We live in a very stupid time y'all
@NotSpam, so it would seem.....
@NotSpam, Clown world press ‘honk’ to pay respects
@Pachirisu, you beat me to the joke! Well done… well done Pachirisu… you the man!
@seeUpee, did you just assume his gender?
@tbsrk, did you refer to their possessive as 'his'?
@Pachirisu, this is blown out of proportion & the joke doesn't fit technically..
She didn't dominate everything, & barely qualified with the finalists. Until they change the rules to exclude anyone not naturally born a woman - people need to chill the frell out... She followed the rules in place, that's all that matters.
@Kino, so if the rules allow me to kill people is it ok? She sets womens records for various competitions at almost every competition. That’s pretty dominant considering she’s competing against Olympic medalists in many of them.
@BigJohnson86, she finished 3rd in the same events as a man against men… and 8th as a women against women. Sounds pretty equitable.
Edit: those were numbers I heard in passing. Real ranks are 32 as a man, and 3rd as a women. But the point is she was a damn good swimmer as a man. So it makes sense that she’s be a good swimmer as a women
@CHEisme, no one is arguing that they're good at swimming. The argument is that it's essentially a man competing against women and generally men will be faster and stronger than women. Lia Thompson couldn't hack it as a male swimmer so they gamed the system and competed against weaker opponents to come out on top. These girls trained so hard for so long only to have their victory taken away because Lia decided they felt like a woman. It's unfair to them, just like it would be unfair to have a trans man compete against biological men. They wouldn't stand a chance. The only *fair* solution I see is two new categories for trans men and women but there probably aren't enough athletes and even if there were most people wouldn't watch.
@CHEisme, she went from taking second among the Ivys (8 schools) to being a national champion (200)- one second is the difference between 1st and 2nd in swimming… the idea that her male body didn’t have any advantage is ludicrous. She went from being a good swimmer to the best in the country! In two seasons! That doesn’t happen!
@stevebons, oh her body absolutely makes a difference. But so does her muscle suppressing drugs. Michael Phelps freak body (wingspan a foot longer than his height and size 17 feet) helped him too. I get that all this is new territory. But I don’t think outrage and exclusion is the answer. If she was just “juwanna Mann” ing this with a wig… I’d be down for the ban. But she’s taking the meds. Living the life. This is not a stunt for a competitive advantage. This is her life. And it’s just college swimming. It doesn’t really matter.
@18bluecat, the situation you’re imagining is unfair. And I’d agree with you in that instance. Except it’s not reality. She’s not doing this for a competitive advantage. This is her life. She’s been taking the drugs for 3 years. Imagine completely altering your body for a NCAA swimming title.
@18bluecat, she is not a man - don't refer to her as one. Also, see @CHEisme 's comments
@Kino, I never did. I used they literally every time.
@CHEisme, thank you for this. The drugs have to be considered here.
I'm a trans woman, married, a veteran, & a community member for years here. I've lost so much muscle mass since starting hormone therapy, more with the intense downtime after surgeries.
The facts are that people are taking the situation out of context, getting mad at someone who followed the rules, & are now targeting youth who just want to play sports with those they feel most aligned with - not to 'game a system'. We deserve love and acceptance just like any other person.
You literally said "it's essentially a man competing against women" which is wrong, and not subtly tries to ignore her identity.
@Kino, Remove all identites. It's a man's body against women's bodies. I was not talking about the person in the body, I was talking about the body itself. Hence the use of 'essentially.' I was boiling it down to the core to avoid discussions like this.
@CHEisme, I feel like saying “its just college swimming. It doesn’t really matter” acknowledges that it’s unfair. Why make something unfair for everyone? I mean athletes devote their lives to be a national champion….it should be fair….
@stevebons, I’m implying this is a situation the world of sports is currently unprepared to handle. Let us test things out with college swimming. Let us find out how long it takes to go from “transitioning” to “transitioned”. Let us figure out what it takes to find a consensus for fair, before we got to the Olympics, or the professional level.
@CHEisme, why can’t we figure that out before we let transgender people on womens teams? Now if they up the dosage it’s unfair to every other transgender athlete who pursues a national championship
@stevebons, how would we figure it out if we don’t let it happen?
@CHEisme, and what if there’s no way to make it fair? Do we just keep letting it happen anyway?
@stevebons, I believe we’ll get close enough.
flashing back to peter griffin driving the boston marathon
The rules have changed…
This is literally why the phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game" exists. Lia Thompson has done nothing wrong. She followed all the rules set before her to have her eligible to compete. If that still doesn't seem fair to you, that's fine. It's a tricky situation, so it's perfectly fine to disagree. But take your complaints up with the NCAA. Don't throw your hate at a young person who is already struggling with the adversity of being trans, just because you don't like the decisions made by the ruling body.
@StoneFarb, He shouldn't be allowed to compete with women, it's not complicated
@Redzone, ok but NCAA says it's ok. So if you're mad, you're mad at the NCAA. Being transphobic isn't helping the women being put in an unfair competition.
@StoneFarb, oh no I'm transphobic, anyways
@StoneFarb, wow, all the downvotes! I guess blaming the system at fault is simply too much to ask, it's much easier to just be bigoted.
@StoneFarb, I don’t think that’s fair to call anyone that, especially people you don’t know! I think people have a problem with when he decided to be trans, conveniently after getting his ass kicked as a male in swimming. Also, he was born a male, and still has the genetic makeup and strength of a male. How do you not see a problem with a male competing against females and torching them every time he races? It’s okay if you don’t, that’s what makes the world great, is we can all have our own opinions. But I think throwing that B word around so carelessly is a bit immature and irresponsible of you! Good day
@celtics313131, that fact that you could even think that someone "decides" to be trans is a very good snapshot of your narrow mindedness.
@StoneFarb, well, like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people think you are ignorant for your beliefs and you think I’m narrow minded for mine. I’m sorry you couldn’t change my mind today. Good luck with others. Have a nice day.
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"Cyclist" will do here. Unless they are bisexual, and then bicyclist may be more appropriate after all
The evolution of the ol' "I identify as an Apache helicopter" meme