Issues facing Australia and America too
"Vote for a third party"
"No way, it's a waste of a vote, they're not going to win"
@blind, elections have turned into a game of vote for who you think will win. Even when the vote is between a giant douche and a shjt sandwich.
@blind, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy
@blind, I'ma vote for Gary Johnson
@blind, DEEZ NUTS 4 PREZ 2K16
@BearDaniels, same here
@blind, The two party system is better than you think. It prevents parties from adopting extreme ideologies. Republicans aren't extreme right and democrats aren't extreme left. The two party system forces them to be somewhere in the middle, because if they're not then they'd lose popularity. Look at countries in Europe, many of which have like half a dozen political parties. Many of those parties adopt extreme political ideologies. Sweden is currently under the control of a party in the extreme left. And now we are seeing the emergence of extreme right parties in many European countries because of the refugee crisis. A two party system forces both parties to compromise. While the compromises may not make everyone happy, they're much better for a nation than having a party in the extreme left or right running the show.
@NotCaveJohnson, turd sanwich good sir :)
@CriTiKa1, Unfortunately the compromises don't occur, both sides just obstruct eachothers agendas and our political system comes to a grinding hault. I think they both adopt the extremes of their respective political ideologies.
@Swagneto, Take a look at political parties in Europe. They have real extreme ideologies. Republicans and democrats are tame compared to them. And the compromises do occur, slowly. Congress was designed to move slowly, because the founding fathers didn't want any legislation to be passed just on a whim. Slow is good. The two party system is not perfect, but it's better than having more parties.
@CriTiKa1, I still haven't heard a good reason for 2. Why not 3, 10, 100?
The two parties are way to similar. There should never be compromises in congress if they're based on principle. The true principled conservative and liberal parties are the Libertarian and Green Party respectively. The Rep. and Dem. parties are just corrupt carcasses of what they should have been. The media has contributed to that greatly.
Because they are the only two mainstream media represented parties , there is not a great incentive for them to evolve. They have a captive audience, metaphorically. The lesser of two evils state of elections is a great example of the systems failure.
@CriTiKa1, Israel has 10 parties.
@NotCaveJohnson, Israel is also being governed by a party in the extreme right which has lead to xenophobic and atrocious policies. The two parties are meant to be similar. A truly conservative or truly liberal government would ruin the nation. That's why the Green and Libertarian parties will never become major parties, they are way too extreme. Every piece of legislature should be a compromise. There should always be compromises. That's the only way we'll get laws that may not make everyone happy, but will satisfy them. A party in the extreme right or left only attracts the few people who are extreme right or left. That's why both of those parties will never gain the support they need to win elections. I will never vote for a third party as long as they adopt extreme ideologies and are unwilling to compromise. The true principled conservative and liberal parties have no place in the government.
@blind, I think I heard... Someone please, if you know, let me know if this is true... That if a third party would get a certain percentage then they would be given certain money from the government that is currently only given to the two parties. Also, it would somehow pressure the system into including this third party in debates. Is this true and if so, what is that magic threshold because this, lesser of two evils thing is getting old. I'm thinking write in right now.
@CriTiKa1, "...true principled... parties have no place in the government"
Well that's just ahistorical. The true conservative party was the reason for this nation in the first place. The republican and democratic parties were principled at one point. They've been bought out, both of them. If you want to support a system that is constantly being competed for by corporations for government favors, go right ahead. Every "compromise" is just another check being written out for political contributions. Principles are immune to corruption, that's why their necessary in government.
@NotCaveJohnson, Compromises are the only way we will get legislation that we're satisfied with. If a Conservative party controls the government, then you'll have policies that cater to them and ignore those who don't agree with their ideology. Same thing with a liberal party. Both extremes are bad. Every extreme is bad. There has to be balance when in the government. If you want to support tyrannical policies go right ahead.
@CriTiKa1, I side with critika1 because he/she is funny pics OG and I haven't read any of the posts.
@CriTiKa1,If fewer to no taxes and more individual freedom are your idea of tyranny then I honestly can't comprehend your level of freedom. So free it hurts.
Tyranny is dictating the artificial price of healthcare, spying on your own citizens, having an unaccountable IRS that steals, having a treasury to continually and intentionally inflate the dollar which lowers the minimum wage and raises prices of goods, declaring war without congressional approval, and politicians issuing arbitrary edicts that infringe on the freedoms of their constituents. If you think libertarian practices are tantamount to tyranny, you seriously don't know what you're talking about. I would probably agree with you about the Green Party though, they are laughably liberal.
@NotCaveJohnson, classical liberalism is defined as striving for liberty and fairness for all, so in those terms I'm very liberal. Democrats by and large don't fit that bill to me, and republicans are even more unpalatable. I just wish we could wipe the slate clean and institute a form of government that actually has the peoples best interest at hand, that's the whole point of an elected official. Btw it's fun talking to you about politics as I'm not overly informed about the topic but thoroughly enjoy learning and discussing it.
@Swagneto, true. I sometimes forget those terms flipped. I agree wholeheartedly. These parties need a serious detox.
Good year for Libertarians. Vote Gary Johnson. Then you'll have two groups of idiots accusing you of throwing away your vote.
@lockke, people should #FeelTheJohnson
@lockke, let him blow a hot load of liberty all over you
@lockke, i threw away my vote on Gary Johnson before it was cool
@lockke, hey yeah
@lockke, Gary Johnson is not really the best libertarian in my opinion, but he's still many times better than the other two. I'd vote for him if I could
@lockke, I feel obligated to say you are right
@Death of the Mailman, well, you're not the best dead mailman in my opinion
@lockke, i couldn't throw away my vote fast enough!
What if held an election, and nobody voted?
@big freedom, it would be the same as a tie. Congress would decide
None of this is good
Hopefully not Trump
@Alpha Warrior, the man literally is a fascist.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, In what sense is trump a fascist? If anything sanders was more of a fascist than trump. (Please don't mistake this for me supporting trump I am just trying to get an idea of where you are coming from.)
@Kliment Voroshilov, the first thing is that out of the candidates trump is the most right wing in policies his fore most ones are xenophobic I.e. building a Wall between the US and Mexico and banning Muslims from entering the US. These are hallmarks of Fascism, right wing nationalism that make foreigners scapegoats , sanders is the most left wing, his policies are largely that of a social democrat. He wants to empower the working classes through laws that enable equity.
@LeafOnTheW1nd, Stopping illegal immigration is hardly xenophobic. This country is built on immigrants, like my family, but we came here legally. Fascism is a largely liberal philosophy which puts the government at the head of people's lives. In the same family as socialism (Democratic or not) and communism. If you truly want to empower the worker stop the unions and government interference. Let the people who do good work get paid what they are worth and let the ones who don't work or don't do quality work stop being a drag on the system.
Pick the lesser of the two evils
@The Tower Of Pimps, or you know any other option. Seriously there's more options and people would rather not vote than vote for anyone else which is the only way to truly waste your vote. Don't let idiots make a decision for you make the decision yourself
@Assassinator2399, Or, ya know, a good ol' fashioned knife to the chest several hundred times works too. You can't vote for dead people.
Gary Johnson for president!! Vote for Liberty
And therefore, everyone else will lose