Just another example of what happens when we forget the past. Vaccines were a godsend when they were made. Flash forward 50 years and ppl forget why we do it. We don’t know anyone who died from this stuff so it MUST be a lie. I’m all for progress, learning to do better, and question the man but there is also a reason why we did shjt for so long. There’s too many examples and I’m drunk and don’t want to be too inflammatory but I mean god damn ppl.
@nepheal, you type exceptionally well for someone who's drunk
@MrPrez, lots of practice
@nepheal, good news: no one would end up in an iron lung.
Bad news: we use other forms of life support which are more efficient, but physically horrific
For me who has an older autistic brother I will forever despise this woman. Her shear stupidity in causing this unnecessary debate about vaccines because she couldn’t accept her own son being autistic and that presently there is no scientific conclusion as to what causes it is set this world on fire. Don’t get me wrong I understand the parents are at fault as well for believing this but she goes and references one doctor for his whacked their and look where are now.
To be fair I would totally impregnate her. Especially since child support wouldn’t last
*alarm blares* Hot Button topic post! Move along back to the funny!
I'm actually ok with that first reason for not vaccinating your kids. Let's watch the world burn together, Jenny.
Jenny? More like Karen?
@The Flame War, in this case, she is basically the one that started all this bullshjt.
@The Flame War, Jenny MCarthy is an ex Playboy boob model/published author. Her books have topics ranging from "why I'm a slut", "how to cook", "romantic fiction", "why we're all sluts", and "how to prevent autism".
In the autism book she targets vaccines as a cause for autism. And unfortunately, since sex can sell anything, her giant tiddies and hairless minge very well may be the catalyst that once again gives disease the advantage over humanity.
Wow. Sesame Street hu? This feels weird cuz I’ve seen her pussy.
1. If a disease is eradicated, how can it come back?
2. Antibiotics make Bacteria stronger. Maybe vaccines do the same thing..
3. Possibly, the big companies that run everything reintroduce illnesses so they can sell the same shjt for longer, because, if their stuff actually worked 100% they couldn't sell any more.
4. I'm just provoking thought, I vaccinated all 5 of my kids, and only 3 are definitely autistic, so what do I know
@TheMightyImp, Thank you for your questions, here are some answers:
1) When we say we have “eradicated” a disease, that means we have had no cases of that disease reported for x-amount of time. The diseases are still out there, they can adapt and mutate to survive. When people don’t vaccinate, they put themselves at risk for being infected. If enough people are not vaccinated (5-10%), then herd immunity can be compromised because there is a large enough degree of uncertainty where the virus/disease can mutate and infect those who did vaccinate, which also renders the vaccine and cure to the current strain useless.
2) bacteria and viruses are two different things biologically. Viral cells are much more predictable and rely on the host for survival. The reason why the flu shot is as prone as it is to failing is because bacteria mutate exponentially faster than virus cells due to their much more complicated cellular make up.
3) I love a good conspiracy but frankly this is not the case
Vaccines that work 100% of the time and only needing one vaccine for the rest of a lineage is impossible due to possible mutations in a virus. Everyone needs to be vaccinated, and there are much more profitable, less predictable infections and diseases to make than ones that have been deemed eradicated for years. It would in fact be easier and more profitable for a morally broke pharmaceutical company to invent a new disease from scratch, invent a cure, infect a large amount of people with it to warrant demand, and sell a cure, than to spread enough misinformation to get enough people not to vaccinate to bring an old disease back to then sell a cure which can account for possible mutations since it has resurfaced. I hope I’ve answered your questions sufficiently. Have a nice day!
I thought the first round of these were funny but now it's just kinda mean. I know people who don't vaccinate...I can see both sides of the coin. Can we just agree to disagree now?
@Xelric, not trying to be mean on this one but I don't want anyone in my family to end up in an iron lung for the rest of their lives even if they take all the precautions they can so no, we cannot agree to disagree.
@Xelric, there is no agreement except get your kids vaccinated.
@Xelric, to agree to disagree is to let the world suffer from diseases eradicated decades ago. Vaccines are one of the greatest advancements our society has made. The only reason people can provide to not accept them is either ignorance, stupidity, or both. Neither of them should be accepted. There is no other side to the coin. There is only the preventable deaths of millions.
@Xelric, Tell those anti-vax fvckers to kill themselves.
@Xelric, well yes, but actually no. There are no downsides to vaccines. Anti vaxxers are idiots.
@The Freaking FBI, since you are a branch of a “democratic” government, should anti-vaxxers have the right to vote?
@SirLordKraftDinner, their kids won’t vote so why should they.
@Xelric, careful. You're being too rational about this, and the internet does not take kindly to that.
I personally am astounded at how blindly people immediately dogmatically respond to even the inkling that someone might be considering the possibility of not vaccinating a child.
@Xelric, except for you know, all the old diseases outbreaks again, and that the godamm Frogs reintroduced measles to Costa Rica after vaccines erradicated it
@Doctor Yak, buddy, I've seen people die because of this stuff, most people havent, and I hope to the gods they never do.
@Xelric, yeah no, we cannot agree to disagree about polio returning and crippling my future generations
@Doctor Yak, I think your medical license should be revoked now
@The Last Roman, I just think it's hilarious that as soon as someone even seems like they're entertaining the idea that it might be ok for some people to choose not to vaccinate a child people on the internet start downvoting and commenting with their herd mentality... I mean immunity, and "these were literally eradicated until now" and all the other tenets of the new scientific religion's doctrine. Don't forget climate change is definitely 100% human caused and CO2 emissions are literally the devil. And if you're against the technocracy then you don't deserve to be able to survive, you fvcking heretic.
@Medic135, fun fact, for decades the only cause of polio in the United States was actually the polio vaccine. That particular vaccine was used up until the late 80's or early 90's, I'm fairly sure, and would not be surprised at all if they are still using those vaccines in developing countries around the world.
@Doctor Yak, except Coasta Rica did have it eradicated, Climate change does exist, ya got me there. If CO2 emissions are the devil, then you should stop breathing because engines emit Carbon Monoxide not Dioxide. And by the gods, next person who calls me a heretic or hypocrite in a non-sarcastic way, I will find you
@The Last Roman, sorry, I wasn't directing that at you. I meant to be pointing out the hypocrisy of people that dogmatically shout down anyone with a thought that differs from what their god of Science has deemed appropriate.
Your points weren't dogma, so as far as I'm concerned you're one of the good ones.
@Doctor Yak, your fun fact proves the effectiveness of vaccines because yes while its very low there is a chance of vaccines failing but that was the only cause of polio because it prevented the disease in everyone else
@Doctor Yak, my bad for assuming, and thank you kind sir, I shall no longer bother you
@Doctor Yak, Fun fact, you’re being disingenuous, and while I’m all for debate, I won’t allow for false statements on this very serious and heavily scientifically supported issue to be made. The CDC says as of 1979, zero cases of polio have originated from the United States, meaning only people who have come to the US with polio would infect others. Even then its incredibly rare, as of 2005 only 4 people who reside in the United States have been reported to have contracted polio from vaccines which compromised their immune system (these vaccines came from places like India, NOT US). Please, do not give antivaxers a platform because they have already led to the infections and deaths of many. Please go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and look up Polio and Vaccine-derived Poliovirus. We need you with us and not against us. There are so many reasons why this is a one-sided debate, as it should be.
@Doctor Yak, @Xelric, As a friendly reminder, the World Health Organization has named vaccine deniers as the #10 health risk towards humans. Please know this debate is one-sided for a reason. The only reason not to vaccinate is if your kid is allergic to any component of the vaccine. Period.
@thetkmaster , Anyone wanting to not vaccinate their kids should be put in to isolation and infected with everything they’re refusing to vaccinate against.
If they survive and still don’t want to vaccinate their kids, we take the kids away and have them adopted.
@The Freaking FBI, Idiots who were probably fully vaccinated as kids.
@Doctor Yak, because vaccines are good and diseases are bad. One of the few things in life that cut and dry.
@Xelric, the thing is, there's no "sides" to this, especially when those who don't vaccinate threaten the lives of those I know personally because they believe in a conspiracy that was initially started by Nazi propaganda during WW2.
ETA: that goes for the majority of conspiracies. The one thing they all have in common is that us Jews are evil, scheming murderers that want to take over the world. we're "they". We're the "Zionists". The majority of anti-vaxxers have anti-Semitic views and some even deny the holocaust happened.
@Doctor Yak, to be fair, I made my conclusion based on my own research and only fight because it isnt one person at risk but everybody no matter who chooses not to. Also, global warming isn't 100 human caused but it is like 99% and you can tell by the ton of co2 deposits in the soil compaired to soil before the industrial revolution (which in comparison is 5× more than the average per year of of the last great extinction caused by global warming)
@airguitarpro, honestly, I'm pro- vaccines, but I really don't like the idea of not allowing someone to speak, even if they're wrong or saying things that are "dangerous" or whatever. If it's a bad idea, it won't stand up by its own merits, and if someone refuses to accept it that's their prerogative. But when someone has a dissident idea and they are met with insults rather than taken seriously and refuted specifically they are unlikely to want to engage in further discussions and change their mind. It comes across as people following a dogma that requires them to belittle anyone that disagrees.
I also don't like the idea of forcing people to do anything, regardless of whether or not it's a good thing to do. I realize vaccines, or rather the lack thereof, have a widespread effect, but a person's right to self-determination trumps that to me.
I appreciate you correcting me on that bit about the polio vaccines though.
@Doctor Yak, I can respect the rights to freedom of speech, but I do not believe it is fair to call thousands of peer reviewed and heavily replicated scientific papers “dogma” even if some supporters get aggressive and insult antivaxers with personal attacks. The term “dogma” to me implies an article of faith or belief which is strictly adhered to, which is not what hard science and fact are. In fact, antivaxers are unfortunately a group of individuals who are either scientifically illiterate or purposely ignorant and disingenuous towards the facts around vaccines. This makes it frustrating to “debate” them as real facts aren’t something they are looking for or acknowledge. They are a prime group to label as anti-intellectual, and unlike flat-earthers, their ignorance is hurting many people as well as themselves.
@airguitarpro, I call it dogma because most people have not actually read those peer-reviewed articles and studies, but instead just repeat the mantra they've been fed by the media and/or their teachers or something. I use the term dogma specifically because it's supposed to imply faith and religion, because people immediately dog-piling on an anti-vaxxer looks exactly the same as religious people dog-piling the infidels. It's so often way more aggressive and hateful than is even reasonable, in my opinion. I realize it's a complex, far-reaching issue that does affect human lives, but I refuse to believe in some "greater good" unless that "greater good" is the preservation of individualism. I'd rather have a billion people die than force someone to do something to their body that they don't want to have done, even if they don't have any good reason.
edit: btw, this is not in any way directed at you.
@Doctor Yak, l see. That is noble of you to want to preserve the right of an individual’s choice, but what about the others who are affected by that person’s choice? Are they not individuals with their own desires to vaccinate and live? If they die because herd immunity is being compromised due to the anti-vax movement in the name of preservation of rights, are we not then forsaking the lives of those who did vaccinate and their rights to life? Unfortunately, it is impossible to truly give complete freedom of expression to one side in this case without also hypocritically stomping on the other side’s rights. The difference here is that the right to life supersedes the right to choice and expression. Much in the same way I cannot murder my neighbor because I disagree with him on some matters, we should not allow anti-vaxers to hurt and cause the deaths of innocent people because they feel a certain way (which may I emphasize has been proven time and again to be completely incorrect).
@Doctor Yak, I understand that the language used to describe anti-vaxers has been lackluster in terms of promoting conversation, but it is important to know why people have such a short fuse with this movement. Most anti-vaxers are aware of the myriad of scientific data and research out there but will dismiss it by saying things to the extent of, “that’s what big pharma wants you to think.” Most aren’t looking to be educated or learn why they might just be wrong, they are empowered in ignorance and feel they are protecting their kids from a secret global conspiracy. Since they are not willing to listen to facts or other information besides their own hearsay, they are treated as trolls, because their platform is, for lack of a better term, complete garbage, so their movement is treated as such.
@airguitarpro, I can respect the desire to protect innocent lives, and that is a big part of why I do believe people ought to vaccinate.
In the end, I think what this boils down to for me is that I am very against authoritarian policies and ideologies, which is exactly what forced vaccination is, and that often seems to be the direction people are pushing, which honestly scares me a lot.
“Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised sincerely for the benefit of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under the omnipotent moral busybodies." - C.S. Lewis
I appreciate the conversation I've had with you regarding this stuff. It's been nice to hear some solid reasoning from a rational person rather than just buzzwords for a change.
None of these diseases (besides hiv) are hundreds of years old tho
She should just go back to squirting mustard on hotdogs while looking all sexy and stuff
I’m just an idiot with fake tits