary anti-racism movement during that same time period and it led to a positive outcome to where it led to racial equality. So, it has a more positive connotation. Sure, it was also used by black racists in an anti-white way, but the majority used to put black people in a positive light. Whereas the majority of people used “white pride/white power” to put minorities down.
@A Blunt Object, there are so few kkk that the entire FBI calculated number of them were to sit in a stadium it wouldn't even equate to a single WNBA game on a low day. That's across the whole country not a single city. The amount of white supremacists, especially new young ones, is very very small. We have over 300 million people in this country and there's less than seven thousand. That's 0.002333% of the country's population. While I wish the number was zero, this isn't anywhere arguably close to people still using white pride words for hate. There's no bunch of hate filled people bastardizing the definition anymore, hell only the politiciansuse it as straw man arguments. That was over half a century ago. The world changed since then. Any effort like this definition is a straw man for political purposes to lie that white racism is still thriving. It's not. White racism is a rare fossil.
@Medic135, there's a very distinct difference between saying you're proud of being Irish vs white pride. A lot of African Americans say "black pride" because they don't know what part of Africa they came from, since the slave owners abolished that part of their identity so that's all they really have as far as ethnic identity
@Dephenistrator, I don’t think you understand the context of my comment. Medic said that somewhere along the lines “white pride” became racist. I was just explaining where that happened.
Im not saying whether it is right or wrong, that’s how it is.
And even though it was half a century ago, words/phrases take a very long time to change meaning after it meant something so strongly for such a period of time.
Plus, before that time, racial pride didn’t really exist as a cultural movement.
The term Black pride started basically as a “we’re people too” movement. The term White pride was widely used in a movement that wanted whites to be superior.
And in the context of how words and phrases change meaning, half a century is a pretty short span of time.
Lastly, I never said racism is still a major thing today in America. It really isn’t. But the several decades when white pride meant something hateful has sadly, dirtied the term and it will take a while for that to wear off
@K1l, I have to disagree to a point, whereas I'm not saying blacks should not be proud "Black Pride" became synonymous with "Black Power" used by the Black panthers and other extreme racial groups. Same coin from a different side
@Medic135, my argument to that is black power/pride was mostly used in the equality movement. White power/pride was mostly used in the anti-equality movement. Both were used in different types of contexts, but in terms of what they were mainly used as, white pride was racist, black pride was anti-racist.
To sum up all my comments: white pride/power is seen as racist because it’s main use was in a racist movement, black pride/power is not seen as racist because it’s main use was in an equality movement. Both can be changed and used by different groups, but they were mostly used in the ways I explained.
The alternative that people use to “white pride” is to more specific white heritages like “italian pride” and “irish pride”. Nobody claims that those are racist because they weren’t used in any sort of racial context, they were just used to describe heritage.
Black pride is more of a heritage thing than a race thing, similarly to irish and italian pride. Jouze’s comment explainsthis
@K1l, so if I just happen to be born white I isolated and cannot have pride in my heritage because others will judge me by my cover and presume I'm racist and literally any other color is an exception to this ideology? Screw what most people think. If they are going to hate me when I am peaceful in every way then they are this era's racist haters. All of these things meant extremely different things then they do today. The fifties and sixties isn't recent enough, race relations have shifted dramatically every decade since and hate has spread to completely different corners. Old values aren't relevant in the slightest anymore.
I feel like saying something like “Sottish/Irish/Slavic/etc. pride” would make more sense, cuz pride is typically associated in culture than skin tone. That’s why stuff like “gay pride” or “black pride” is more accepted, cuz they imply culture. That being said, I still feel like that term has more negative stigma than necessary. I’m open different interpretations tho
@coo111, I think the term has negative connotations due to the people that use it, and the meaning they imply. If the term is used by a hate group primarily that’s what it gets associated with.
I agree with your cultural assessment though, as I don’t think anyone has an issue with Irish pride on St. Patrick’s Day.
@coo111, i think you contradicted yourself since black pride is by skin and their are many countries with predominantly black skinned people who I'm sure have their own cultures.
@Dephenistrator, I think that the term “black pride” would make more sense if it was “African-American pride” since most people usually only evoke term pertaining to black people in America. I still think it’s dumb when people use “black pride” to talk about a race, in the same way people use “white pride” and that it makes more sense for people of a culture feeling pride in their culture, rather than just their race and skin tone
Why not just be proud of who you are not who the people before you were.
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